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I don't follow WV politics that closely anymore but the new GOP controlled legislature has gone nuts

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Solving everything but the real problems we have, just legalize weed already and reap the tax benefits, perfect for our outdoor sports, Colorado of the east.
 
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RichardPeterJohnson said:
with some of their recent actions. But this is absolutely hilarious. In their efforts to get the evil govt out of peoples' lives, they passed law allowing WVians to drink raw milk. Who needs pasteurization anyway? Well....
http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/An...lk-caused-illnesses-at-Capitol-371487251.html
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Highway repairs need funded, there are PEIA shortfalls, etc. but we can drink raw milk now. The raw milk bill failed last year so all 7 people who wanted this are celebrating.
 
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countryroads89_rivals

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This is what the idiot that introduced the bill looks like:


This is what the idiot that thinks his illness was a coincidence with a bug going around the capitol looks like:
 
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moe said:
Highway repairs need funded, there are PEIA shortfalls, etc. but we can drink raw milk now. The raw milk bill failed last year so all 7 people who wanted this are celebrating.
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I think it passed cause the chick that was pushing for it is super hot. No pic. She owns a farm (ranch?) around Lewisburg I think.
 
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I wasn't aware it was ever illegal to drink raw milk. I believe most states have rules in place regarding the sale of raw milk. I could be wrong. Many of us grew up on raw milk (goat milk for lactose intolerant children (pre-Similac.))
 
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This isn't as simple as just drinking raw milk. I'll probably butcher the explanation but this bill was about people sharing raw milk from pooled farms/cattle. There had been a law making that illegal because it was illegal to drink raw milk, this just opens it up to people with their dairy cows.

At least that's my understanding.
 
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moe said:
Highway repairs need funded, there are PEIA shortfalls, etc. but we can drink raw milk now. The raw milk bill failed last year so all 7 people who wanted this are celebrating.
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They repubs tried to get a 300 million per year highway funding bill passed but the dems and a few repubs won't agree on increasing fees and taxes to pay for it. As far as the PEIA is concerned, its business as usual for the dems who have controlled this state for the past 80 years and drove WV into its last in everything condition ; “It is embarrassing that the Democrats would try to play political games with this when we need to immediately take care of the funding needs of our state,” said House Speaker Tim Armstead, R-Kanawha, the lead sponsor of the bill. “There’s obviously a division between the Democrat governor and the Democrat legislators in this House.” Tomblin’s office said the supplemental spending measures must be passed by “early next week” and sided with Armstead in this particular PEIA dispute.
 
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bornaneer said:
They repubs tried to get a 300 million per year highway funding bill passed but the dems and a few repubs won't agree on increasing fees and taxes to pay for it. As far as the PEIA is concerned, its business as usual for the dems who have controlled this state for the past 80 years and drove WV into its last in everything condition ; “It is embarrassing that the Democrats would try to play political games with this when we need to immediately take care of the funding needs of our state,” said House Speaker Tim Armstead, R-Kanawha, the lead sponsor of the bill. “There’s obviously a division between the Democrat governor and the Democrat legislators in this House.” Tomblin’s office said the supplemental spending measures must be passed by “early next week” and sided with Armstead in this particular PEIA dispute.
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Of course the Republicans control both the Senate and House of Delegates.
 
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bornaneer said:
They repubs tried to get a 300 million per year highway funding bill passed but the dems and a few repubs won't agree on increasing fees and taxes to pay for it. As far as the PEIA is concerned, its business as usual for the dems who have controlled this state for the past 80 years and drove WV into its last in everything condition ; “It is embarrassing that the Democrats would try to play political games with this when we need to immediately take care of the funding needs of our state,” said House Speaker Tim Armstead, R-Kanawha, the lead sponsor of the bill. “There’s obviously a division between the Democrat governor and the Democrat legislators in this House.” Tomblin’s office said the supplemental spending measures must be passed by “early next week” and sided with Armstead in this particular PEIA dispute.
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The dumb-*** republicans are trying to cut corporate and coal severance taxes when there's a funding shortage for PEIA and the state is laying off educators. Brilliant. They may end up laying off professors at state funded colleges and universities. Dumb asses.
 
