I am paraphrasing a post by Paul on BDJ...

[DowntownDawg]

....but basically we had some visitors come in this weekend who Paul was asked to not publicly identify, one of which was Paul Crawford, a Defensive End from Texas. Apparently, whoever asked Paul not to identify the kid didn't want it known that he was visiting until he got there. However, Rosebowl didn't get the memo and posted it. Well, Paul makes a post that the reason that they didn't want it known was because "like clockwork," Ole Miss coaches immediately called the kid when it came out that he was visiting here and started talking about a late offer. This is coming from the kid, apparently.

Ole Miss had just picked up two DE commitments, and this guy has big grade question marks and his previous best offers are Baylor, Colorado State, and UTEP.

Is it possible that the Ole Miss coaching staff is so obsessed with keeping us from getting anybody that they would pull a stunt like going after a kid only because we are bringing him in on a visit? I thought LSU was the rival. If so, Mullen has really gotten under their skin. I would love to hear from the NAFOOM recruitniks on this one.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....but basically we had some visitors come in this weekend who Paul was asked to not publicly identify, one of which was Paul Crawford, a Defensive End from Texas. Apparently, whoever asked Paul not to identify the kid didn't want it known that he was visiting until he got there. However, Rosebowl didn't get the memo and posted it. Well, Paul makes a post that the reason that they didn't want it known was because "like clockwork," Ole Miss coaches immediately called the kid when it came out that he was visiting here and started talking about a late offer. This is coming from the kid, apparently.

Ole Miss had just picked up two DE commitments, and this guy has big grade question marks and his previous best offers are Baylor, Colorado State, and UTEP.

Is it possible that the Ole Miss coaching staff is so obsessed with keeping us from getting anybody that they would pull a stunt like going after a kid only because we are bringing him in on a visit? I thought LSU was the rival. If so, Mullen has really gotten under their skin. I would love to hear from the NAFOOM recruitniks on this one.

 

[mstatefan88]

They don't really have a need for a 2 star DE like Crawford, so I think that maybe they are trying to prove something. They still have 6 scholarships left, so why not try and grab a guy like Crawford if they can. They can take a risk onthe guy, see if it pays off, and piss us off in the process.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....they don't need the kid, they just didn't want us to get him, even though he is hardly a noteworthy prospect.

 

[AzzurriDawg4]

It looks to me like they are doing everything they can to make life difficult for us, and who can blame them. They are in a power position right now. Both schools have been doing this for years, although it is pretty nasty doing it to a kid you have no intention of signing (and I really doubt Ole Miss was going after Crawford in earnest). That said, I would hope Mullen would do the same if we were in their position. There is no other explanation for them getting on Paul Crawford like that. Just trying to give us a headache on a prospect that should be a relatively easy sell for us.

 

[GBryne4Heisman]

Its not about obsession, it's just how it goes. If your rival school is looking at a 6'8 DE from Texas, maybe you should look at him too.

Plus I dont think they offered, so it's a moot point all together.

 

[sardis]

to see who could be trusted to keep secrets or better yet, let +%$+ go chasing after players.

 

[mstatefan88]

If he pays off, its a steal. If he doesn't, they will have plenty of other DE's there, and Crawford will just be another 2 star that didn't pan out. Win win situation for them if they can steal him from us.

 

[randystewart]

recently, that Dan Mullen has really gotten to him. Note: I am in no way saying that we are out-recruiting UM. Nutt has taken heat from the UM fan base over the Mississippi recruits and the MSU campaign claiming domination in that area. From some of the things that they have told players that we are both recruiting, I guarantee that Nutt is bothered by Mullen and longs for the days of Croom.
And to preemptively answer the "what are they telling recruits" question
I know for a fact the these things have been used by UM coaches in describing MSU.
"Dan Mullen does not provide a christian environment"
"MSU will be great for you if you like being done with practice by December"
"coach Mullen will be on the first train out of Starkville" (this one is doubtful if the previous quote is true...)
"MSU's offense is a gimmick that we have now figured out, coach Nutt has scored points in many different ways over his career"
and the best one:
"MSU is stacked at your position, you will sit the bench for three years before you get your chance" (I like this one when you add it in with the others, because it is basically saying that Ole Miss is vastly superior to MSU except at your position)

 

[AzzurriDawg4]

Just my opinion. He just wants to win. Like all coaches. We are their rival, they want to beat us.

