I just can't wrap my head around Beamer still being coach

[18IsTheMan]

Given the overall vibe of the program. I could understand if we put together some semblance of a respectable performance of Clemson and possibly won, but it was a horrifically disastrous performance. Flat. Uninspired. Unmotivated. Players obviously checked out. On top of that, there was not one thing from the post-game pressers that offered any optimism. Even given the loss, maybe the players would come and portray an attitude of being thoroughly bought into what Beamer is selling. There was none of that. The players seemed as checked out in the presser as they played. Didn't hear a single player who sounded committed to the program. Even in a disappointing season, you can come away with some things to hang your hat on. "At least next year...." But there was nothing. We could lose all of our best players to the portal, will most likely lose at least some, and at least one openly admitted to looking around at other options.

If things go totally off the rails and White leaves (he's rumored to be in contention for CCU), is there anything at all to look forward to next season? It feels like the season would be lost before it even begins.

 

[Evilchicken]

Beaner is still coach because he keeps telling the AD that he “wants” to be here. Guess that’s good enough. Rah rah

 

[SouthernBelly]

How much did he clap yesterday? I didn't get to see much. Maybe he didn't clap enough and everyone got down?

 

[Legal_fowl]

Given the overall vibe of the program. I could understand if we put together some semblance of a respectable performance of Clemson and possibly won, but it was a horrifically disastrous performance. Flat. Uninspired. Unmotivated. Players obviously checked out. On top of that, there was not one thing from the post-game pressers that offered any optimism. Even given the loss, maybe the players would come and portray an attitude of being thoroughly bought into what Beamer is selling. There was none of that. The players seemed as checked out in the presser as they played. Didn't hear a single player who sounded committed to the program. Even in a disappointing season, you can come away with some things to hang your hat on. "At least next year...." But there was nothing. We could lose all of our best players to the portal, will most likely lose at least some, and at least one openly admitted to looking around at other options.

If things go totally off the rails and White leaves (he's rumored to be in contention for CCU), is there anything at all to look forward to next season? It feels like the season would be lost before it even begins.

The schedule next year is rougher than this year. I don't see 6 wins as possible. Are we going to keep Beamer for 2 more years. May as well say it now.

 

[Cockofdawn]

The schedule next year is rougher than this year. I don't see 6 wins as possible. Are we going to keep Beamer for 2 more years. May as well say it now.

Since Beamer stayed, I am entering the portal with Stewart!!

 

[BeamerBall90]

I think he will be gone if he only wins 4 games next year. The question will be how many wins they deem acceptable for him to keep the job.

 

[gamecock stock]

My belief is that we should let Beamer go. I can kind of understand why we might not pull the trigger THIS year and just wait until next year, thinking there would not be as much competition next year. But, I believe there are good, proven Head Coaches out there we could get now. Waiting one more year is just a waste. Look at next year's schedule. Does anyone think Beamer will get through that schedule without at least 3 more losses? I'm being generous there.

As I said above, there are good, proven Head Coaches out there. How about Bob Chesney of James Madison and Blake Harrell of East Carolina just to name two? But, it's not my call.

Beamer got this job because of his last name. If Beamer was to become a huge success as a Head Coach, he would be the first son of a legendary Head Coach to do so. He won't. Cut the Nepo Baby loose.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

My belief is that we should let Beamer go. I can kind of understand why we might not pull the trigger THIS year and just wait until next year, thinking there would not be as much competition next year. But, I believe there are good, proven Head Coaches out there we could get now. Waiting one more year is just a waste. Look at next year's schedule. Does anyone think Beamer will get through that schedule without at least 3 more losses?

As I said above, there are good, proven Head Coaches out there. How about Bob Chesney of James Madison and Blake Harrell of East Carolina just to name two? But, it's not my call.

Beamer got this job because of his last name. If Beamer was to become a huge success as a Head Coach, he would be the first son of a legendary Head Coach to do so. He won't. Cut the Nepo Baby loose.

Just reassign him to a clapping analyst position and bring in the new staff. 8mil is a lot for an analyst I know but a lot cheaper than his buyout. Or let a private investigator dig around for anything to show cause.

 

[PeeCock78]

I think he will be gone if he only wins 4 games next year. The question will be how many wins they deem acceptable for him to keep the job.

