I hope we return the favor this season

[Shamoan]

It is ridiculous they didnt get a PF and ejection from this. bama gonna bama, but guess what, i think its time to send in the goon. this is the exact reason this rule was created. if this was a clean play (which, apparently, it is...rolls eyes), i hope we offer an equally clean play to send our reguards courtesy of brandon holloway.

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

I remember being so pissed about this at the game. Not only should the Bama guy have been flagged for not allow Holloway a yard to catch the ball- but this was blatant targeting of a defenseless player and helmet-to-helmet contact.

I thought we would for sure see at least a statement or something come from Birmingham, but of course nothing.

 

[msstate7]

The bama defender is immediately looking to see if there's a flag. He knew it was dirty

 

[Shmuley]

You can count on us getting that call at their place. [/fart]

 

[57stratdawg]

That's a live ball. I don't think you can be a defenseless player on a fumble.

 

[msstate7]

That's a live ball. I don't think you can be a defenseless player on a fumble.

So on any punt, the returner is open game to just light up whether the ball is there yet or not?

 

[57stratdawg]

Punt =/= kickoff. A punt isn't a live ball after it touches the ground.

 

[patdog]

You can be a defenseless player on a live play. That hit is exactly what that rule was put in place to stop.

 

[whosyourdawgy]

Defenseless player & did not allow room to catch the punt. There are 2 penalties

That's a live ball. I don't think you can be a defenseless player on a fumble.

On that play and neither was called.

 

[BirminghamDAWG]

I remember being so pissed about this at the game. Not only should the Bama guy have been flagged for not allow Holloway a yard to catch the ball- but this was blatant targeting of a defenseless player and helmet-to-helmet contact.

This was a kickoff. Therefore he doesn't have to wait on him to catch the ball. According to the targeting rule, you can't initiate contact with the crown of the head, which he did. It should have been a penalty and ejection according to my interpretation of the the rule.

 

[57stratdawg]

He's not consider defenseless in the NFL after the ball hits the ground. You're saying that's a difference between the NFL and college?

NFL Rule: (4) A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air.

 

[Confucius Say]

This was a kickoff. Therefore he doesn't have to wait on him to catch the ball. According to the targeting rule, you can't initiate contact with the crown of the head, which he did. It should have been a penalty and ejection according to my interpretation of the the rule.

Ugh, sure?

http://www.dfoa.com/attachments/article/69/2013-14_Football_Rule_Book.pdf

Rule 6, Section 4. "A player of the receiving team within the boundary lines attempting to catch a kick, and so located that he could have caught a free
kick or a scrimmage kick that is beyond the neutral zone, must be given an
unimpeded opportunity to catch the kick."


b. It is an interference foul if, before the receiver touches the ball, a Team
A player enters the area defined by the width of the receiver’s shoulders
and extending one yard in front of him. When in question it is a foul.

It is an interference foul if the kicking team contacts the potential receiver
before, or simultaneous to, his first touching the ball. When in question, it is an interference foul.


g. Contact by Team A involving a targeting foul (Rules 9-1-3 and 9-1-4) or other
personal foul that interferes with the receiver’s opportunity to catch a kick
may be ruled either as interference or as a targeting or personal foul. The
15-yard penalty is enforced at the spot where the dead ball belongs to Team
B or at the spot of the foul, at the option of Team B.

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

A kickoff is a live ball after it travels ten yards, not after it hits the ground. Hitting the ground has no effect on the ball becoming live.

 

[Confucius Say]

He's not consider defenseless in the NFL after the ball hits the ground. You're saying that's a difference between the NFL and college?

NFL Rule: (4) A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air.

See my post below. Short answer, yes. And the ball had not hit the ground at the time the Bama player struck the MSU player. It was a free kick that was in the air.

 

[Confucius Say]

A kickoff is a live ball after it travels ten yards, not after it hits the ground. Hitting the ground has no effect on the ball becoming live.

Exactly

 

[BirminghamDAWG]

Yeah you're right. I just assumed it was like an onside kick but the interference rule diminishes after the ball hits the ground. I can't really recall anytime where a player needed room to catch a kickoff, besides that one of course.

So ultimately he could have been cited for targeting, and interfearance. Alabama sucks.

 

[BulldogVetRep]

I would love to lay a lick on them like that..but that looks like football to me. I don't wanna play flag or two hand touch. We did the same to jimmy johns a few years ago on a kickoff. It's football not soccer

 

[Shamoan]

in the same regard that if you just drill someone in the chops and as he is falling, the ball hits his foot, that is not a live ball. its dead because the foul was committed as soon as the hit took place. dead ball, personal foul.

 

[Shamoan]

if this is a PF in todays game:

or this:

this is a no-brainer, which is why we need to return the favor. you dont just let a pitcher smoke one of your players with a high fastball, just like you SHOULDNT let this **** go unanswered. send in the goon to set things back level and you can be sure he is going to get ejected...which is why you use the goon.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

That's a live ball. I don't think you can be a defenseless player on a fumble.

1. It's not a fumble until after the fouls occur.
2. A pass is a live ball and you can certainly be defenseless going for one of those.

 

[BulldogVetRep]

if this is a PF in todays game:

or this:

this is a no-brainer, which is why we need to return the favor. you dont just let a pitcher smoke one of your players with a high fastball, just like you SHOULDNT let this **** go unanswered. send in the goon to set things back level and you can be sure he is going to get ejected...which is why you use the goon.

This I can agree on!! Heck with the flags lets jut return the favor. It will work itself out then..lol

 

[Shamoan]

im not saying we should do anything illegal, but since this is a legal hit worthy of no penalties, lets do exactly this:

the sec officials set that precedent not us. unfortunately, i dont think we would ever intentionally do something like this, but perhaps we should. it just pisses me off how badly bama is protected. thats all old news. i just saw the play in a cfb montage and it pissed me off all over again. if we did it, we would be painted as coward-thugs and the player would be suspended for a year and slive would make an example of us. that sec welfare check has fine print.