Edited to add: and those comments (maybe other than the Christian comment) are used by just about every school in recruiting.

 

[rebelrouseri]

to maybe get an offer? We are really tight on spots, and I can't imagine that we would offer him.

 

[DowntownDawg]

2 star DE from Texas, especially after they got Thompson. Why waste your time on that?

Am I being naive to think that this is a little out of the ordinary in terms of recruiting and your rival? I have just never heard of this before.

I understand when both schools want a kid, but not when you take a kid your rival wants and then wait to see who their plan B is and try to keep him from going there even if you don't really want him.

Obsession.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...and he took what Nutt said and rubbed it in his face. That obviously got his attention, which I don't really think is a good thing. Now, Ole Miss seems to be re-focusing on Mississippi, and if the above is true, sabotaging our efforts even when they don't care about the prospect.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....Scout had an offer for OM listed. I can't believe that would be right unless it was something very early on and is not valid anymore.

 

[OMlawdog]

That Steve posted that the guy had late interest from OM and a late offer and put that on there.

Considering the amount of Ole miss recruiting coverage there is out there, it just surprises me that neither Yancy, Chuck, Neal, ColReb or anyone covering Ole Miss had heard of this kid, but apparently we wanted to sign another DE when our numbers are pretty damn tight.

It would be like Yancy saying that "MSU made a late run on Martez Eastland, but that Ole Miss was able to win another battle against MSU, take that MSU" Of course no one at MSU who follows recruiting knows who Eastland is, but it doesn't matter since Yancy has said it. Same thing here.

 

[olemissbydamn]

....but basically we had some visitors come in this weekend who Paul was asked to not publicly identify, one of which was Paul Crawford, a Defensive End from Texas. Apparently, whoever asked Paul not to identify the kid didn't want it known that he was visiting until he got there. However, Rosebowl didn't get the memo and posted it. Well, Paul makes a post that the reason that they didn't want it known was because "like clockwork," Ole Miss coaches immediately called the kid when it came out that he was visiting here and started talking about a late offer. This is coming from the kid, apparently.

Ole Miss had just picked up two DE commitments, and this guy has big grade question marks and his previous best offers are Baylor, Colorado State, and UTEP.

Is it possible that the Ole Miss coaching staff is so obsessed with keeping us from getting anybody that they would pull a stunt like going after a kid only because we are bringing him in on a visit? I thought LSU was the rival. If so, Mullen has really gotten under their skin. I would love to hear from the NAFOOM recruitniks on this one.

Evidently your boy Paul fabricates **** just as much as Yancy & Rosebowl.<div>
</div><div>The above is one of the most ridiculous post I've read here in a while.</div><div>
</div><div>I'm no Bruiser. I admit to following recruiting year round. This kid has never legitimately been pursued by OM other than in passing. Your writers are trying to ease the pain of these latest B list offers by building them up.</div><div>
</div><div>Until I read a thread about him on this page a few days back, I had never heard of Paul Crawford. The first mention I heard of him was Rosebowl stating we had offered and you were pursuing him. Then Rosebowl put his article out that said the kid had taken a call from OM. The first article written on him by the hawg scout site on Jan 11, 2010, and it makes no mention of OM. Yet, Rosebowl changed his profile to indicate an OM offer. Rivals indicates no pursuit of Crawford by OM.</div><div>
</div><div>Ray Charles could see that Rosebowl is fudging. And evidently Paul Jones isn't above the Rosebowl/Yancy tactics either.</div><div>
</div><div>We will oversign by around 6 in this class. Paul Crawford has never been mention in oversigning, walking on, scholarship, grey shirt, or placement.</div><div>
</div><div>Have you ever considered that Paul didn't know **** about this guy either and is just making an excuse for why they didn't list Crawford's name as visiting? Isn't that how Yancy and Rosebowl hedge their bets? "He was a top secret recruit whose name the staff didn't want getting out because Ole Miss might try to lure him away. I honored the staff's request and that 17tard Steve Robertson let the cat out of the bag."</div><div>
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[DowntownDawg]

...basically what you have is that the kid is saying that OM coaches called him and his high school coach as soon as it became known that he was visiting State. That's why Paul was asked to keep it quiet. I guess the kid could be lying? Reading his post, it's obvious that he is not trying to imply that we are winning a recruiting victory over OM, but instead implying that OM is basically trying to screw up our class any way they can.

