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Todd4State

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Dan can't close anymore.

His recruiting is getting progressively better and better. That's to be expected with the success we are having. His transition class was pretty good- even though I've been told that they aren't supposed to be.

For the most part, we are getting the best players in the state. And now we are going into Memphis and New Orleans and getting a few players.

I also like how we are emphasizing hard work when we are recruiting. That should weed out a lot of the prima donnas that end up being busts a lot of times.

I would love to see a day where we get the top 20 players in Mississippi- high school and JUCO- and then the final five come from Memphis, New Orleans, and Alabama. Speaking of JUCO, I would like to see us rely less and less on the JUCO system for the simple fact that having to rely on JUCO players means that we have a lot of holes that need to be plugged immediately. Don't get me wrong- I am not against JUCO football players at all, and if we have a chance to get a Denico Autry type talent, we should do it. I just want to see us get to where we are developing almost all of our players for four years.
 
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Todd4State

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Dan can't close anymore.

His recruiting is getting progressively better and better. That's to be expected with the success we are having. His transition class was pretty good- even though I've been told that they aren't supposed to be.

For the most part, we are getting the best players in the state. And now we are going into Memphis and New Orleans and getting a few players.

I also like how we are emphasizing hard work when we are recruiting. That should weed out a lot of the prima donnas that end up being busts a lot of times.

I would love to see a day where we get the top 20 players in Mississippi- high school and JUCO- and then the final five come from Memphis, New Orleans, and Alabama. Speaking of JUCO, I would like to see us rely less and less on the JUCO system for the simple fact that having to rely on JUCO players means that we have a lot of holes that need to be plugged immediately. Don't get me wrong- I am not against JUCO football players at all, and if we have a chance to get a Denico Autry type talent, we should do it. I just want to see us get to where we are developing almost all of our players for four years.
 
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Todd4State

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Dan can't close anymore.

His recruiting is getting progressively better and better. That's to be expected with the success we are having. His transition class was pretty good- even though I've been told that they aren't supposed to be.

For the most part, we are getting the best players in the state. And now we are going into Memphis and New Orleans and getting a few players.

I also like how we are emphasizing hard work when we are recruiting. That should weed out a lot of the prima donnas that end up being busts a lot of times.

I would love to see a day where we get the top 20 players in Mississippi- high school and JUCO- and then the final five come from Memphis, New Orleans, and Alabama. Speaking of JUCO, I would like to see us rely less and less on the JUCO system for the simple fact that having to rely on JUCO players means that we have a lot of holes that need to be plugged immediately. Don't get me wrong- I am not against JUCO football players at all, and if we have a chance to get a Denico Autry type talent, we should do it. I just want to see us get to where we are developing almost all of our players for four years.
 
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DAWG61

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JUCO's every year. 1 OL 1 WR 2 DL 1 DB. The speed and athleticism is too good to not sign. Can't miss on them though. They have to be able to step in right away and contribute as a bonus. Relying on them would be a huge mistake. Developing depth is most important and we are at that point now that we can add Juco weapons.
 
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Goat Grindin

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#1, we aren't ever going to take the top 20 players in MS. If we could do that consistently, we would be in the top half of the SEC.<div>
</div><div>#2, yes, I agree Memphis and New Orleans should be campouts for Mullen. I'd add in Mobile, B'ham and Florence too, like this year. Give us a better base. We may not get the best from there, but we'll get a few solid ones. Don't mind a trip or two to Atlanta and Miami either.</div><div>
</div><div>#3, the JUCOs - we have to take some every year, but not necessarily because of holes. That's where we can close the talent gap between us the SEC haves. </div>
 
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mstatefan88

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We have a large fan base in the Birmingham Metro, and I think we can really make some good efforts here to get good recruits. Alabamahas a national recruitingbase and doesn't rely onin staterecruits to be the backbone of their class. They took 7 from the state of Alabama today out of the 26 they signed. Auburn got 6 total commits from the state of Alabama out of the 19 they signed.

There is talent those two teams aren't tapping into, and I think Dan thinks he can exploit that. He did it today with the signing of Beniquez Brown and to some degree Kivon Coman, although he wasn't as highly rated. Dan wants to own Mississippi, but I think heenjoys getting into states like Bama and Louisiana to steal some of these overlooked kids.
 
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Goat Grindin

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I swear that Saban and Chizik recruit based on stars half the time. That's how big empires collapse, ignore your own and go after the big fish only. Houston Nutt saw first hand what happens.<div>
</div><div>I hope we never abandon the MS first mantra.</div>
 
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DAWG61

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is MSU should pick 4-5 Juco schools and try to sign a player from each every year to create a stepping stone relationship with those programs. This will make it easier to get the elite kid that comes out of those schools every 5 years or so.
 
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anon1751035439

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If you have a strong suit, that's where it's at.

Your class, while better than our's (I assume that must be your sole criterion for success), was not that great in comparison to the rest of the conference. Just a reality check for you guys.
 
