I hestitate to link this, but what the hell...

[MrHooch]

http://www.redcuprebellio...o-people-love-dan-mullen

This article confirms to me that the majority of Rebel fans who look down their collective noses at MSU and Dan Mullen are threatened on some level by what he's achieved (and what he's been on the verge of achieving if you look at the 'close calls' from last season) in a relatively short time.

Yes I know it's an OM site, yes I know it's purposefully inflammatory, and yes it's probably Baron Munchausen... this guy still sounds scared to me.

Flame away.

 

[MrHooch]

http://www.redcuprebellio...o-people-love-dan-mullen

This article confirms to me that the majority of Rebel fans who look down their collective noses at MSU and Dan Mullen are threatened on some level by what he's achieved (and what he's been on the verge of achieving if you look at the 'close calls' from last season) in a relatively short time.

Yes I know it's an OM site, yes I know it's purposefully inflammatory, and yes it's probably Baron Munchausen... this guy still sounds scared to me.

Flame away.

 

[jackstefano]

the 2009 football Rebels. I think the guy is a good coach, but let's be candid: to call him the 3rd best coach in the league is a out there.

 

[wbc40]

Those guys are idiots.

 

[studentdawg87]

Sometimes I have to question whether the difference between them and the Spirit crowd is as great as they seem to believe.

I could gather the same opinion from either site. State sucks, Mullen sucks, our recruiting sucks, Ole Miss is the greatest university in the country, and etc.</p>

 

[DerHntr]

he MAY turn out to be that good but who the hell knows so far

 

[Coach34]

on him being an outstanding OC and then him doing a great job in his 1st season as a HC. I understand some skepticism, but all he has done in his career has been nothing but pretty damn good so far.

 

[biguglyjoe]

******

 

[LewisNixon]

except the new "meme" culture created by Gore's internet.

Anyone with a keyboard and dial-up is now a pundit.

 

[FlabLoser]

2 years before Urban Meyer won his first national championship, it would have been nuts to call him one of the top 2 or 3 coaches in the nation. But ya know what - it was true. What can't be easily confirmed can still be true.

 

[jackstefano]

Seriously, is no one supposed to ridicule the fact that Mullen is, after a 5-7 season, now viewed as a better coach than those who've won National Championships, and BCS bowls, and New Year's day bowls, and, well, bowls? There's room for such commentary.

 

[wbc40]

I didn't know Ole Miss fans considered that newspaper to be Gospel.

 

[LewisNixon]

There is no real way to win, if he does well, well, he was supposed to. If he sucks, then he is a disappointment of terrible proportion based on all the hype.

My comment was mostly to the statement that RCR was reflective of most Ole Miss fans, and it is not. Most Ole Miss fans are not terribly concerned with Dan Mullen. And I think most of the Ole Miss people in my circle think he is a good young coach with a lot of potential. And David Climer is a longtime, known idiot who thinks he is Frank Deford, but in reality is closer to Frank Drebin.

I hate to keep it real, but I call em like I see em.

 

[gravedigger]

Urban Meyer coached a national championship. He didnt win one. He may very well be one of the top 2 coaches in the nation and it would take one convincing argument to prove otherwise, however it is the SEC, it is the most talent rich state in the country football wise per captia, and it is tone of the wealthiest programs in the wealthiest conference in the the most talent rich state of Florida. Winning big there isnt PROOF you are a great coach. It's evidence.

Again, not arguing he's not a great coach. But if he were to come to State and not be able to win the conference wouldnt make him less of a coach either.

 

[ArlngtnDawg]

I didn't know Ole Miss fans considered that newspaper to be Gospel.

you dorealizethat small-town newspapers are what they base half their national championships on right? <div>
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</div><div>Sorry, I couldn't resist.</div>

 

[Dawg in a pile]

I understand some skepticism, but all he has done in his career has been nothing but pretty damn good so far.

Thing that make you go hmmm.

 

[gptdawg]

The score/statistics of last year's Egg Bowl really weren't as close as this ******* wishes they were. It coulda/shoulda been worse. That said- OM simply weren't ready to play. No excuses.

 

[patdog]

nm

 

[DerHntr]

i will be damn glad if he turns out like we all hope he will but saying he is in the top three right now based off of one 5-7 season just isn't very logical.

hell coach, you have trouble saying that stansbury is a top SECcoach after years and years of winning seasons, yet you are ready to lay down your life for mullen after one losing season

/i helped you there, you somehow missed the opportunity to turn this into a Stans argument. have at it

 

[Coach34]

anybody that watched our team last season could see how much better coached we were than in previous seasons. Like it was night and day. And we looked better coached than SC did last season- yet Spurrier has a NC and a few SEC titles.