And I may be wrong, but I haven't seen Steve post anything on the subject of OM and Crawford.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....or Paul made the story up or both?

You believe that Ole Miss never called the kid and pushed him to visit?

Doesn't seem that plausible to me either. Who knows?

 

[olemissbydamn]

....or Paul made the story up or both?

You believe that Ole Miss never called the kid and pushed him to visit?

Doesn't seem that plausible to me either. Who knows?

OM may have called the kid at some point. He indicated that in an interview with Steve Robertson on Jan 29, 2010. Yet Steve told subscribers that OM offered and put it on his profile. Never once in any article on the Rivals or Scout networks has the kid stated he has an OM offer. So it looks likely that Steve made that up.<div>
</div><div>Maybe we did pursue the kid. There is no way of me knowing for sure, but it sure as hell wasn't reported on any of the three networks until recently when Rosebowl reported it.</div><div>
</div><div>The main point is that even if we did pursue this guy, it wasn't to screw you guys. With scholarships as tight as they are, its stupid to suggest we'd take a project just to hurt your cause. And none of our recruiting gurus or fans on three networks knew who he was until Rosebowl started talking about him.</div><div>
</div><div>Another question about Paul's scenario...If Robertson reported that OM had been calling the guy prior to his interview with Steve on Friday, how is it that Steve let the cat out of the bag? Because according to that interview, OM had been calling previous to this weekend.</div><div>
</div><div>Again, it sounds like Paul is saving face for not knowing about a recruit.</div><div>
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[farley662]

You are not allowed to question any of the BDJ staff. They are above scrutiny.

 

[Foronce]

all paul is saying is that he was asked not to mention "Paul Crawford" as a visitor... he later said he apologized for not being able to tell, but that MSU coaches felt like other schools would go after him if they knew he was <span style="text-decoration:line-through">wavering</span> still looking at other schools because he couldn't make up his mind.

the question is do you think OM would call him after they just signed 2 4star recruits and one of the best def line classes coming in... yes i feel like they would have because if he visits om he doesn't visit MSU and he doesn't get an offer... with it being the last recruiting weekend I think this happens more than you would think...

 

[DowntownDawg]

....there were some recruits coming in that someone had asked him not to name. He said that they weren't studs or anything, but they just asked him not to name them. So he didn't until Saturday. Steve did, and according to Paul that's when the kid starts getting calls from the OM coaches. The kid said that he and his coach got calls.

And I don't buy the offer either.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....he's never been committed to anybody.

 

[paindonthurt_]

have some inside information on recruits other than sources from sources, i.e. i heard this or i heard that.

Dan Mullen doesn't call up Stever Robertson and say I offered this guy or that guy.
Same with Paul from BDJ.
Same with Yancy and Nutt.

These guys are reporters digging up dirt/info. They don't have affiliations with the coaching staff. They may have some contacts/sources, but they don't know about every recruit that OM offers or State offers. To think so is absurd.

So my question "bydamn" is "do you really think b/c you haven't heard of this guy, then you know he wasn't offered?". Are you directly tied to the OM coaching staff?

 

[8dog]

and other staff people. Additionally, I think they sometimes have rely on family members.

 

[olemissbydamn]

have some inside information on recruits other than sources from sources, i.e. i heard this or i heard that.

Dan Mullen doesn't call up Stever Robertson and say I offered this guy or that guy.
Same with Paul from BDJ.
Same with Yancy and Nutt.

These guys are reporters digging up dirt/info. They don't have affiliations with the coaching staff. They may have some contacts/sources, but they don't know about every recruit that OM offers or State offers. To think so is absurd.

So my question "bydamn" is "do you really think b/c you haven't heard of this guy, then you know he wasn't offered?". Are you directly tied to the OM coaching staff?

Chuck Rounsaville of the OM Spirit has daily contact with the coaching staff. Yancy has access through Chuck. This is a fact. Chuck probably has more contact with Nutt and staff than Pete Boone does. <div>
</div><div>I suspect that was the case in the past for Gene Swindoll and his outfit, but from reading here it appears if the Swan's contact has been decreased since you hired a new staff and AD.</div><div>
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[TR.sixpack]

to keep legitimate recruiting news from fans? That sound like something Yancy would do.

