We're not asking for much...
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/28/i-ju...-congressman-says-ahead-of-trumps-speech.html
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/28/i-ju...-congressman-says-ahead-of-trumps-speech.html
'I just want the president to stop lying,' congressman says ahead of Trump's speech
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says U.S. Representative Ted Lieu, 33rd Congressional District of California, Democratic Party.
lol... Lieu was appointed by House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi as the Assistant Whip of the 115th Congress.
lol... He also served as a law clerk to Judge Thomas Tang of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.
lol... On September 16, 2015, Lieu and Justin Amash introduced a bill to reduce funding for the Drug Enforcement Administration's Cannabis Eradication Program, under which real estate and chattels can be seized if they have been used for marijuana trafficking and abuse.
lol... Lieu was appointed by House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi as the Assistant Whip of the 115th Congress.
lol... He also served as a law clerk to Judge Thomas Tang of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.
lol... On September 16, 2015, Lieu and Justin Amash introduced a bill to reduce funding for the Drug Enforcement Administration's Cannabis Eradication Program, under which real estate and chattels can be seized if they have been used for marijuana trafficking and abuse.
The only way he stops lying is if he stops breathing. (And please don't misinterpret that as a threat).
He provides so much entertainment. A whopper every day.
No one even talked about his whopper yesterday....how we used to always win wars....I guess he just forgot about Vietnam.
He provides so much entertainment. A whopper every day.
No one even talked about his whopper yesterday....how we used to always win wars....I guess he just forgot about Vietnam.
I truly think he has the worst grasp of history and world affairs than any President ever. Some of the things he said are ignorant. He talked about Frederick Douglass like he is still alive. Didn't know what the nuclear triad is. Talked about Russia not going back into Ukraine if he is President. Was not aware the China is not part of the TPP. Just basic stuff that anyone running for the office should know but he didn't. Then we have the lying and the bragging. He's an embarrassment.
It's pointless to try and discuss this stuff with you. You simply lack any depth of understanding of what occurred in Vietnam.
In other words, yes you were horribly wrong and have no clue what you are talking about. We know.
You and little hands donnie think we won the war.
In fact they do. We lost politically. In every instance where we had the initiative from a military stand point, we pulled back politically to seek a quicker and peaceful solution. The VC crammed the political side up our backside knowing we would lose the will for prolonged war. Throw in a sprinkling of Russian influence stateside to further sow dissent amongst the youth and Communism prevailed. We most certainly didn't lose from a military standpoint. It was a completely failed foreign policy.
Failure to achieve a political objective does not constitute a military defeat. Perhaps you could pick out some battles in Vietnam that we lost to strengthen your argument. I'm sure the board would love to read your expert take on it.
We lost the war, contrary to Trump's opinion and failed understanding of history.
Thank you for confirming my earlier statement of your shallow understanding.
Did we withdraw before coming to a conclusive and decisive victory?
Did North Vietnam maintain communist control over South Vietnam?
Did we establish a Democracy?
We lost the war, contrary to little hands donnie's belief.
the reason we didn't win Vietnam... nixonpuppet
'Rules of Engagement' is the real reason we 'lost'...
http://thevietnamwar.info/operation-linebacker-ii-christmas-bombing/
Nonetheless, under public and Congress’s pressure, Nixon had no choice but to bring Hanoi back to the negotiating table and continue its peace efforts. Two days later on December 18, he ordered the initiation of Operation Linebacker II – a 12-day aerial operation widely known as “The Christmas Bombing” to fulfill two major purposes: first, to force North Vietnam back to the negotiations; second, to prove to Thieu that the U.S. had not abandoned South Vietnam5.
Execution
Unlike most of previous air campaigns which were mainly designed to interdict supply routes from North to South Vietnam, Linebacker II was to be different. Many frustrating restrictions which previously prevented U.S. aircraft from bombing critical targets such as air bases, AAA sites were now removed. For the first time in the war, the U.S. army was allowed to employ its air power to the maximum capabilities to raze all North Vietnamese major targets located in Hanoi and Haiphong areas.
