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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Samuel S" data-source="post: 129386633" data-attributes="member: 1754664">Of course, many  of our young players will contribute in the future, regardless of who is the coach.  My point is many of the players Holgorsen inherited  contributed and many of the players he recruited either left or have not.The whole argument Stewart's tenure was some sort of anomaly that left the program in dire straits is complete and utter BS. We've always suffered attrition or had recruits who never quite made the grade. We had a great deal of it under Rodriguez as well and, to a lesser extent Nehlen.   We have more of this than the truly elite programs (but not many programs that are merely above average as we are) for an obvious reason. Elite programs can look at a kid they think has  talent but academic or other issues and pass because they have the luxury of taking a different kid with similar  talent without those issues. We don't always have that luxury. The only reason we had somewhat less of it under Nehlen is that while he certainly took some chances like that, he didn't do it as much as hi successors because he was old school and his "gambles" were weighed more heavily toward taking kids who might have appeared less talented in high school but whom he thought would develop with coaching. All three of who followed have tended to take more chances on "stars" and looking good on signing day with the result that attrition ensues.  I'm not blaming any of the 3 for that. I'm saying that the argument that Holgorsen is recruiting better than Stewart is a non-starter. Recruiting (except obviously at QB) is little different than it always was. Attrition is little different. Percentage of players who contribute is little different. Distribution of players may be a bit  different in that  we have more skill players and DBs and less linemenIn other words, as I said, these facts do not support an argument for keeping Holgorsen if his W-L record disappoints. Talent and depth has not improved; it's about the same just distributed a bit differently. I think it's fairly obvious our lines on both sides of the ball are not as strong and that we have a lot of WRs and DBs now who either are or might be pretty good (It's pretty hard to evaluate the receivers this year)  We aren't likely to get a Saban or Meyer level guy (although it's not impossible Meyer started at Bowling Green and Saban at Toledo) but there is a fairly huge spread  between guys like that and guys like Holgorsen within which have a very good shot of finding a better coach. Any coach we have will have to deal with the reality of handling personnel at  a program at our levelI think there are coaches who can do that and win consistently. I don't mean winning  conference titles and making the playoffs  on  a semi-regular basis. I mean not having losing conference records more often than not and never really even looking like we should be in the discussion for a conference title.  To finally make a long story short, the bottom line is includes,  five years with no improvement, a huge problem at QB in an offense that revolves around the QB, and  the prospect of losing 7 starters on the defense.   Beyond all that, we need to be honest about whatt we have all seen, literally week in and week out for years-- that we are not a well-prepared, well-disciplined, sound fundamental football team on game days and our coach does not cover himself in glory with his decision-making during games. I find it hard to believe anyone who follows football even slightly has not noticed that.</blockquote>

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