 

[Todd4State]

have some inside information on recruits other than sources from sources, i.e. i heard this or i heard that.

Dan Mullen doesn't call up Stever Robertson and say I offered this guy or that guy.
Same with Paul from BDJ.
Same with Yancy and Nutt.

These guys are reporters digging up dirt/info. They don't have affiliations with the coaching staff. They may have some contacts/sources, but they don't know about every recruit that OM offers or State offers. To think so is absurd.

So my question "bydamn" is "do you really think b/c you haven't heard of this guy, then you know he wasn't offered?". Are you directly tied to the OM coaching staff?

of all of the recruiting sites out there, BDJ is the best as far as accurate info. Paul shoots you straight. If something is a rumor, he says it's a rumor. If something is an opinion, he says it's his opinion. There has been very little that he has reporteed that was untrue.

If he says that he can not name a recruit, then I have to believe that he has good reason for doing so. As he reported, there were two recruits that visited.

I appreciate his honesty whether his info is good news or bad news for MSU because at the end of the day, all I really want to know is who is and who isn't coming to MSU.

 

[paindonthurt_]

a little absurd that the coaching staffs at any school would be talking to recruiting reporters about everyone they were offering.

It is very possible that OM offered a Paul Crawford and Chuck didn't/doesn't know about it.
It is also very possible that MSU offered XYZ and Steve Robertson didn't/doesn't know about it.

It is also possible that if Chuck does talk to the staff on a daily basis that they don't give him all of the information.

 

[olemissbydamn]

a little absurd that the coaching staffs at any school would be talking to recruiting reporters about everyone they were offering.

It is very possible that OM offered a Paul Crawford and Chuck didn't/doesn't know about it.
It is also very possible that MSU offered XYZ and Steve Robertson didn't/doesn't know about it.

It is also possible that if Chuck does talk to the staff on a daily basis that they don't give him all of the information.

And its also possible that you had no 17ing idea what you were talking about the first time you posted in this thread and you are now trying to crawfish.<div>
</div><div>Chuck and Yancy have exactly jack **** to do with this Paul Crawford situation. Steve published an articel where the recruit mentions OM calling him. In the very same article, he list his offers and never mentions OM. Yet Steve told his subscribers that OM offered and put it on his profile.</div><div>
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[HireCohen]

go back to the spirit you tool.that's all.

 

[Fratrebel]

Isn't it a violation of NCAA rules for a coach to talk about a prospect that has not signed a LOI with any member of the media?

 

[jacksonreb1]

dend. i don't see how we could screw msu recruiting if we can't possibly take the kid.assuming they actually sign our dline class is outstanding and full. now a reciever, rb, db i could see but with the 3 sholly's we lost to apr we just don't have room for games like that anyway. or so it seems to me. i could see saban taking a kid who might not be that good just to screw aub or msu or ole miss for that matter cause he can afford to waste a sholly. msu and ole miss IMO can't afford to do that.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Even if it wasn't, why would coaches be leaking info about who they were recruiting.

Maybe they would give info, but to think Steve, Chuck, Yanker, or Gene know everything about who OM/MSU is/are recruiting is moronic.

And to Ole Miss by Damn, I don't crayfish.

 

[Lion O]

I do know that Steve Robertson's "sources" on MS recruits during this recruiting period have primarily been Jay Hughes and some regional coaches (mostly in the Delta and on the coast). He occasionally would talk to family members.

And that is just sad.

 

[Interpol]

If you haven't realized how retarded that sounds, skip what you had planned for tomorrow and kill yourself.</p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

This time the required response may actually have some truth to it.

 

[SCrebel49]

He does not have an offer from Ole Miss.

 

[HD6]

Tremendous.

 

[studentdawg87]

Is there anything you don't claim to know about recruiting in Mississippi? As if being an antagonistic **** isn't enough, you always have provide us with the "real" story on recruiting. How does DiamondReb feel about you attempting to steal his title of biggest Ole Miss homer? Or better yet, why the 17do care so damn much about where high school kids decide to attend college?