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War Machine Dawg

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Got back from Auburn in the wee hours of the morning, but just now reading the board and posting. My thoughts:

1. We don't have a single SEC CB on the roster. Period. There was a lot of kool-aid serving all spring and summer here about how Marcus Washington was improving and Damien Anderson could be serviceable. Thank God I didn't buy it. Granted, I didn't think Anderson would be SWAC bad. But he is. Where the hell is Louis Coleman? I thought he was supposed to be a player. But if he can't beat out Anderson....*shudder, hurl* It might be time to consider putting Thames at CB and burning his RS. It's early enough in the season, and he can't be worse than Anderson. There should be open tryouts for all former HS CBs tomorrow on campus. They can't be worse than what we have.

As for our Safeties, Zach Smith is Josh Morgan reincarnate. Charles Mitchell is not only our best safety, but also our best CB. Maybe it's time to consider moving him to CB for the season and starting Cam Lawrence? Just an idea.

2. We did an "ok" job of containing the running game until Auburn figured out they could torch us in the air. That opened up the running game, combined with the misdirection plays.

3. Holding the option until the 3rd Quarter was genius. Malzahn is one hell of an OC.

4. We need a DL or 2, at least.

5. Where was the blitz?? Or the 4-3?? No adjustments made by Torbush whatsoever. You aren't going to stop a team that's running it down your throat with only 3 down linemen. Then aGAIN, see 1 & 2.

6. Special teams are SPECIAL aGAIN. After the punt prior to the punt we blocked, I turned to some of the guys sitting next to me and said I thought we could block one tonight if we came for it. I had been watching their P closely and thought he was taking too long to get the ball away. Sure enough, we dialed up the block the very next punt. Excellent call by Mullen. Major props to Heath Hutchins, too. Anyone still worried about Brauchle? Don't be. Leon Berry is going to break one, maybe next week. He seems right on the verge.

7. OL looked serviceable. Not great, certainly not worldbeaters, but serviceable. Major improvement from this group.

8. WRs are improved and faster. Disappointed we never got the ball to Bumphis. Where were Elliot and Green? Why was Tyson running the Wishbone on the GL? Relf ran the 'bone in HS, and he's a helluva lot harder to tackle in a GL situation. Guess it doesn't matter if all you're doing is handing off to AD, though.

9. RBs are the strength of the team. Shocker.

10. We don't have a single SEC QB on the roster. It's painfully obvious Lee can't see over the line and can't throw over the line. He has the arm strength of a wet noodle and can't complete a pass longer than 8 yards. He's as good as he's going to get. Relf....is inexperienced. But he's got upside. We're stuck with him 2 more years. My advice: take our lumps with Relf. He ran the 'bone in HS and hasn't ever really been asked to read pass coverage or throw much before now. He worked his butt off this summer. Doesn't look like the same QB. Granted, that wasn't hard. He still sucks, but as I said, he at least has upside. It'll be VERY ugly, but I'd rather play him, develop him, and hope for the best. As I said above, Lee is as good as he's going to get. At least there's some hope for Relf. And he gives us some options running the ball that Lee doesn't.

11. Major respect for Mullen. Unlike his predecessor, he refuses to throw the players under the bus and blame the talent. Like JWS, he deflects criticism and shoulders all of the blame on he & the staff. Refreshing.

Bottom line: You can't make chicken salad with chicken ****. We've got chicken **** at 2 of the most crucial positions on the field. I'm on the verge of revising my prediction of 4-8 to 1-11. I don't know who the hell we'll beat, because any team halfway capable of passing is going to shred this secondary. Torbush better get aggressive and creative, quickly. It's a damn shame we're so bad at CB & QB, because the rest of the team is competitive. Yeah, we could use a couple more OL, but from what I saw last night, we need CBs much, much, much more. I'd love to take a cat o' nine tails to Crxxms considerably large butt. He left Mullen precious little talent to work with. The only way out of this hole is to recruit our way out of it.
 