Then there’s always a chance that he won’t last the entire season. Who am I kidding? Carolina doesn’t have the balls to fire him midseason.

 

[BeamerBall90]

We’ll know what chance he’ll have soon enough. Recruiting has to finish strong but more importantly he has to kill it in the portal. If we don’t bag a bunch of talent through the portal Beamer has no chance. Sure, we may not coach them up, but you have to get them first. Many of you are speculating on who will leave. They could be replaced. It will play out one way or the other.

 

[Optimus_Rooster]

Lame duck coach if players hit portal

 

[Piscis]

We’ll know what chance he’ll have soon enough. Recruiting has to finish strong but more importantly he has to kill it in the portal. If we don’t bag a bunch of talent through the portal Beamer has no chance. Sure, we may not coach them up, but you have to get them first. Many of you are speculating on who will leave. They could be replaced. It will play out one way or the other.

What, exactly, is the appeal of South Carolina to a portal player? Immediate playing time? If a player can't get playing time where he is, how good can he be? Money? We've seen what throwing NIL money at players gets, nothing much. Development? Get real.

Beamer better be a Svengali recruiting.

 

[kidrobinski]

My belief is that we should let Beamer go. I can kind of understand why we might not pull the trigger THIS year and just wait until next year, thinking there would not be as much competition next year. But, I believe there are good, proven Head Coaches out there we could get now. Waiting one more year is just a waste. Look at next year's schedule. Does anyone think Beamer will get through that schedule without at least 3 more losses? I'm being generous there.

As I said above, there are good, proven Head Coaches out there. How about Bob Chesney of James Madison and Blake Harrell of East Carolina just to name two? But, it's not my call.

Beamer got this job because of his last name. If Beamer was to become a huge success as a Head Coach, he would be the first son of a legendary Head Coach to do so. He won't. Cut the Nepo Baby loose.

One thing keeps being said that I don’t believe is true, and that’s the ‘last name’ slur. I was disappointed when we lost Shane his first go round here with Spurrier; I liked his energy, the way he related with the players, and his recruiting was off the charts. I considered it a major loss at the time, and was excited that he maybe could bring that vibe into the HC position as well, and for a while I think he did. But at no point was my support or anyone else’s including the BOT as far as I know because his father was Frank Beamer (although it certainly couldn’t hurt in terms of exposure growing up) anymore than had it been Steve Spurrier jr or Skip Holtz. The hire was from merit through familiarity.

Having said that, I don’t see him recovering from this season given everything going on.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Lame duck coach if players hit portal

He's a lame duck coach period.

We all know what is coming next season. Why we don't pull the trigger and fire him now is crazy.

I suppose we want to double down on maximizing the damage. We don't need another year to see it....the ship has sunk. It's over. Time to move on.

 

[gamecock stock]

One thing keeps being said that I don’t believe is true, and that’s the ‘last name’ slur. I was disappointed when we lost Shane his first go round here with Spurrier; I liked his energy, the way he related with the players, and his recruiting was off the charts. I considered it a major loss at the time, and was excited that he maybe could bring that vibe into the HC position as well, and for a while I think he did. But at no point was my support or anyone else’s including the BOT as far as I know because his father was Frank Beamer (although it certainly couldn’t hurt in terms of exposure growing up) anymore than had it been Steve Spurrier jr or Skip Holtz. The hire was from merit through familiarity.

Having said that, I don’t see him recovering from this season given everything going on.

At this point, it does not matter. The past is the past. That can't change. But, the future? I do agree with you that it will be difficult for him to recover from this season. Even if we go to the playoffs next season, if I was the AD, I'd want to see him put back-to-back good seasons (not necessarily playoff seasons) together before extending and raising him. The "up and down" seasons is not what should be acceptable. All that said, it's going to be hard next year with that schedule to have a better than average season. An "average" season, combined with what has happened this past season, would result in his dismissal.

 

[BeamerBall90]

Piscis
I’m not saying we will land great portal guys but we have in the past; Rattler, Wells, Kennard, and several others. My point is without a good portal haul Beamer is toast at the end of next season. I totally agree recruiting is more important. He has to nail that down as well. Unfortunately, he doesn’t have time to wait on young recruits to save the day in my scenario, which is he will be let go after next season.

