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<blockquote data-quote="GoWVU" data-source="post: 129386661" data-attributes="member: 1457561">Great post again, Drifter.The part I excerpted above is extremely important, because I share the identical view and it dispels one of the common lies trotted out regularly by the Holgorsen jihadists.Nobody has ever asked that we roll into the Big 12 and become Oklahoma.&nbsp; However, by the same token it's not asking too much to be Kansas St...especially considering we recruit much better annually and didn't have to rebuild the program from rock bottom as Snyder was forced to do.I want to be clear on what I mean numerically by that Kansas St comparison.&nbsp; Since the Big 12 began in 1996, Snyder averaged 9 wins per year before his retirement and has averaged 8.5 per season since returning.&nbsp; They've won the Big 12 championship twice--once each before and after his hiatus.&nbsp; In addition to the 2 titles, they also reached the Big 12 title game 2 other times and finished as the runner-up.&nbsp; They're not immune from losing seasons, and may be facing another rocky one this fall, but the Wildcats have been roughly twice as likely to win 10+ under Snyder as they are to finish .500 or worse overall.Clearly Snyder is a HOF coach and nobody is asking that we have one of those.&nbsp; However, since the WVU program has recruited better than Kansas St for years it shouldn't require one.&nbsp; We're already starting from a better position, so there's no reason a good head coach shouldn't be able to at least approach those results.&nbsp; If Holgorsen were doing that, most here would be happy and his job security wouldn't be an issue.&nbsp; He is not, however, which is why other avenues need to be explored.&nbsp; If Lyons is the AD we need him to be, then he is already doing so behind the scenes as you suggested on another thread.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GoWVU, post: 129386661, member: 1457561"] Great post again, Drifter. The part I excerpted above is extremely important, because I share the identical view and it dispels one of the common lies trotted out regularly by the Holgorsen jihadists. Nobody has ever asked that we roll into the Big 12 and become Oklahoma. However, by the same token it's not asking too much to be Kansas St...especially considering we recruit much better annually and didn't have to rebuild the program from rock bottom as Snyder was forced to do. I want to be clear on what I mean numerically by that Kansas St comparison. Since the Big 12 began in 1996, Snyder averaged 9 wins per year before his retirement and has averaged 8.5 per season since returning. They've won the Big 12 championship twice--once each before and after his hiatus. In addition to the 2 titles, they also reached the Big 12 title game 2 other times and finished as the runner-up. They're not immune from losing seasons, and may be facing another rocky one this fall, but the Wildcats have been roughly twice as likely to win 10+ under Snyder as they are to finish .500 or worse overall. Clearly Snyder is a HOF coach and nobody is asking that we have one of those. However, since the WVU program has recruited better than Kansas St for years it shouldn't require one. We're already starting from a better position, so there's no reason a good head coach shouldn't be able to at least approach those results. If Holgorsen were doing that, most here would be happy and his job security wouldn't be an issue. He is not, however, which is why other avenues need to be explored. If Lyons is the AD we need him to be, then he is already doing so behind the scenes as you suggested on another thread. [/QUOTE]

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