I just want to point this out. Still pissed as hell.
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...is that Minnesota's conference tournament run was apparently taken into consideration. Ours wasn't. I'm still pissed too.
there is a 50+ point allowance to all RPIs in that conference.
everyone who knows basketball knows that even northwestern could beat kentucky... because big 10, acc, big east know basketball.
/sarcasm off.
everyone who knows basketball knows that even northwestern could beat kentucky... because big 10, acc, big east know basketball.
/sarcasm off.
Michigan State's RPI is two points lower than Vanderbilt. Purdue is probably not even a top 40 team without Hummel. Hell, Kentucky without Wall would probably beat a Hummelless Purdue by 10-15 points. Can we play Kentucky without Wall? Please NCAA? Can we play Kentucky without Wall in front of 25K Kentucky fan? Please?
17shitcockballs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17shitcockballs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The NCAA clearly moves the target each year to fit their ******** brackets. 20 wins used to be one of the benchmarks, then it was the final 10 games of a season, now it's the "overall body of work." Minn makes a run, gets their *** handed to them by OSU, gets a bid. MSU makes a run, gets snubbed. Tenn beats the #1 and #2 ranked teams inAmerica thisseason, gets their *** handed to themand end up a 6 seed.
I despise the NCAA as much as I despise Congress.
I despise the NCAA as much as I despise Congress.
Woof Man Jack said:
Actually they move it team to team as well and case to case in a given year.
Honestly, I think they would do better to come up with a formula that everyone agrees to, and then let the formula dictate selection and seeding. I think a combination of about 8 computer polls throwing out the best and worst for each individual team would be the best way to go, similar to the way the BCS computer part works.
That way you have no gripes. Everyone knows in advance what factors pay off and which ones don't. There is no eye test. You either win enough or you don't. You could do that for the at large bids and be fine given that you have 34 at large bids. I'm against computer polls for football because it's only 2 teams and computer polls aren't as good as the eye test for a 12 game season to be able to select 2 teams. For a 30+ game season and 34 teams, computers would be fine. Eliminate the committee, and everyone knows in advance how it's playing out. No drama.
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except for the polls, but hey, that's just reality. Everybody bitches about the BCS but it's the fairest the bowl system will ever be. At some point, even in a playoff, you have to cut the number of teams getting in. Using hard numbers is about as fair as it will ever be.
The committee almost takes wins and losses out of the equation. The "eye test" is complete ******** (I say that even though it probably favored MSU this year). It's not about who people think is the best team, it's about who wins the games. Unfortunately MSU didn't do it, and they paid the price.
So in a way I guess I'm saying I'm not that pissed that we didn't get in. But Florida?
The committee almost takes wins and losses out of the equation. The "eye test" is complete ******** (I say that even though it probably favored MSU this year). It's not about who people think is the best team, it's about who wins the games. Unfortunately MSU didn't do it, and they paid the price.
So in a way I guess I'm saying I'm not that pissed that we didn't get in. But Florida?
heh...then we'll have acoach figuring out that he needs to dropSE TexasState by 43 in order toget an advantage.RebelBruiser said:
I think the eye test has some merit. Is the better team the one who loses in OT to the #2 team in the nation or the team that beats the No. 30 team by 2 points?
Granted you have to win games to get consideration but I don't like that the RPI for instance doesn't take into account margin of victory or loss. I'm sure there are computer ratings out there that do take that into consideration. I've love to see how we fell into some of those versus some of the other at large teams.
Granted you have to win games to get consideration but I don't like that the RPI for instance doesn't take into account margin of victory or loss. I'm sure there are computer ratings out there that do take that into consideration. I've love to see how we fell into some of those versus some of the other at large teams.
BulldogBlitz said:
That, or you'll see fewer coaches scheduling SE Texas and the like. I'm just saying I think there is a better way because the committee sets a moving target. It's still well better than football because at least the teams having a gripe (Illinois, MSU, Va. Tech, etc.) had no shot at the national title anyway.
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I know that info is out there, but yeah I'm just too lazy to look it up. Seems like you enjoy all that research.
they made it and were the second 11 seed to make it ever. Don't think a 12+ has gotten that far. To win it all I want to say Villanova at an 8 in 1985 was the highest ever. Though NC State at a 6 seed is pretty high under jimmy v.