 

[Uscg1984]

If it's purely an assessment based on the record, I could understand giving him another year. The problem is I see no way he can dig out of this hole in a year. The excitement around this program during the off-season is going to be nearly non-existent. Can you imagine any of our current donors _upping_ their giving this off-season? And even if you had the money to work with, how do you persuade a top player to come here after seeing what happened this year with our pre-season Heisman candidate quarterback? I hate being so pessimistic since I would love to see Beamer succeed here, but I don't see how next year will be significantly better than this one.

 

[18IsTheMan]

If it's purely an assessment based on the record, I could understand giving him another year. The problem is I see no way he can dig out of this hole in a year. The excitement around this program during the off-season is going to be nearly non-existent. Can you imagine any of our current donors _upping_ their giving this off-season? And even if you had the money to work with, how do you persuade a top player to come here after seeing what happened this year with our pre-season Heisman candidate quarterback? I hate being so pessimistic since I would love to see Beamer succeed here, but I don't see how next year will be significantly better than this one.

That's the thing. There's no glimmer anywhere. Maybe if we had some dynamo at QB waiting in the wings or something like that, but we don't.

Maybe Donati is playing some long game and has a candidate already in mind for next season who is unavailable right now for one reason or another. Can't think of any other explanation.

 

[gamecock stock]

Piscis
I’m not saying we will land great portal guys but we have in the past; Rattler, Wells, Kennard, and several others. My point is without a good portal haul Beamer is toast at the end of next season. I totally agree recruiting is more important. He has to nail that down as well. Unfortunately, he doesn’t have time to wait on young recruits to save the day in my scenario, which is he will be let go after next season.

You mention in order for Beamer to succeed next season, he needs to strike gold in recruiting. But Beamer is not the recruiter extraordinaire that his supporters tried to make him out to be 5 years ago. As I recall, that was their main argument for hiring him. At that time, I went back and looked at his recruiting and found he was Recruiting Coordinator here in 2009 and 2010. The 09 class was 11th. But the 2010 class was 51st . That's why me and many others did not buy that line for hiring him as Head Coach and, thus, did not want him hired as Head Coach. And since he has been Head Coach here, his recruiting has been no better than Holtz', Spurrier's and Muschamp's were. He is an "OK" recruiter, but nothing special. Beamer's problem is that he does not possess the coaching skills of our 2 best Head Coaches here in the past: Morrison and Spurrier. Yes, getting the "Jimmys and the Joes" is important. But you better know what to do with them and how best to use them.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Beamer is not the recruiter extraordinaire that his supporters tried to make him out to be 5 years ago. He was Recruiting Coordinator here in 2009 and 2010. The 09 class was 11th. But the 2010 class was 51st. And since he has been Head Coach here, his recruiting has been no better than Holtz', Spurrier's and Muschamp's were. He is an "OK" recruiter, but nothing special. Beamer's problem is that he does not possess the coaching skills of our 2 best Head Coaches here in the past: Morrison and Spurrier. Yes, getting the "Jimmys and the Joes" is important. But you better know what to do with them and how best to use them.

I'm ready to start cheating.

Worked for Clemson.

 

[Psycock]

Not hard to understand for me. 9-3 last year. Many coaching hires around the conference, likely to be less next year if a change is made then. Recruits seem to be sticking for the most part. Buyout. Many reasons. We will hopefully have a good OC. We have started over many times - lets see what a new OC can do. Fire him this year? No. Hotseat next year. Yes.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Not hard to understand for me. 9-3 last year. Many coaching hires around the conference, likely to be less next year if a change is made then. Recruits seem to be sticking for the most part. Buyout. Many reasons. We will hopefully have a good OC. We have started over many times - lets see what a new OC can do. Fire him this year? No. Hotseat next year. Yes.

Well, I think it's Occam's razor at this point as in pick what you think is most likely to happen....

Next years schedule is still brutal. Shane has already essentially committed us to making the playoffs next year, which is a fantasy, but I digress....

What's more likely? : 1) We fall flat on our faces again next year but worse because of a new QB, new RB, no WR's to speak of, TE's we don't utilize and a new DC because White is likely gone in a few weeks.... not to mention an OL that has ranked 120th+ in sacks allowed for the past 3 years. THREE YEARS RUNNING... and currently ranked 130th out of 134 teams.