War Machine Dawg

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Got back from Auburn in the wee hours of the morning, but just now reading the board and posting. My thoughts:

1. We don't have a single SEC CB on the roster. Period. There was a lot of kool-aid serving all spring and summer here about how Marcus Washington was improving and Damien Anderson could be serviceable. Thank God I didn't buy it. Granted, I didn't think Anderson would be SWAC bad. But he is. Where the hell is Louis Coleman? I thought he was supposed to be a player. But if he can't beat out Anderson....*shudder, hurl* It might be time to consider putting Thames at CB and burning his RS. It's early enough in the season, and he can't be worse than Anderson. There should be open tryouts for all former HS CBs tomorrow on campus. They can't be worse than what we have.

As for our Safeties, Zach Smith is Josh Morgan reincarnate. Charles Mitchell is not only our best safety, but also our best CB. Maybe it's time to consider moving him to CB for the season and starting Cam Lawrence? Just an idea.

2. We did an "ok" job of containing the running game until Auburn figured out they could torch us in the air. That opened up the running game, combined with the misdirection plays.

3. Holding the option until the 3rd Quarter was genius. Malzahn is one hell of an OC.

4. We need a DL or 2, at least.

5. Where was the blitz?? Or the 4-3?? No adjustments made by Torbush whatsoever. You aren't going to stop a team that's running it down your throat with only 3 down linemen. Then aGAIN, see 1 & 2.

6. Special teams are SPECIAL aGAIN. After the punt prior to the punt we blocked, I turned to some of the guys sitting next to me and said I thought we could block one tonight if we came for it. I had been watching their P closely and thought he was taking too long to get the ball away. Sure enough, we dialed up the block the very next punt. Excellent call by Mullen. Major props to Heath Hutchins, too. Anyone still worried about Brauchle? Don't be. Leon Berry is going to break one, maybe next week. He seems right on the verge.

7. OL looked serviceable. Not great, certainly not worldbeaters, but serviceable. Major improvement from this group.

8. WRs are improved and faster. Disappointed we never got the ball to Bumphis. Where were Elliot and Green? Why was Tyson running the Wishbone on the GL? Relf ran the 'bone in HS, and he's a helluva lot harder to tackle in a GL situation. Guess it doesn't matter if all you're doing is handing off to AD, though.

9. RBs are the strength of the team. Shocker.

10. We don't have a single SEC QB on the roster. It's painfully obvious Lee can't see over the line and can't throw over the line. He has the arm strength of a wet noodle and can't complete a pass longer than 8 yards. He's as good as he's going to get. Relf....is inexperienced. But he's got upside. We're stuck with him 2 more years. My advice: take our lumps with Relf. He ran the 'bone in HS and hasn't ever really been asked to read pass coverage or throw much before now. He worked his butt off this summer. Doesn't look like the same QB. Granted, that wasn't hard. He still sucks, but as I said, he at least has upside. It'll be VERY ugly, but I'd rather play him, develop him, and hope for the best. As I said above, Lee is as good as he's going to get. At least there's some hope for Relf. And he gives us some options running the ball that Lee doesn't.

11. Major respect for Mullen. Unlike his predecessor, he refuses to throw the players under the bus and blame the talent. Like JWS, he deflects criticism and shoulders all of the blame on he & the staff. Refreshing.

Bottom line: You can't make chicken salad with chicken ****. We've got chicken **** at 2 of the most crucial positions on the field. I'm on the verge of revising my prediction of 4-8 to 1-11. I don't know who the hell we'll beat, because any team halfway capable of passing is going to shred this secondary. Torbush better get aggressive and creative, quickly. It's a damn shame we're so bad at CB & QB, because the rest of the team is competitive. Yeah, we could use a couple more OL, but from what I saw last night, we need CBs much, much, much more. I'd love to take a cat o' nine tails to Crxxms considerably large butt. He left Mullen precious little talent to work with. The only way out of this hole is to recruit our way out of it.
 

BrandonAcctgDawg

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Couldn't agree more. I was pleasantly surprised at our offensive line play. Very dissapointed with our DE's and CB's. We don't have an SEC caliber QB, but what's new.
 

pDigital32Dawg

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I agree with your points. The only thing is I want us to avoid burning any of the guys redshirts. There isn't much we can accomplish this season winning wise with or without them.