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moe

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countryroads89 said:
The dumb-*** republicans are trying to cut corporate and coal severance taxes when there's a funding shortage for PEIA and the state is laying off educators. Brilliant. They may end up laying off professors at state funded colleges and universities. Dumb asses.
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Counties (particularly coal counties) are providing most of the push back on the cutting the severance taxes now. They're cutting personnel and services to the bone in coal counties.
 
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moe

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bornaneer said:
As far as the PEIA is concerned, its business as usual for the dems who have controlled this state for the past 80 years and drove WV into its last in everything condition ;
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I was primarily responding to this since Dems no longer control things.
 
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countryroads89 said:
The dumb-*** republicans are trying to cut corporate and coal severance taxes when there's a funding shortage for PEIA and the state is laying off educators. Brilliant. They may end up laying off professors at state funded colleges and universities. Dumb asses.
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They proposed cutting corporate and coal severance taxes, which are among the highest in the country, in an effort to attract business. The repubs have offered to raise the sales tax and other taxes in an effort to bridge the gap. You dems had your chance and fuked it up.
 
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moe said:
Counties (particularly coal counties) are providing most of the push back on the cutting the severance taxes now. They're cutting personnel and services to the bone in coal counties.
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Coal is dead and gone......lets concentrate in getting other business started in our state. Every time I watch how its made shows on TV I see a lot of Tennessee business's featured, maybe RPJ can enlighten us on how Tennessee attracts companies.
 
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moe

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bornaneer said:
They proposed cutting corporate and coal severance taxes
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You did get one thing right but the reason is wrong.
WV Senate advances planned tax cut for coal, gas
The bill (SB 419) would remove the “excess” severance taxes on coal and gas that companies have paid since 2005 and which were first implemented to help pay off the state’s old workers’ compensation debts.


Those debts have just about been repaid — more than 10 years ahead of schedule — thanks largely to the Marcellus Shale boom, which speeded up the payment plan considerably.


The Senate Finance Committee quickly approved the measure Friday morning.


In the midst of a major budget shortfall, with declining state revenues and ever-escalating cuts, no senator questioned the tax cuts.


Sen. Robert Plymale, D-Wayne, raised concerns that the bill also raises taxes on the state’s timber industry, but there was no other discussion.


The bill passed on a unanimous voice vote, in a committee room largely empty save for members of the governor’s staff and coal and gas lobbyists.


Tomblin’s office and senators from both parties said the tax cut was about keeping a promise — that the taxes were only in place until the workers’ comp debt went away.


“As Senate president, Gov. Tomblin made a commitment to remove excess severance taxes on coal and natural gas once the Old Fund liability was paid off,” Shayna Varner, a Tomblin spokeswoman, said.

The tax cuts would remove a 56-cents-per-ton tax on coal producers and a 4.7-cent-per-thousand cubic feet tax on gas producers.


Those two taxes brought the state more than $122 million in fiscal year 2015, which ended in June. A fiscal note prepared by the state Tax Department estimates the tax cut will cost the state $110 million in revenue next year

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/20160206/wv-senate-advances-planned-tax-cut-for-coal-gas
 
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moe said:
You did get one thing right but the reason is wrong.
WV Senate advances planned tax cut for coal, gas
The bill (SB 419) would remove the “excess” severance taxes on coal and gas that companies have paid since 2005 and which were first implemented to help pay off the state’s old workers’ compensation debts.


Those debts have just about been repaid — more than 10 years ahead of schedule — thanks largely to the Marcellus Shale boom, which speeded up the payment plan considerably.


The Senate Finance Committee quickly approved the measure Friday morning.


In the midst of a major budget shortfall, with declining state revenues and ever-escalating cuts, no senator questioned the tax cuts.


Sen. Robert Plymale, D-Wayne, raised concerns that the bill also raises taxes on the state’s timber industry, but there was no other discussion.


The bill passed on a unanimous voice vote, in a committee room largely empty save for members of the governor’s staff and coal and gas lobbyists.


Tomblin’s office and senators from both parties said the tax cut was about keeping a promise — that the taxes were only in place until the workers’ comp debt went away.


“As Senate president, Gov. Tomblin made a commitment to remove excess severance taxes on coal and natural gas once the Old Fund liability was paid off,” Shayna Varner, a Tomblin spokeswoman, said.

The tax cuts would remove a 56-cents-per-ton tax on coal producers and a 4.7-cent-per-thousand cubic feet tax on gas producers.


