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<blockquote data-quote="GoWVU" data-source="post: 129402644" data-attributes="member: 1457561">I expect Keaton to trade in these sorts of falsehoods, Darth, but I thought you were a little smarter than that.Why do people keep trotting out a 3-point loss to a 5-7 Big 12 team as &quot;evidence&quot; Stewart sucked, but never seem to mention losing to TWO 3-9 Big 12 teams by 12 and 8 points as evidence Holgorsen sucks?East Carolina was 9-5 that year, won Conference USA, and defeated the ACC and Orange Bowl champion Hokies in addition to us.&nbsp; The Buffaloes and Pirates may not have been powerhouses, but they each beat at least one other team with a winning record that year besides us so they clearly weren't as terrible as the false narrative keeps propagating.It's the same dishonest mentality seen elsewhere on this thread that derisively mentions Stewart losing to Syracuse, but which conveniently omits the fact Stewart lost by just 5 to an 8-5 Orange team while Holgorsen lost by 26 to a 5-7 Orange team and again by 24 to an 8-5 Orange team.I don't mind if someone wants to criticize Stewart on the facts, there is certainly some room.&nbsp; What needs to stop is the outright deception, lies, and whitewashing of Holgorsen's inconvenient results in order to make that case.The reality is Nehlen, RR, and Stewart never once lost to a team worse than 4-7 in 31 combined seasons as our head coaches.&nbsp; Holgorsen already had lost to two 3-9 creampuffs who beat NOBODY all year by the end of his third season.And, yes, Texas was bad last year.&nbsp; They finished with a losing record (6-7), which is as good a definition as any.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GoWVU, post: 129402644, member: 1457561"] I expect Keaton to trade in these sorts of falsehoods, Darth, but I thought you were a little smarter than that. Why do people keep trotting out a 3-point loss to a 5-7 Big 12 team as "evidence" Stewart sucked, but never seem to mention losing to TWO 3-9 Big 12 teams by 12 and 8 points as evidence Holgorsen sucks? East Carolina was 9-5 that year, won Conference USA, and defeated the ACC and Orange Bowl champion Hokies in addition to us. The Buffaloes and Pirates may not have been powerhouses, but they each beat at least one other team with a winning record that year besides us so they clearly weren't as terrible as the false narrative keeps propagating. It's the same dishonest mentality seen elsewhere on this thread that derisively mentions Stewart losing to Syracuse, but which conveniently omits the fact Stewart lost by just 5 to an 8-5 Orange team while Holgorsen lost by 26 to a 5-7 Orange team and again by 24 to an 8-5 Orange team. I don't mind if someone wants to criticize Stewart on the facts, there is certainly some room. What needs to stop is the outright deception, lies, and whitewashing of Holgorsen's inconvenient results in order to make that case. The reality is Nehlen, RR, and Stewart never once lost to a team worse than 4-7 in 31 combined seasons as our head coaches. Holgorsen already had lost to two 3-9 creampuffs who beat NOBODY all year by the end of his third season. And, yes, Texas was bad last year. They finished with a losing record (6-7), which is as good a definition as any. [/QUOTE]

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