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DAWG61

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is good. Would be great with a gamebreaker at QB, WR, and RB. The stars will have to align just right for that though. We added depth on top of our depth and some Juco help on the OL and DL. We have the #1 DL class in the nation. That's a good class no matter how you spin it.
 
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DawgWild

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yes, we know that our class isn't as good as bama or lsu and probably never will be in this era; however, when we sucked as bad as we did under croom these things take time to build back. so yes, having one of the best classes we have had in years is a success. And if you rebs keep that "well yall are just better than us which ain't such much" attitude then that's too. I would rather us keep taking these small steps till we can build things bigger and greater.
 
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Sauron

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We were extremely comparable with Auburn. I think maybe only four or five teams down. As is already stated, our class was much, much better than yours. We were better than Missouri and right behind Texas A&M. All in all, I think that translates into a decent showing in the conference.
 
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Sauron

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Two of his four classes have been ranked in the top 25. For a first time head coach at MSU, that aint bad people, not bad at all.
 
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mstatefan88

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That's huge for us. We finished ahead of Arkansas on Scout, 24/7, and Rivals, and they went to a BCS game in 2010 and the Cotton Bowl last year.I know it was only by a few spots, butI would say that is a win for us. Not sure if we can keep it up, but it certainly has us going in the right direction. I'm not sure we will ever be a consistent top half of the SEC recruiting team. However, I think we can finish in the top half of the SEC consistently if we continue to mold these kids like we have been.
 
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Big Sheep81

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I have read the same bitching from some on the board about Mullen not closing, not closing the right players, not getting the right needs met, etc. That sh*te gets old. State has to fight and scratch for players against the SEC west and a couple in the east.

1. Mullen has made a mistake or two but for the most part has chosen well. For all the bitching about having to develop players because he "couldn't close the 4 & 5 *'s his method of getting what he could is about to pay off. We are now about to have a good stable of redshirt players that will contribute. Being able to redshirt players is what gives you a longer term base to work from and makes it easier to recruit at our level. The Bamas and LSUs will get the bulk of the big names. Over time we can pick up some, but for the most part we will have to develop our players.

2. The 25 limit will work to our advantage and Mullen sees that. It will make it easier for him to get commitments that hold up. We will still lose one or two at the last minute but the days of stringing a commitment out are going to disappear for MOST players. The hot prospects will still have the higher hand, but the lower level guys will have to make a pledge and stick to it.

3. JUCO's will be a factor for filling last minute needs or getting a guy a place to play until he can transfer but the academic rules are going to get tougher everywhere. With the changes in the Mississippi JUCO system for athletics getting Autrys is going to be much more rare. We will have to do more out of state JUCO recruiting.

4. Mullen is going to make in-roads into states around us if he continues to improve our record and hit bowl games consistently. The limited number of SEC players from Mississippi schools divided among the Bamas, LSUs, TNs, along with State, OM and USM is going to make competition tougher for the Mississippi players. We turn out a lot of good players but getting 20 players from here with 5 more from out of state is not realistic most years. We will do good to get 15-18 players that can PLAY. Some years will be better than others but we will need 6-8 good out of state players to keep the talent level where it needs to be.

5. Ellis Johnson may really be the guy to make USM a factor in recruiting Mississippi players. The OM's don't realize that he is going to be a thorn in their side (and ours, just not to the same extent right now). I don't think Freeze is the next coming of Tubberville and will be able to pull off what TT did following the Brewer fiasco. OM was a dead program walking and TT pulled off a Young Frankenstein by creating a program out of Abby Normal. That was nothing short of of a Rosie O'Donnell sized miracle.

6. Bottom line is Mullen is finally getting his plan in place and short of a major disaster involving HS cheerleaders or small boys or south farm livestock, he will make us wonder why we loved Jackie so much.

That's more words than I spoke since I knowed ya.....
 
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Todd4State

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of a team whose coach couldn't even put together a full class and is losing recruits to Arkansas State. I guess you do have a pretty good perspective on what a not so good class looks like.

If I were you, I would seriously be worried about your class and your recruiting as opposed to where we fall in the conference relative to everyone else.

According to scout, we finished ahead of you, Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas, and Missouri and were one spot behind Texas A&M.

247 has us ahead of you again, Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas, and Missouri.

So, maybe you don't have that good of a perspective of what a bad class looks like.
 
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Todd4State

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Because he has shown that he can close in three out of his four classes:

Year 1- Bumphis and Tyler Russell as well as holding onto Fletcher Cox and Josh Boyd and then picking up LaDarius Perkins.

Year 2- Damien Robinson

Year 3- didn't close

Year 4- Richie Brown, Beniquez Brown, and AJ Jefferson

You'll just have to start saying he is an atheist or something.
 