From 18 to 29 December 1972, B-52s struck Hanoi and Haiphong with F-111s and tactical aircraft providing suppression strikes on SAM sites and military airfields at night-time. In daylight, A-7s and F-4s primarily carried out the operations by using visually or long-range navigation (LORAN) bombing techniques, depending on the weather. Moreover, the U.S. army also utilized EB-66s and EA-6s to perform escort duties and the KC-135s to provide the in-flight refueling for US aircraft participating during the operation.
---hard to win the war when you're NOT allowed to actually war... had we targeted them like this five years prior it would have been over long before LB2...---
'Rules of Engagement' is the real reason we 'lost'...
http://thevietnamwar.info/operation-linebacker-ii-christmas-bombing/
Nonetheless, under public and Congress’s pressure, Nixon had no choice but to bring Hanoi back to the negotiating table and continue its peace efforts. Two days later on December 18, he ordered the initiation of Operation Linebacker II – a 12-day aerial operation widely known as “The Christmas Bombing” to fulfill two major purposes: first, to force North Vietnam back to the negotiations; second, to prove to Thieu that the U.S. had not abandoned South Vietnam5.
Execution
Unlike most of previous air campaigns which were mainly designed to interdict supply routes from North to South Vietnam, Linebacker II was to be different. Many frustrating restrictions which previously prevented U.S. aircraft from bombing critical targets such as air bases, AAA sites were now removed. For the first time in the war, the U.S. army was allowed to employ its air power to the maximum capabilities to raze all North Vietnamese major targets located in Hanoi and Haiphong areas.
From 18 to 29 December 1972, B-52s struck Hanoi and Haiphong with F-111s and tactical aircraft providing suppression strikes on SAM sites and military airfields at night-time. In daylight, A-7s and F-4s primarily carried out the operations by using visually or long-range navigation (LORAN) bombing techniques, depending on the weather. Moreover, the U.S. army also utilized EB-66s and EA-6s to perform escort duties and the KC-135s to provide the in-flight refueling for US aircraft participating during the operation.
---hard to win the war when you're NOT allowed to actually war... had we targeted them like this five years prior it would have been over long before LB2...---
I agree, we failed to meet our political objectives. Still waiting for you to show me some military defeats in Vietnam.
You are attempting to move the goal posts. Trump said we never lost wars. He was wrong.....again.
"Given the ample historical facts available, many historians are amazed this "we never lost a battle" myth persists. Part of the blame lies with certain professors, who published this myth in articles like: "Lessons of History and Lessons of Vietnam" where in 1986 U.S. Army Major David H. Petraeus wrote: "Vietnam planted doubts in many military minds about the ability of US forces to conduct successful large-scale counterinsurgencies. These misgivings do not in all cases spring from doubts about the capabilities of American troops and units per se; even in Vietnam, military leaders recall US units never lost a battle." Despite this dismal scholarship, Petraeus became a four-star General, partly due to marriage to the daughter of four-star Army General William Knowlton. General Petraeus was in charge of counterinsurgency operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and since he failed to learn from the Vietnam war, he failed in those conflicts because of myths of U.S. military invincibility."
Battle for Hill 861 - In 1967, Bravo Company, 1st battalion, 9th Marines went to search for caves on Hill 861. After a skirmish, the company attacked up the hill without knowing that it had encountered a large enemy force. Most of Bravo was wiped out and the survivors were pinned down until rescued by Kilo company that night.
http://www.g2mil.com/lost_vietnam.htm
Operation Paul Revere IV - Two cavalry battalions swept the Cambodian border area in search of the enemy. None were found, until Company C ran into a large force near Duc Co. Details are scarce, but two platoons were overrun and destroyed; only one soldier survived. The American dead were so numerous that they were hauled away in external cargo nets by helicopters.
http://www.g2mil.com/lost_vietnam.htm
Just a clip from Back To School re: WWII. I certainly didn't intend any dishonor to our fallen. In the clip the idea was DAMN STRAIGHT! Funny flick, check it out some time.
Had not read about Revere IV, I will admit, I am wrong in that we did indeed lose a battle then. I will maintain we did not suffer a military defeat in Nam and that it was a political defeat.