We need to recruit heavily at every position. We are about to lose 3 running backs, we have ****** cornerbacks, we need safeties (mitchell is a one man show over there), Linebacker will need a couple and defensive and offensive lines need to be completely overhauled.
Yes there was improvement in our offensive line and I feel we are getting what we can out of them but we need some big guys on there to anchor it.
We need linemen Porkchop's size and some more big tackles. Seeing Addison Lawrence as a starter on our roster makes me shudder everytime.

Lastly Torbush, wow, he better get his **** in gear or start packing. Their running attack was absolutely brutal on us but it was stoppable we just looked like a bunch of blind squirrels out there. And it was especially painful watching how wide open their receivers and tightends could get when they did pass. They had guys open all over the field we were lucky they didn't throw it deep a couple of times when they should. I feel that we do have a few games we can win this season but it all starts with fixing this defense and cleaning up the mistakes. Penalties are starting to take their toll on us.</p>
 

FlabLoser

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Lost Pegues at safety. Isn't the rest close to the same? I think our defensive roster is not a lot different in talent than last year, except for Pegues being gone.

Our talent is not as bad as what was put on display Sat night. I blame the coaches. And I blame Torch more than anybody. That scheme sucked.
 

atlwebdawg

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we would have scored earlier with him in the game.

Agreed on the CB talent. Just looking at Auburn in person, their defensive backfield looked the part. Ours doesn't

Play #4 at FS, start playing Banks more and take #42 out of the game. We've got to get more physical in the backfield

Sure would love to have Langston back there
 

War Machine Dawg

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AJ & Maurice Langston. Both were penciled in as starters at CB, but were too stupid to stay on the team. They both apparently loved the marijuana more than football.
 

Mr Meoff

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which is to say -- nonexistent. The Auburn fans behind me commented that they have never seen one play run over and over so many times and yet CONTINUE TO WORK. I shared their amazement. They also congratulated me (seriously) on having such a great punter. I said it's obviously all the reps he gets in game situations.

Also, other notes from my game experience:

1. This was my first time to Jordan-Hare, and it surprised me how small it felt. There were 85,000 there, but somehow it seemed very similar in size to Scott Field. Maybe it's the distance from the endzone to the seats. The fans are right up on the field in those areas. It gave me a good idea how DWS will feel if they ever bowl it in.

2. I have confirmation -- the Auburn cheers are the gayest I've ever seen/heard. I don't know what "Bodda Getta" means, but if I never have to hear that **** again in my life, I'll be really excited. It made me feel a lot better about "Hold On Wait a Minute..."

3. The fans were all great. I was the only MState fan in our section, but everyone was very nice. Could be because they felt sorry for me in the second half, but regardless - great experience.

4. I noticed a strange phenomenon. The AU girls are beautiful from the waist up. I don't know what it is, but I saw dozens of girls who I thought were hot, but then when they stood up looked like my 3rd grade teacher, Sister Mary Francis, from the waist down. Even the best looking sorority girls hanging around our tailgate had cankles. Very strange. What's the opposite of a Butterface?
 

AzzurriDawg4

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At least, not based solely on last night's performance. You might have seen something I didn't, but we were running Cover-2 or some variation of a zone defense most of the game and gave Auburn all night to throw it. Not many CB's are going to look good in that situation. Not to mention most of their big completions were caught in that pocket on the sidelines behind the corner and in front of the Safety in their zone coverage. The corner had to release in most of those situations, right?

This was more about scheme and coaching. Simple as that.

Look, I am a Chargers fan, and I love the 3-4, and it works. That was not the 3-4. And you don't run 4-3 all spring and fall and come out and run 3-4 (or 3-3) all game. Throw it in on a couple of series? Sure. Whole game? Disaster. That scheme also amplified the unwarranted hype that Chaney and Wright have received over the years. These guys may be good LB's, but they are not gamechangers. Wright made a couple decent plays, one I can think of specifically, but neither show the type of torpedo-through-the-blocking, blow-up-screen-plays/options, that you see from great LBs.