On the flip side-

you look at a Stansbury team, and you don't exactly think "really well-coached"...but I will say he did a great job in the SEC Tourney last season. Just makes you wonder where that is all season.

Grant at Bammer however had his team looking very well-coached and managed. Will he get the recruits like a Stansbury though?

Basically in your way of thinking, to be considered a top coach in a conference you have to have years of success in your back pocket. Not everybody sees it that way.

 

[DowntownDawg]

..the first half was evenly played, but State dominated the game in the second half. Stallworth fumbles going in to the endzone. Mullen takes two knees to end the game. Hell, Ole Miss scored a meaningless touchdown down 3 scores down with 5 minutes left when McCluster gets loose. Deceptively lopsided? It was deceptively close. That game could've easily been 56-20. And let's don't act like Snead throwing picks was some big surprise. Hell, it was probably part of our offensive gameplan.

I agree that Mullen is the trendy young coach of the moment and doesn't yet deserve to be. But let's don't act like the egg bowl was a tossup and State just got lucky.

On top of that, to the best of my memory we were totally out of twogames, Alabama and Auburn. And I'll throw GT in there, because we gave no indication of being able to stop them, even though we were piling up yardage. And even against Bama, had Bumphis's kickoff return held and we tack on that early 4th quarter FG, we are down 7 in the 4th.

Against LSU, if Lee makes the decision to pitch it, Dixon walks in untouched.

Against Houston, if we don't get totally screwed on the illegal forward pass call, we take a 10 point lead over Houston early in the 3rd.

It's a 3 point game in the 4th against Florida.

And we're driving to tie Arkansas in the 4th when Dixon fumbles.

On top of that, we go up and beat a decent Kentucky team on the road and come back to do it.

I realize that at the end of the day, all that is a big bag of nothing, but people have to understand that in 2008, of our 9 losses, we were in 3 games in the 4th quarter, 2 of which were Louisiana Tech and Kentucky - games we were supposed to win - with the other being the pitcher's duel against Auburn.

In 2009, we win 2 more games, and are within one score of our opponent in the 4th quarter in 4 of 7 losses, in all cases against teams that were favored to win. On top of that, we played the toughest schedule in college football. By far. The distance between us and #2, Alabama, was the same distance between #2 and #10 in terms of percentage points.

All that said, there was massive improvement last year. Even with a 5-7 record. Mullen deserves some amount of credit. Again, I agree that all this preseason hype is ridiculous, and no way is he the 3rd best coach in the league, but he did a pretty damn good job last year.

 

[DerHntr]

Basically in your way of thinking, to be considered a top coach in a
conference you have to have years of success in your back pocket. Not
everybody sees it that way.

i prefer at least ONE year of success before I call someone a top coach in a conference. and by success i mean a winning season. the bar at MSU unfortunately is that low. go to a bowl and we should be happy. the last decade is proof of that. and don't give me the **** about "we almost won several games last year but got screwed". win the games. period.

simply put, Mullen is in the top conference in the country for football (i don't believe you will debate that point). he has not had a winning season. he has been here one year and that was his first year as a head coach. what if this year he has a similar flop to Croom in 2009? i would like to think it isn't possible but i can't say with certainty that it won't. only a massive dose of koolaid and apparently an eye test would allow someone to rationally put him in the top three coaches in the conference. if he truly rights the ship this year and has us bowling then the debate definitely swings towards us potentially having one hell of a coach on our hands. bowling in two years would be a great accomplishment after the crooked hat killed us for so long.

i can agree that he appears to have the most potential and has things going in the right direction. i am damn happy to have him at MSU too. i just don't have any koolaid available in the midwest. i'll bring a crapload back with me during christmas if I get to watch us play that extra game though.

 

[RebelBruiser]

..the first half was evenly played, but State dominated the game in the second half. Stallworth fumbles going in to the endzone. Mullen takes two knees to end the game. Hell, Ole Miss scored a meaningless touchdown down 3 scores down with 5 minutes left when McCluster gets loose. Deceptively lopsided? It was deceptively close. That game could've easily been 56-20. And let's don't act like Snead throwing picks was some big surprise. Hell, it was probably part of our offensive gameplan.

I agree that Mullen is the trendy young coach of the moment and doesn't yet deserve to be. But let's don't act like the egg bowl was a tossup and State just got lucky.

On top of that, to the best of my memory we were totally out of twogames, Alabama and Auburn. And I'll throw GT in there, because we gave no indication of being able to stop them, even though we were piling up yardage. And even against Bama, had Bumphis's kickoff return held and we tack on that early 4th quarter FG, we are down 7 in the 4th.