Or: We actually do make the playoffs and all of us are forced to admit that Ray Tanner had it right all along and Beamer is the greatest coach in the universe?? It's one or the other and I'm leaning towards option #1. And if option #1 is the most likely to happen, then there is no need to wait and waste yet another season.

And I'm not arguing with you, I'm just painting a logic picture here. Beamer really doubled down on stupid several times by talking about us in the playoff picture next year. Even with a 7 win season next year, he still will have underperformed his mouth and his seat will be hot anyway......whereas if he'd just of kept his mouth shut about that, 7 wins would probably be enough for him to keep his job next year, especially if one of those wins is against Clemson. Him running his mouth was just dumb. All the way around, dumb.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Well, I think it's Occam's razor at this point as in pick what you think is most likely to happen....

Next years schedule is still brutal. Shane has already essentially committed us to making the playoffs next year, which is a fantasy, but I digress....

What's more likely? : 1) We fall flat on our faces again next year but worse because of a new QB, new RB, no WR's to speak of, TE's we don't utilize and a new DC because White is likely gone in a few weeks.... not to mention an OL that has ranked 120th+ in sacks allowed for the past 3 years. THREE YEARS RUNNING... and currently ranked 130th out of 134 teams.

Or: We actually do make the playoffs and all of us are forced to admit that Ray Tanner had it right all along and Beamer is the greatest coach in the universe?? It's one or the other and I'm leaning towards option #1. And if option #1 is the most likely to happen, then there is no need to wait and waste yet another season.

And I'm not arguing with you, I'm just painting a logic picture here. Beamer really doubled down on stupid several times by talking about us in the playoff picture next year. Even with a 7 win season next year, he still will have underperformed his mouth and his seat will be hot anyway......whereas if he'd just of kept his mouth shut about that, 7 wins would probably be enough for him to keep his job next year, especially if one of those wins is against Clemson. Him running his mouth was just dumb. All the way around, dumb.

Yeah, I really don't want a dumb head coach.

 

[Legal_fowl]

If it's purely an assessment based on the record, I could understand giving him another year. The problem is I see no way he can dig out of this hole in a year. The excitement around this program during the off-season is going to be nearly non-existent. Can you imagine any of our current donors _upping_ their giving this off-season? And even if you had the money to work with, how do you persuade a top player to come here after seeing what happened this year with our pre-season Heisman candidate quarterback? I hate being so pessimistic since I would love to see Beamer succeed here, but I don't see how next year will be significantly better than this one.

Two possibilities:

1) Donati is playing the long game because he believes we will have a better chance to hire a top drawer coach next year.

2) They actually plan to give him 2 more seasons but don't want to say it out loud.

 

[Lurker123]

I'm ready to start cheating.

Worked for Clemson.

Cheating is legal now.

 

[Lurker123]

Two possibilities:

1) Donati is playing the long game because he believes we will have a better chance to hire a top drawer coach next year.

2) They actually plan to give him 2 more seasons but don't want to say it out loud.

I was going to suggest that maybe they are just chalking up next year as a loss, letting Shane take that on so the new guy has a better first year schedule.

But honestly, with the 9 game schedule, the next years schedule wont be any better.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Beaner is still coach because he keeps telling the AD that he “wants” to be here. Guess that’s good enough. Rah rah

I have always been somewhat skeptical of the "I want to be here" mantra. Does he really want to "be here", or is it more of a
promotional statement to ingratiate himself with the Admin, and fanbase.

 

[Lurker123]

I have always been somewhat skeptical of the "I want to be here" mantra. Does he really want to "be here", or is more of a
promotional statement to ingratiate himself with the Admin, and fanbase.

As many have said, I could "want to be" a lot of places i hate for millions a year.

 

[18IsTheMan]

As many have said, I could "want to be" a lot of places i hate for millions a year.

I would sign up to be the worst coach in college football history for $1 million in a heartbeat.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

Having said that, I don’t see him recovering from this season given everything going on.

Looks like Beamer had more in his tank that most thought. Stay tuned!

 

[18IsTheMan]

Looks like Beamer had more in his tank that most thought. Stay tuned!

Fighting like a cornered cock.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Fighting like a cornered cock.

I’ve seen that film.