I hate to start an Ole Miss thread but I am regarding their LSU win...

[dawgstudent]

HD6 made a point on the podcast talking about Ole Miss's LSU win could end up being just like our UGA and Florida wins from 2010.

LSU could easily end up 8-5 if they lose to A&M this weekend. So Hugh Freeze's signature win from this season so far is against a team that might end up being not so great.

 

[geotop]

17 ole miss

 

[OzarkaNSW]

But didn't you know??

That LSU was on track to another 1 loss national championship season, and the Ole Miss powerhouse
knocked them off the rails.

Ole Miss 27 Potential National Champions 24

 

[coach66]

I don't think there is any doubt that LSU is down, Bama had no problem with them

and that is usually not the case when they are sporting a good squad. Ole Miss has a good team but they aren't that much better than us. With that said they are finding ways to win and we are not but from a pure talent level we are similar teams. I give them a big advantage on receivers and Bo Wallace is really playing well.

 

[DerHntr]

In retrospect of our wins over UGA and Florida don't look that great. At the time though, it had a lot of positives for the program. It helped with momentum, team chemistry, opinion of the program in the media, etc. I wish I could say without doubt that it helped us in recruiting. For OM, I would bet that it helps with all three of those things as well as recruiting (has already helped in the media since they can't get enough of OM these days). So, regardless of what history tells us on that win, it matters much more how well it is used at the time rather than the opinion of the win later.

 

[MSUDC11]

Not saying this will happen just because Bama will reload and Auburn isn't losing much at all, but if there's ever a year for the SEC West to be determined in the Egg Bowl, next year might be it. Both teams will be returning a ton and both have pretty favorable schedules.

 

[121Josey]

Way to not steal HD6's glory!**

That's a big IF. Since they are 7-3 at the moment, they have to lose to A&M AND their bowl game. The A&M game is played @LSU. LSU >TAMU. Did he also speculate on State finishing the year 7-6?**

Georgia (6-7), so I don't see how they factor into the equation.

UF (8-5) - Mullen coached @ UF 2 years earlier. Myer's staff gets gutted in 2008-2009. Myer mysteriously undertakes "near-fatal health problems". Mullen wins @swamp a la Vandy 2013.

 

[HD6]

You really think LSU is better than A&M?

I said 6-6, didn't make a bowl game prediction. So far, spot on. Haven't missed a single game prediction.

 

[121Josey]

As a matter of fact, I do. Seriously.** What would make me think less of LSU? Because they lost to @Bama in their 10th game of the season (not 2nd). Because they lost @UGA in the last minute - when UGA was healthy.

LSU didn't even bother preparing a gameplan for TSUN (and lost). A&M threw everything at them and barely escaped with a victory. But I have to admit that LSU is TSUN's "real rival".**

 

[os62]

While I do understand and actually agree with your post, I would point out the only difference is that LSU was ranked #6 when we beat them. I agree completely with you about how LSU may end up on the season. But as we all know, sometimes perception is not reality. However, it appeared that we beat the #6 team in the nation at the time (which technically is true). They definitely don't end up there at the end of the year, but I think that is the key difference (not saying I agree with it, though, but it is what it is).

Where were UGA and Florida ranked when yall beat them? I know Florida was ranked; not sure if UGA was. Either way, they were definitely good wins for yall because of the perceptions of both programs as being powerhouses (and rightfully so).

 

[DanielPlainview]

LSU is still 11th in the Sagarin ratings and beat Auburn. They are a pretty good team. This conference is so tough you can have a good team and still lose 4 games.

 

[1941dawg]

If that's the case what does it say about us losing to LSU by 33?

 

[GTAdawg]

I'd take this year's LSU team over both those 2010 UGA/UF teams. I think that's worth mentioning. But I do understand the point that is being attempted.

 

[57stratdawg]

Maybe, but they have a real shot at Missouri this weekend.

 

[dawgstudent]

The same thing as losing to Bama by 13.

 

[RebelBruiser]

In retrospect of our wins over UGA and Florida don't look that great. At the time though, it had a lot of positives for the program. It helped with momentum, team chemistry, opinion of the program in the media, etc. I wish I could say without doubt that it helped us in recruiting. For OM, I would bet that it helps with all three of those things as well as recruiting (has already helped in the media since they can't get enough of OM these days). So, regardless of what history tells us on that win, it matters much more how well it is used at the time rather than the opinion of the win later.

That's my take on it.