All of these folks that were badmouthing Dixon after the game for some reason have lost all credibility on this board, at least all credibility with me, whatever thats worth. Overrated? Seriously? Who did you expect? A Christian Okoye/Reggie Bush hybrid? Dixon is yet another back (in a long line of backs post Porkchop Womack and Co.) that have made the most out of a really subpar situation at OL. I shudder to think what Mullen could have done with Dixon at UF.

The Mullen hazing is also ridiculous. As someone posted, we havent scored that many points on Auburn in 10+ years, and I think it is a sign of things to come. How could anyone be disappointed in that offensive output? Are we still going to stall out on some drives? 17 yes, we have Relf and Lee at QB. Get used to it. Bottom line is we are still scoring points anyway.

The only place to lay blame for this fiasco is with Torbush. We are not that much worse than last year's team on Defense talent-wise. Not 46 points. Torbush is an *** clown and he needs to go. Mullen needs to bring in someone young and motivated like he is.
 

moonlakereb

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At Ole Miss we called girls who looked great in their maximas and BMWs carfaces. You know shades make up and maybe you can see some big tits. Then when they get out and you see a big *** and fat legs. We would say carface under out breath and keep walking.
 

8dog

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I could've sworn all Croom signed were DBs and the vaunted DE/LB when he was here.
 

NutherT

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By far the best take on the Auburn game. If you think our CBs suck based on last night alone, you don't know anything about football. Our CBs were not given the opportunity to make plays. If they were getting beat down the sideline in man coverage, I could see your point, but by ****** design, they were allowing Auburn's WR's run by them. That's what's so troubling about Torbush's scheme.

Granted, he probably needed them there rather than running downfield chasing WRs while McCaleb busted outside, but it was unacceptable nonetheless. Ideally, we would have physical corners who could jam the WRs for a second or two off the snap and then react by either helping outside contain on runs or covering their guy on a pass play.

I think Washington is physical enough to do this. Not sure about Anderson. One thing's for sure, we didn't let them try it because we were too busy playing a dumb **** Cover 2 with our CBs in zone underneath.
 

AzzurriDawg4

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it is run support. They are both pretty sure tacklers (and honestly, should both probably be safeties, not CB). That zone was a huge mistake, but the bigger mistake was sticking with it the entire game. By his comments, Mullen clearly agrees. If I can fault him for anything in this game, it would be not getting on the headset midway through the 3rd and telling Torbush that if he sees another 17ing 3-3-5 zone the rest of the game he is fired. But I don't really fault him for that at this point because he was so busy making Croom's team actually look decent on offense.
 

patdog

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[b said:
AzzurriDawg4[/b]]All of these folks that were badmouthing Dixon after the game for some reason have lost all credibility on this board, at least all credibility with me, whatever thats worth. Overrated? Seriously? Who did you expect?
anybody that criticized him for the way he played against Auburn is just way off base. He played a pretty good game.

One thing about our corners and the cover 2, though. As bad as they looked in cover 2, I'm even more terrified to see how they'd have done in man coverage. They're that bad.
 

FlabLoser

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1. This was my first time to Jordan-Hare, and it surprised me how small it felt. There were 85,000 there, but somehow it seemed very similar in size to Scott Field. Maybe it's the distance from the endzone to the seats. The fans are right up on the field in those areas. It gave me a good idea how DWS will feel if they ever bowl it in.

I thought the same thing. It felt small despite holding 85,000 people. The stands were close to field and they were step. Not like you felt that you could tumble 50 rows if you slipped, but way steeper than DWS. It felt like sports arena like American Airlines Center in Dallas.

I saw GB and say somebody telling him DWS needs to have its steps made smaller by having smaller concrete rectangles put in between larger steps like they had done a JHS.

2. I have confirmation -- the Auburn cheers are the gayest I've ever seen/heard. I don't know what "Bodda Getta" means, but if I never have to hear that **** again in my life, I'll be really excited. It made me feel a lot better about "Hold On Wait a Minute..."

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I also felt it was kinda gay to have the head male cheerleader amped up on the stadium PA speakers.

3. The fans were all great. I was the only MState fan in our section, but everyone was very nice. Could be because they felt sorry for me in the second half, but regardless - great experience.