Those two taxes brought the state more than $122 million in fiscal year 2015, which ended in June. A fiscal note prepared by the state Tax Department estimates the tax cut will cost the state $110 million in revenue next year

http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/20160206/wv-senate-advances-planned-tax-cut-for-coal-gas
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Typical politician plan. Create a "temporary" tax to pay for something, then when that something is paid for, keep that tax around permanently.
 
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WhiteTailEER said:
This isn't as simple as just drinking raw milk. I'll probably butcher the explanation but this bill was about people sharing raw milk from pooled farms/cattle. There had been a law making that illegal because it was illegal to drink raw milk, this just opens it up to people with their dairy cows.

At least that's my understanding.
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Yes I think you are correct.
 
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countryroads89 said:
The dumb-*** republicans are trying to cut corporate and coal severance taxes when there's a funding shortage for PEIA and the state is laying off educators. Brilliant. They may end up laying off professors at state funded colleges and universities. Dumb asses.
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Considering some of the professors ability to teach, it wouldn't be a bad idea to cut some of the dead weight.
 
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bornaneer said:
Coal is dead and gone......lets concentrate in getting other business started in our state. Every time I watch how its made shows on TV I see a lot of Tennessee business's featured, maybe RPJ can enlighten us on how Tennessee attracts companies.
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First, no income tax but a tax on what you buy. Right to work, he won't like that. I'm not sure about the corporate tax structure but most southern states understand that they need to be business friendly to attract business. I would bet the unemployment/disability laws are much more favorable too. WV just has been run into the ground by previous legislatures
 
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PriddyBoy

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I can't find a law making DRINKING raw milk illegal, just the SALE. Any citable evidence on this would be appreciated.
 
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Keyser76 said:
Solving everything but the real problems we have, just legalize weed already and reap the tax benefits, perfect for our outdoor sports, Colorado of the east.
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You probably should wait and see what happens in Colorado before going all in. Looks like there's some problems there. I guess you are ok if your son or daughter starts on it?
 
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WhiteTailEER

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PriddyBoy said:
I can't find a law making DRINKING raw milk illegal, just the SALE. Any citable evidence on this would be appreciated.
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Yes, I think you are right. Like I said, I'm a bit fuzzy on the details but it was mostly about sharing raw milk among those in the pool, but I don't understand why that would have ever been illegal in the first place.
 
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Faux outrage can come from both parties. Imagine that.
 
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Why is raw milk illegal in some states?
There is a long history and debate surrounding the legalization of raw milk in the United States. Michigan was the first state to require pasteurization of all dairy products sold to the public. A 2009 review of raw milk consumption found that 29 states allow some form of on- or off-farm raw milk sales, but only a few allow sales in grocery stores. CDC has documented fewer illnesses and outbreaks from raw milk in states that prohibit sales.

In 1987, the FDA mandated pasteurization of all milk and milk products for human consumption, effectively banning the shipment of raw milk in interstate commerce with the exception of cheese made from raw milk, provided the cheese has been aged a minimum of 60 days and is clearly labeled as unpasteurized.

The Code of Federal Regulations (21 CFR Sec. 1240.61) mandates pasteurization for all milk and milk products in final package form intended for direct human consumption.

"No person shall cause to be delivered into interstate commerce or shall sell, otherwise distribute, or hold for sale or other distribution after shipment in interstate commerce any milk or milk product in final package form for direct human consumption unless the product has been pasteurized or is made from dairy ingredients (milk or milk products) that have all been pasteurized..."

Legislation related to the sale and consumption of raw milk is regularly considered by state legislatures, and state raw milk laws change from time to time. The Real Raw Milk Facts working group has therefore put together aLegislation Packet to demonstrate the risk of raw milk, raw cheese and other raw dairy product consumption as compared to pasteurized dairy product consumption, and recommend against expanding the availability of raw milk/dairy products for retail sale. In addition, the below tables provide information related to various raw milk laws and regulations.

State raw milk laws change from time to time. The below tables provide information related to various raw milk laws and regulations.

Raw Milk Bills and LegislationClick on this table to find information about recent raw milk bills.

State-by-State Regulations by Point-of-Sale
Click on this table to see which states allow farm and retail raw milk sales.
 
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