Florida and Minnesota.<div>
</div><div>Florida benefitted from playing Michigan State in a Holiday Classic deal. Normally a match-up with UCLA would rival that, but its not MSU's fault UCLA had one of their worst seasons in years.</div><div>
</div><div>I'm pretty sure the SEC and the TV networks set the SEC/Big East Invitational - Florida gets Syracuse, MSU gets Depaul. Again, not MSU's fault so trying to argue that point is stupid.</div><div>
</div><div>It's also not MSU's fault that Florida got to play UK, UT, and Vandy twice which had to help their strength of schedule.</div><div>
</div><div>So it comes down to two games on Florida's schedule where someone could TRY and make an argument that they scheduled better - Florida State, an in-state rival, and NC State.</div><div>
</div><div>The big wart that Florida has is losing 4 of their last 5 - including MSU on a neutral floor. Billy Donovan is very lucky he's not looking at three straight NIT's coming of back-to-back NC's.</div><div>
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</div><div>Florida benefitted from playing Michigan State in a Holiday Classic deal. Normally a match-up with UCLA would rival that, but its not MSU's fault UCLA had one of their worst seasons in years.</div><div>
</div><div>I'm pretty sure the SEC and the TV networks set the SEC/Big East Invitational - Florida gets Syracuse, MSU gets Depaul. Again, not MSU's fault so trying to argue that point is stupid.</div><div>
</div><div>It's also not MSU's fault that Florida got to play UK, UT, and Vandy twice which had to help their strength of schedule.</div><div>
</div><div>So it comes down to two games on Florida's schedule where someone could TRY and make an argument that they scheduled better - Florida State, an in-state rival, and NC State.</div><div>
</div><div>The big wart that Florida has is losing 4 of their last 5 - including MSU on a neutral floor. Billy Donovan is very lucky he's not looking at three straight NIT's coming of back-to-back NC's.</div><div>
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our situationtoday.. the W against DePaul or an L against Syracuse?Even though I'd rank us #1 seed in theTourney.... I don't think we'd beat Syracuse this year.Ol Blue said:
they didn't start seeding until 1979. They had 40 teams in 1979 (4 regions with seeds 1-10), 48 from 80-82 (4 regions seeded 1-12), 52 in 1983 (4 play ins for the 12 seeds), 53 in 1984 (4 play ins for 12 seeds and 1 play in for an 11 seed), and 64 from 85-2000 (16 seeds), with 65 since then.
The highest seeded champion since 1979 was Villanova in 1985 as an 8 seed. NC State and Valvano won it all as a 6 seed in 1983, and Kansas won it as a 6 seed in 1988. Outside of that, it's been 18 one seeds, five 2 seeds, four 3 seeds, and one 4 seed (1997 Arizona). So, the national champion is going to come from the 1, 2, and 3 seeds almost every year.
George Mason in 2006 and LSU in 1986 both made it to the Final Four as 11 seeds. That's the highest seed in the Final Four ever. In 2000, two 8 seeds made the Final Four (Wisconsin and UNC). Virginia made it as a 7 seed in 1984. UCLA made it as an 8 in 1980, and Providence made it as a 9 in 1979. Everyone else has at least been a 6 seed, with six of those advancing to the Final Four since 1979.
The highest seeded champion since 1979 was Villanova in 1985 as an 8 seed. NC State and Valvano won it all as a 6 seed in 1983, and Kansas won it as a 6 seed in 1988. Outside of that, it's been 18 one seeds, five 2 seeds, four 3 seeds, and one 4 seed (1997 Arizona). So, the national champion is going to come from the 1, 2, and 3 seeds almost every year.
George Mason in 2006 and LSU in 1986 both made it to the Final Four as 11 seeds. That's the highest seed in the Final Four ever. In 2000, two 8 seeds made the Final Four (Wisconsin and UNC). Virginia made it as a 7 seed in 1984. UCLA made it as an 8 in 1980, and Providence made it as a 9 in 1979. Everyone else has at least been a 6 seed, with six of those advancing to the Final Four since 1979.