Auburn fans were nice. And talented.

LOL, saw one group on the street to the stadium holding up a poster board that said "YOU HONK, WE DRINK".
 

jacksonreb1

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that basically says you have c-usa talent on defense..at best.... how do you diss torbush. he may or may not be any good as a dcoor now, but when he was at ole miss our d's were outstanding and at unc they were tough as nails. he may have lost it all at tx a & m, but personally i think really good players make a coach look a lot better. it will be interesting to see what mullen does with torbush and whether he agrees that torbush is the problem, but he has a history as a great dcoor, and in fact got two headcoaching gigs out of it.......la tech from ole miss and unc from well unc. the guy isn't stupid and he knows some defense. why is the problem him as opposed to lack of talent??? and no i'm not mrs torbush.........just curious. LOL
 

LR1400

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jacksonreb1 said:
that basically says you have c-usa talent on defense..at best.... how do you diss torbush. he may or may not be any good as a dcoor now, but when he was at ole miss our d's were outstanding and at unc they were tough as nails. he may have lost it all at tx a & m, but personally i think really good players make a coach look a lot better. it will be interesting to see what mullen does with torbush and whether he agrees that torbush is the problem, but he has a history as a great dcoor, and in fact got two headcoaching gigs out of it.......la tech from ole miss and unc from well unc. the guy isn't stupid and he knows some defense. why is the problem him as opposed to lack of talent??? and no i'm not mrs torbush.........just curious. LOL
He has not adapted his defensive scheme to the changing offensive landscape. The offenses his defenses had to defend when he was at ole miss and UNC are not like the offenses he had to defend in the Big 12 and that he is having to defend now.
 

patdog

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My fear with Torbush is that he just doesn't know how to defend a spread offense nearly as well as he knows how to defend a conventional offense. That's the best explanation I can think of for him going from having good defenses in the 80s and 90s and terrible defenses the last several years.
 

jacksonreb1

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seems to me that defending the spread requires extremem speed and athleticism on defense as much as any "scheming". i don't claim to be a defensive coaching expert so i can't really debate the issue but, joe lee dunn looked like a genius when he had a stockpile of future nfl defensive players too. when he had c-usa talent he didn't look so smart. some of it was that the novelty had worn off but i just think....and i may get smeared here even though i'm really not trying to start a flaming war.....that right now msu just doesn't have enough real talent to be competitive. there is some but too many gaps that decent offenses can exploit.

IMO if your own boards seeming concensus of a 2-10 or even 1-11 season pan out, then it isn't really just a coaching issue, headcoach, ocoor or dcoor. or at least that seems reasonable to me.
 

AzzurriDawg4

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That we HAD to run the zone because of the inadequacy of our man coverage. However, you still have to do more to confuse/apply pressure at the point of attack. I think we all agree on this.
 

Shmuley

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that we can't play man from practices facing a guy with a career ending leg inury, a redshirt coming off major knee surgery, a juco, and a true freshman?
 

LTblows

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They found the least hetro man they could find to lead the fans in cheers. Their band's pregame hype up video was more intimidating.
 

patdog

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I actually think that's the best way to defend the spread. But you can't play that passive 3-3-5 we played. On most plays we only had 3 players lined up within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. Our linebackers were playing almost like strong safety / linebacker hybrids. If we'd played a 3-3-5 where we blitzed a linebacker on every play (but changed it up so they never knew where the blitz was coming from) and had our DBs play a little more aggressively, we'd have gotten a much better result.
 

pDigital32Dawg

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yea it is obvious there was a talent gap out there. But for our defense to perform like it did should be obvious to the viewer that it was more than just lack of talent. Torbush had guys way out of position to make the play and the few that were in position were easily overwhelmed by the wall of blockers in front of them.

Torbush has been a proven winner and at the same time a proven loser. Like Patdog said he cant defend the spread.

One thing that bothered me also is Mullen is a spread coach and yet he let our defense looked like it never had seen a spread before. I put the main blame on Torbush becasue he is our defensive coordinator but Mullen could have stepped in and adjusted it or pointed out the obvious. I just can't see how Mullen allowed this to happen.</p>