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DawgWild

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in his original post that references ole miss. but since you brought it up, i'm sick and tired of ole miss fans wallowing in self pity and trying to bring state fans down with them. can't tell you how many times i've heard "well yall were just 7-6" or "yall just beat the worst ole miss team ever" or "yall are just have a mediocre class compared to the rest of everyone else." you can take that **** somewhere else. I'm happy as hell that your program is in the *******. maybe you bunch of arrogant *** clowns will learn what's it's like to have to try to pull your program up from nothing. maybe then you won't see it as being mediocre but taking the steps to actually get back to an sec championship game which your school wouldn't know anything about. last time i checked avg of 25 out of 120 is not mediocre. aw hell, no use trying to explaining building a football program to an ole miss fan. yall expect everything to be given to you on a silver platter without having to work for it.
 
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Todd4State

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in my original post- nor did I say anything about where we were ranked in the SEC.

You are the one turning this into a MSU/Ole Miss thing. I just talked about how we are headed in the right direction.

But I'll still answer your question because unlike your coach, I'm not afraid to show up.

First of all, recruiting rankings are BS. That's why I didn't touch on it in the first place. Call me when someone other than Yancy or Rosebowl are ranking these players and then we'll talk.

As far as our class being mediocre- no, I don't agree with you. Bama and LSU are going to be ranked higher because they have players that are ready to contribute as freshmen and are finished products. We don't have that luxury at MSU- like most people in the country. What we can do, though, is have good coaches that can find players with skills to work with that work hard and can be developed into good players. Like Vick Ballard, Chris White, Jonathan Banks, etc. And that will give us a chance to compete. Which is exactly what we have done with lower rated classes in the past other than maybe the Tyler Russell/Fletcher Cox class. If Dan can have us going to bowls and winning the Gator Bowl with one good class, what can he do with several good classes?

So, if you want to call winning 7-8 games a year mediocre- be my guest, but you might want to look up the definition of mediocre.
 
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gravedigger

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Your class, while better than our's (I assume that must be your sole criterion for success), was not that great in comparison to the rest of the conference.
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the sole criterion is what it does on the field.

So...using that...take your best class going back to Orgeron, and show us what they accomplished on the field. Fact is, Mullen gets players that actually produce beyond a recruiting ranking.

You give us 5 star Brent Shafuh and Jurel Po who count in 19 classes.
 
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RocketDawg

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mstatefan88 said:
<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#CC0000">We have a large fan base in the Birmingham Metro</font>, and I think we can really make some good efforts here to get good recruits. Alabamahas a national recruitingbase and doesn't rely onin staterecruits to be the backbone of their class. They took 7 from the state of Alabama today out of the 26 they signed. Auburn got 6 total commits from the state of Alabama out of the 19 they signed.

There is talent those two teams aren't tapping into, and I think Dan thinks he can exploit that. He did it today with the signing of Beniquez Brown and to some degree Kivon Coman, although he wasn't as highly rated. Dan wants to own Mississippi, but I think heenjoys getting into states like Bama and Louisiana to steal some of these overlooked kids.
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But unless I'm sadly mistaken, the Huntsville-Decatur Metro Alumni Association is the largest one outside the state of Mississippi ... larger than the Birmingham representation. Not that surprising with the hi-tech employment here. Population-wise, it's not that far off either ... approximately 600,000 here and about 1M around B'ham. The point is ... there are plenty of recruits to be tapped in this area. Philip Rivers is from Athens, Alabama. Dan has been here and is familiar with the area ... I expect he remembers that there is talent to be had here too.
 
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KurtRambis4

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Holy ****. You've got to be kidding me. It's one of the top defensive classes in the nation.
 
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chew1095

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But, since you are over here in a feeble attempt to drag us down, let me point something out to you: Freeze's first class (on paper) is worse than Croom's. I will let you think about that for a while and project your future course based on the other similarities between Ole Miss 2012 and MSU 2003. Enjoy your 4-8 season next year. Yes, I do think you slip up and get past Vandy to end your 26 game SEC losing streak.
 
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Barkman Turner Overdrive

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Are you saying some teams will beat them so bad it will count as two losses? Or are you counting on them losing a few subsequent parties?
 
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00Dawg

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Memphis is the largest.
Birmingham comes in second, followed by Atlanta, then Houston, then the Huntsville-Decatur area.
 
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Shmuley

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Chizik stupidly thought AU could waltz into Springfield, Missouri and pluck the consensus #1 recruit like a fat pomegranate. He made the same error in judgment in other places around the country. He now realizes that the BCS MNC bounce ain't gonna happen for AU. He realizes AU is not a national recruiting power. I predict you will see him focused on their bread and butter, starting with a focus on Alabama guys, then Atlanta, panhandle, and down into Florida.
 
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dawgs.sixpack

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i'd put our signees in the front 7 against any in the country.

and will redmond really came on this year, but stuck by his early commitment to us. his offer list is pretty loaded, and uga was pushing him hard to flip his commitment, and urban came in late trying to get him to flip to ohio st. he was probably the #1 DB on our board (of guys we had a realistic shot at) and we got him to commit early and hold off late pushes by some of the biggest programs in the conference and the country.
 
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