I didn't know it was legal

mc140

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to let 8th graders come in to work out with the high school football team after school.
 

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Neither did we. Care to elaborate, or just dropping vague bombs out for the crowd?
 

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As long as it is not an official practice or team run practices (coaches running it), pretty sure it is within the rules.
 

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Coaches do this sort of thing all the time. They open up the weight room for kids to come work out. Its not just eighth graders.

My son is a seventh grader and works out at the Warren weight room. Sorry but this is a non-story....NEXT
 

mc140

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Originally posted by LakeCtyNewt:
Coaches do this sort of thing all the time. They open up the weight room for kids to come work out. Its not just eighth graders.

My son is a seventh grader and works out at the Warren weight room. Sorry but this is a non-story....NEXT
So your son is working out with the Warren Football team during workouts after school?

Not practical, but if say Mt. Carmel decided to bus the top 25 7th grade football players on the southside to lift with the football team after school you would see no problem with that.? Hell, I probably just gave someone a great idea.
 

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We're making our 1st trip down state and you wanna talk about Jr High kids doing lunges?
 

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Is there a problem with my son on his own time working out at the local HS?

Curious you're concerned about what my 13 year old kid is doing. Nothing illegal here as much as you want it to be MC. Sorry to disappoint pal
 

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I am guessing this is more common in the smaller districts where the junior high and high school is in the same district, PE teacher is also a football coach... Buildings maybe next to each other, maybe even connected..
 

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"We're making our 1st trip down state and you wanna talk about Jr High kids doing lunges?"

Good luck to the Brook in Peoria! Nice to see a Joliet area team down there.
 

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LCN,

I think that there is an issue as this would be viewed as practice or participation if any school employee observer/instructor of the weight room is in attendance, especially when you state he is working out on his own time likely with team members at Warren. See illustrations of 3.010 question 82.

If he is not working out supervised or instructed it's an even bigger issue for the district at large due to liability issues in the event he gets hurt.

Glad to see the publics are breaking the rules that the privates always get blamed for doing. I know the private school my kids go to would not allow any work outs till camp started in June of their freshman year!

IHSA regs 3.010 jr high players
 

HHSTigerFan

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Letting junior high kids lift with the HS varsity in the off season is not considered a practice..
 

jwarigaku

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HHS,

Truly shocking the shades of grey you can see when discussing public schools and how Black and White things are regarding privates!
 

HHSTigerFan

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I was just stating that the IHSA does not consider weight room work as practice....

And in most cases across the state, it's all within the same district..
 

Cross Bones

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Originally posted by USD24:
"We're making our 1st trip down state and you wanna talk about Jr High kids doing lunges?"

Good luck to the Brook in Peoria! Nice to see a Joliet area team down there.
Thanks... Me and a buddy agreed we never thought we'd see this day.
 

mc140

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Originally posted by HHSTigerFan:
I was just stating that the IHSA does not consider weight room work as practice....
The IHSA also consdiers four D1 girls basketball players using the same address after transferring into the same school as legal.

The financial aid packages for the kids with no money that go to MAC have also been deemed legal.
 

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The reality is most High School are community schools in which the facilities are open to the public. A lot of parents and kids walk/ run on the track, shoot basketball in the gym and utilize the weight room as well. This is sometimes used as a selling point when the Board seek support to raise taxes.

Jwar,
You are comparing apples and oranges. It is not Grey, it is a fact that a local resident can use the facilities of the high school. Some school Boards make you sign a waiver that prevent liability from use of school facilities. Private schools aren't funded by tax dollars which completely change the landscape. Yes, this is a clear advantage that public school have to retain their local students. On the other side a private schools has 30 plus communities to choose from. From a public school perspective, I would much rather have the ability to get kids from 30 different communities versus have a young kid lift in my weight room. You can't really think the two are equal?
 

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If you guys took a second to read the link jwar posted, it says "practice or participate." And yes, lifting with the team is considered practice now. Just look at the football rules that declare it so.
 

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LHSTIGER,

What's that you say a public has an advantage, or at least per your interpretation of the rules. I know of a private that opened its gym to incoming 9th graders in the spring and was reported to the IHSA. So just to clarify a public with coaches coaching during the open gym period is allowed with incoming 9th graders in the spring of their 8th grade year, where relationships can be forged, but it's prohibited for privates to do the same? Oh yeah there is no recruiting of Athletes in the publics at all...come on guys!
 

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I will tell you this... If it wasn't for a private school being in constant contact with our athletes, we wouldn't be contacting them...
 

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"I will tell you this... If it wasn't for a private school being in constant contact with our athletes, we wouldn't be contacting them..."

I find it amusing that you refer to them as "our athletes"
 

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Jwar,
How can you recruit a kid that is coming to your school because he live in your district? Please explain how is that recruiting.Please explain how that is gaining an advantage? I will also add that I never said a coach was there in my example. I am merely speaking on younger kids using the weight room. .
 

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So I guess once a kid starts kindergarten in the public school system, he is "your" athlete?
 

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Well since we rarely lose kids to Mac because our coaching, facilities and education are better... It's pretty much assumed they will stay, so yes, they are our athletes
 

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So by the illogical logic I am reading here, the only one that should EVER use HS facilities should be HS athletes is that it?

So no youth football practice on the facility grounds, no youth baseball or soccer, or swimming or basketball? Because base don what I am reading here that's a big time violation.

If that's the case, everyone is guilty. Public, private - everyone.
 