Against LSU, if Lee makes the decision to pitch it, Dixon walks in untouched.

Against Houston, if we don't get totally screwed on the illegal forward pass call, we take a 10 point lead over Houston early in the 3rd.

It's a 3 point game in the 4th against Florida.

And we're driving to tie Arkansas in the 4th when Dixon fumbles.

On top of that, we go up and beat a decent Kentucky team on the road and come back to do it.

I realize that at the end of the day, all that is a big bag of nothing, but people have to understand that in 2008, of our 9 losses, we were in 3 games in the 4th quarter, 2 of which were Louisiana Tech and Kentucky - games we were supposed to win - with the other being the pitcher's duel against Auburn.

In 2009, we win 2 more games, and are within one score of our opponent in the 4th quarter in 4 of 7 losses, in all cases against teams that were favored to win. On top of that, we played the toughest schedule in college football. By far. The distance between us and #2, Alabama, was the same distance between #2 and #10 in terms of percentage points.

All that said, there was massive improvement last year. Even with a 5-7 record. Mullen deserves some amount of credit. Again, I agree that all this preseason hype is ridiculous, and no way is he the 3rd best coach in the league, but he did a pretty damn good job last year.

You scored on a 4th and long play when the ball was thrown up into traffic. You scored on a pick 6 where the receiver ran a loopy route. Those things happen. It's part of the game. You have to play it both ways if you're going to play it one way. The score shouldn't have been 56-20. The score was what it was.

That's the same type of reasoning that has you turn all of your moral victories into wins and say, well we should've been 9-3. That's not the way it works. You win some close ones. You lose some close ones. In games you get some breaks, and some breaks go against you. Usually, they even out over the course of a game and the course of a season. Sometimes you have a particularly blessed game or season. Sometimes you have the opposite, but usually it balances out. The what if game is a bunch of BS.

 

[dawgstudent]

we left on the field. No reason those should not have been W's.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Urban Meyer coached a national championship. He didnt win one. He may very well be one of the top 2 coaches in the nation and it would take one convincing argument to prove otherwise, however it is the SEC, it is the most talent rich state in the country football wise per captia, and it is tone of the wealthiest programs in the wealthiest conference in the the most talent rich state of Florida. Winning big there isnt PROOF you are a great coach. It's evidence.

Again, not arguing he's not a great coach. But if he were to come to State and not be able to win the conference wouldnt make him less of a coach either.

That's always a fun argument. Nick Saban at Michigan State wasn't nearly as good as Nick Saban at LSU and Alabama.

Les Miles at Oklahoma State wasn't as good as Les Miles at LSU. Steve Spurrier at South Carolina wasn't as good as Steve Spurrier at Florida. Mack Brown is better at Texas than he was at UNC.

You can go on and on, but only a handful of coaches get to play with the stacked deck each year. That's why it's virtually impossible to rank coaches within a conference. Bobby Johnson wasn't playing with the same advantages Urban Meyer was. There are some abundantly clear ones, but for most coaches it's tough to rank them. There are a good number of coaches that would win an SEC title at Alabama or Florida and not be able to win one at Ole Miss or MSU.

 

[RebelBruiser]

You dominated LSU, but Chad Jones took that game from you by himself. Even with his performance, that game shouldn't have been close. It was a lot like our game with LSU. We dominated and LSU had no business being in the game, but somehow they found their way into it at the end. The only difference was, the last bounce went our way and it didn't in yours.

I can't think of many wins you had last year that could've easily been losses, but then again, maybe you were paying your penance for the 2007 season when you got all the breaks in about 3 wins and didn't have any bad breaks in close games all year.

 

[dawgstudent]

we had 2 fumbles in the 2nd half inside their 30 on just simple QB/RB exchanges where Tyson couldn't pull the ball back out of Dixon's grasp. He was trying to keep it himself. Houston didn't cause any of the turnovers.

Plus, the obvious blown call.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...I was responding to the charge that the score was deceptively lopsided. I agree that there is no point in playing the what if game, but what is more unlikely? A fumble by your tailback diving over the line going in or a pick 6 from your interception prone quarterback who had already thrown 2 that day and 26 all year? It's all part of the game, but there was absolutely nothing deceptively lopsided about that score.

And DS is right. LSU and Houston should be W's. The rest that I listed were games that we were competitive in. No moral victory, but a reason for optimism when you haven't been competitive like that in a long time against that schedule.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....and it literally probably cost us a bowl game. We go up 10 on them at that point at home and we probably win.