Mullen had a ton of momentum built in 2010. He didn't take advantage on the recruiting trail though, which is why he's essentially beaten every bad team and lost to every good team since 2010.

It isn't so much the comparison of the wins but what is done on the recruiting trail to make those wins a regular occurrence.

Mullen is a good coach, as evidenced by the fact that he hasn't really taken any upsets, but he hasn't upped the recruiting ante to take another step. He may end up being your version of David Cutcliffe, who is another good coach who failed to up the recruiting ante. It will be interesting to see if he does eventually take another step, and if he doesn't, if your administration handles it better than ours did.

 

[TheOMlawdog]

HD6 made a point on the podcast talking about Ole Miss's LSU win could end up being just like our UGA and Florida wins from 2010.

LSU could easily end up 8-5 if they lose to A&M this weekend. So Hugh Freeze's signature win from this season so far is against a team that might end up being not so great.

Yeah but Georgia went 6-7 and lost to Colorado and UCF that season. I get that Florida is a signature win - but GA was a bad team that year.

I guess the only difference is that MSU in 2010 had had Sherrod, McPhee, Wright and White all four got drafted that year, this doesn't count Ballard, Cox, and Mitchell that got drafted the following year.

I don't think we have a senior on the team that gets drafted this year, at least I doubt it. Now Moncrief will probably get drafted this year if he comes out early, but that is it.

I think the surprising thing is that OM has been able to play competitively against most teams not named Bama and UT last year despite not having single player drafted last year, and probably not a single senior drafted this year.

 

[coach66]

Missouri better bring their A Game or they will be headed home with a loss.

nm

 

[BlxReb]

Somehow they just get lucky when they play LSU. There is no way they could have won 3 of the last 6 meeting without a lot of luck.

 

[engie]

If our Georgia game was a signature win, their Texas game is also(probably a better win in reality)... Alot of similarities between those two...

 

[121Josey]

And don't forget the trophy. Can't forget the trophy. Not to mention that they changed their mascot to a Louisiana Black Bear in an act of solidarity.**

If there's anything the past 6 years have taught us, it's that the battle for Jeremy Liggins is not over.**

 

[dawgstudent]

They definitely do. Just funny, if it all plays out as I said above and they lose to Missouri, the "signature" win was against an 8-5 team. Kind of like Mullen in 2010.

 

[TheOMlawdog]

They definitely do. Just funny, if it all plays out as I said above and they lose to Missouri, the "signature" win was against an 8-5 team. Kind of like Mullen in 2010.

To be fair, Freeze may have 3 wins against eight win teams this year - Texas is 7-3 (might win 1 more), Vandy 6-4 has a good shot to win two more (@UT and Wake), and LSU probably win 8-9 games.

With not a single senior that is projected to be drafted.

 

[RebelBruiser]

To be fair, Freeze may have 3 wins against eight win teams this year - Texas is 7-3 (might win 1 more), Vandy 6-4 has a good shot to win two more (@UT and Wake), and LSU probably win 8-9 games.

With not a single senior that is projected to be drafted.

This is true. Vandy is likely to be 8-4, and I really think LSU beats A&M this weekend to set themselves up to win 9 or 10.

Not that it matters too much, unless you're trying to come up with reasons that Freeze won't take the next step. Mullen's failure to take the next step the last three seasons has been a recruiting issue. Time will tell if Freeze has that same issue or not. Last year's class, in terms of production, certainly is the type of class that will allow for us to compete with the big boys. The question is whether the next 2-3 classes and beyond will have that same level of productivity.

The early returns on the type of players committed and still on the board right now say this class will be the caliber needed, but there is still a long time until signing day and a longer time until the on field returns come to fruition.

You are correct to point out though that we've really had 3 quality wins this year with a possibility of a 4th Saturday, and all without a draftable senior on the roster.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

If our Georgia game was a signature win, their Texas game is also(probably a better win in reality)... Alot of similarities between those two...

WAY better. I doubt Texas finishes 6-7 with two losses to UCF and Colorado (one of the worst programs in football).

 

[Philly Dawg]

One reason to think less of LSU because they keep losing. The same reason you think less of MSU. Similar rationalizations could be made about MSU, i.e. losses to top teams, but I doubt you'd accept those if someone made them.

LSU clearly has more overall talent, but similar to MSU, has some flaws in the team this year. The defense just doesn't stack up to what they've put on the field in the past. I don't know how either LSU or A&M can stop the other team, and the game could be determined on turnovers. Having said that, I'd still place my money on the team with Manziel.