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USD24 posted on 3/18/2015...
So I guess once a kid starts kindergarten in the public school system, he is "your" athlete?


No. Once a kid live in an address within the school boundaries then in most communities he is welcome to use the facilities. No one own kids but the parents. Unfortunately some think kids are some type of commodity. My statement is simple. You can't recruit a kid that if he attends public school will attend your High school. The minute the kid moves away, the same "access" is no longer available. So again NO, a kid that starts kindergarten in a school is not guaranteed to attend that High School and he is not "your" athlete.
 

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If I am a junior high boy, I can get into a Mac home football game for free and stand on the sideline.... If I want to go to a Herscher home game I pay $2 and watch from the stands..

Shall I cry about that ??
 

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LCN,

Practicing or playing on the grounds of a HS by a youth sports team is not an issue, and many districts grounds are actually owned by the town park district. Couple that with the fact that youth organizations have their own coaching staff where head coaches are not allowed to be part of the high school staff and you have separation. When you step inside the school unless it's the youth team working out isolated from the HS team there is an issue of participation with the HS team that is not allowed, open gym or not. No illogical disconnect here, like it or not privates were reported for this and told to cease the activity.
 

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Originally posted by HHSTigerFan:
If I am a junior high boy, I can get into a Mac home football game for free and stand on the sideline.... If I want to go to a Herscher home game I pay $2 and watch from the stands..

Shall I cry about that ??
Yes, you should.
 

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The is whole working out is part of the bogus off-season rules and number of contacts that is selectively enforced.
 

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Let's keep it real:
Private schools recruit...we all know that. They don't admit it, they don't publicize it, but they do it.
Public schools must recruit their own kids to keep them in district. If they don't, they can lose their "athletes" to private schools.
If a public hs football coach wants the best 7th and 8th graders in district to come to the hs, he must recruit them. Otherwise, the private school coaches who are at the practices and games will entice the athletes and their families to come to their school.
Hopefully, we can all just admit that this stuff happens and whether or not we think its fair, its happening, So you can either complain about it and keep losing "the athletes" or get out there and work it. Its called job security.
 

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'Private schools recruit...we all know that. They don't admit it, they don't publicize it, but they do it.'

Carmel Catholic came to my kids catholic middle school. Kids from this catholic middle school attend - or have attended - Niles ND, St. Viator, Carmel Catholic, Marian Central Catholic, Grayslake Central, Stevenson, Mundelein, and Wauconda High Schools.

Carmel Catholic came in and recruited hard. My kids said an administrator level contact and a student visited at length, talked about the school, the campus, academics, the culture, and also highlighted some athletic successes.

The contacts from Carmel Catholic welcomed all 8th grade students the opportunity to test for admission. So they do openly recruit. They do publicize their brand and their attempt to bring in quality students. It's a normal process, and completely legal.

Guess which schools came in next?
 

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Originally posted by sac'em:
Let's keep it real:
Private schools recruit...we all know that. They don't admit it, they don't publicize it, but they do it.
Public schools must recruit their own kids to keep them in district. If they don't, they can lose their "athletes" to private schools.
If a public hs football coach wants the best 7th and 8th graders in district to come to the hs, he must recruit them. Otherwise, the private school coaches who are at the practices and games will entice the athletes and their families to come to their school.
Hopefully, we can all just admit that this stuff happens and whether or not we think its fair, its happening, So you can either complain about it and keep losing "the athletes" or get out there and work it. Its called job security.
How is it not publicized? What constitutes publicizing to you? Taking out ads in newspapers and on billboards? Of course they recruit. Oddly enough, they recruit all students, athletes, brains, legacies. It's not exactly a secret, so I'm not sure what your point is in this post. Can you help clarify?
 

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In the Kankakee area, the Kankakee Catholic school recruits all Catholic kids the same... and then all the athletic non Catholics the same..
 

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The point is:
1. If you are a private high school coach, you don't publicize the recruitment of athletes. We really don't see too many posts on here about recruiting high honor roll students who don't play sports. That being said, you cannot (or at least should not publicize) the the recruitment of student-athletes for athletic purposes. Sure, pitch the school, academics, tradition, test scores, safety, etc., but recruiting for athletic purposes is not allowed, although it happens, and we know it happens.
2. If you are a public high school coach, you must recruit your own athletes (in district). If you don't, the private school coach will swoop in and sell them on the idea of the private school.

Now, recruitment is different when students are already in a private grade school/ junior high. They can get in there at anytime and under any circumstance to talk to the kids. I don't think there are too many private high school coaches talking with public school kids at their public school, just doesn't happen. But, you will see those private high school coaches at the youth football field, talking with parents and youth coaches and eventually the kids.

The overall point is, there are too many public school coaches and parents complaining about losing their better athletes to private schools. Stop whining about it and get out there and hustle. If you don't want to put in the work to at least try to keep these kids in district, then don't complain. We say the same thing about voting, if you don't vote, you shouldn't complain about politics.
 
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I know a seventh grader who is aggressively being recruited...by his friends to attend a private school. I see a lot more of that than coaches patrolling the sidelines. " Let's all go to X school together", not much different then what the see in the NBA
 

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Originally posted by TeeOH:
I know a seventh grader who is aggressively being recruited...by his friends to attend a private school. I see a lot more of that than coaches patrolling the sidelines. " Let's all go to X school together", not much different then what the see in the NBA
This happens all the time.