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horshack.sixpack

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I've jumped off the fence and decided that we keep Dan for two more years. He will either prove that he is a good coach and that it takes time, and a down season or two, to build a consistent winner.

Lou Holtz couldn't breathe life into South Carolina in 5 years. Steve Spurrier has been there since 2004 and only within the last 2 - 3 years have they appeared ready to compete with the SEC elite, although some could argue that the East has been down to allow SC to be up...

I'm not sold on Dan, but the coaching carousel hasn't been the answer either. Sylvester "golf cart" Croom got 4 years! Dan is at least twice the coach. I say he gets 7 years.

For the record, I would've fired him after OSU this year if I had been given the keys to the kingdom...
 
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cheewgumm

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Is hate to see what our team is going to look like after 8 yrs of 13th place recruiting in comparison to the rest of the sec.

horshack said:
I've jumped off the fence and decided that we keep Dan for two more years. He will either prove that he is a good coach and that it takes time, and a down season or two, to build a consistent winner.

Lou Holtz couldn't breathe life into South Carolina in 5 years. Steve Spurrier has been there since 2004 and only within the last 2 - 3 years have they appeared ready to compete with the SEC elite, although some could argue that the East has been down to allow SC to be up...

I'm not sold on Dan, but the coaching carousel hasn't been the answer either. Sylvester "golf cart" Croom got 4 years! Dan is at least twice the coach. I say he gets 7 years.

For the record, I would've fired him after OSU this year if I had been given the keys to the kingdom...
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muddawgs

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We have finished in the top 25 in recruiting the last 2 seasons

cheewgumm said:
Is hate to see what our team is going to look like after 8 yrs of 13th place recruiting in comparison to the rest of the sec.
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We ain't getting any better than that. Unfortunately, we don't have white girls that like to swallow. Finishing in the top 25 every season, should allow you to compete in most games and win tough games at home. Like I've said, next year is our year to shine if we are going to do it under Mullen.
 
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121Josey

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horshack said:
I've jumped off the fence and decided that we keep Dan for two more years. He will either prove that he is a good coach and that it takes time, and a down season or two, to build a consistent winner.

Lou Holtz couldn't breathe life into South Carolina in 5 years. Steve Spurrier has been there since 2004 and only within the last 2 - 3 years have they appeared ready to compete with the SEC elite, although some could argue that the East has been down to allow SC to be up...

I'm not sold on Dan, but the coaching carousel hasn't been the answer either. Sylvester "golf cart" Croom got 4 years! Dan is at least twice the coach. I say he gets 7 years.
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Spurrier > Holtz > (huge gap) > Mullen > Croom > very few

Spurrier's success corresponds to the 2009 fall-out of Florida. Spurrier should than Dan Mullen, Billy Gonzalez, and Charlie Strong for his success. See here.

The problem with the coaching carousel is that State hires coaches with no head coaching experience.

I hate Bleacher Report, but they got it right on Dan at the end of the 2010 season. Read Here.
 
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BigDog72.sixpack

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Great story and how true. Just curious, what is Dan's buyout at the end of this season?

I thought I heard someone say 1.7 million. Hell, we could pay that out and probably get Hudspeth, or even Petrino, for a Mill.
We would be equal to what Dan is getting paid now and get new blood.
 
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horshack.sixpack

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I don't know enough about what the different staff folks actually contribute to do that. I guess I'm at the point that either Dan is not a good coach or we are just having a down year. I've seen enough good from him in the past to make me want to see if this might be a case where supporting him through a down year pays dividends. If we had ever had a long term sustained success in football, I'd probably point to that recipe...
 
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horshack.sixpack

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Semi-agree with the Bleacher Report. On the one hand, we paid for wins over poor quality. On the other hand, we proved that we were willing to pay for winning games. Despite all of that, and the fact that $2.6MM is a bunch of salary to not be getting the job done for two years straight, we still pay our head coach and assistants near the bottom of the SEC. Seems to me the best solution is a pay package that is tied to performance.
 
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esplanade91

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I'm 1000000% fine with keeping Mullen if we clear house. A lot of assistants need to go, and MSU needs to pony up some cash to get better ones than before. Make sure one of them is a guy who can knock Dan down a peg or two, ala Hud. Asst HC? Boom! Problem fixed. Genius.
 
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Slippery Pete

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So who would you send packing? I wanna keep Knox and Turner. Not sure about Townsend or Gonzales yet. If what they say about Mullen "dog cussing" his assistants in front of players is true (this may have already been addressed and toned down), then how do you attract good assistants? I'm thinking Hud left for this very reason.
 
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Strike.sixpack

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I would definitely keep Townsend and Gonzales as well. Gonzales has too good of a recruiting track record to not give him through next year to see who he can land. I like what I see from Townsend on the field and it seems the recruits are taken with him already. Honestly I wouldn't touch the defensive staff this year. That side needs a year of stability.
 
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esplanade91

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For better or worse you have to keep the defensive staff. I like the DL coach, I like the coaches in the secondary, and Collins' linebacker skills give him a 2nd year in my mind. I don't think there's been one year in Mullen's tenure without a turnover on D.

Knox and Gonzales can stay. Remove everyone else. If you pay, they will come.
 
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Strike.sixpack

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I agree offense is the area of concentration. If we pony up the money and if he and Dan can incorporate what they know about spread concepts I would make a run at Jeff Tedford. I don't think he is even coaching any where right now. He's been a great QB coach as well.
 
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121Josey

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Strike said:
I If we pony up the money and if he and Dan can incorporate what they know about spread concepts I would make a run at Jeff Tedford. I don't think he is even coaching any where right now. He's been a great QB coach as well.
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I see that USCw has already made a run at him in a sort of offensive advisor role.
Tedford was fired by Cal last November in a move that angered former quarterback Aaron Rodgers and others. He was 82-57 in 11 seasons as the Golden Bears' head coach. He took Cal to bowl games in eight of nine years from 2003-11. The program had only 13 bowl appearances in its history before Tedford arrived in 2002.
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Also, not slighting your post, but I think that we should bring in a specialist to teach Dan a new poker face. Potential candidates are...

 
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rabiddawg

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[SUB]to my knowledge Holsth and Spurrier never received the ***-whoopins to the tune of 30-40 points at any point in their tenures. I think most here would be happy with a team that is competitive and plays hard to the end. We have neither. But we definitely have a team that seems to love have 30-40 point defeats. [/SUB]
 
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Strike.sixpack

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I vote for the Cower look if we get the Stash as well. EPIC!!!

I figured Tedford might get several offers this year. He can be picky because I think he has a good bit left on his Cal buyout. If he is even interested in getting back into coaching at a coordinator level. I have to admit, depending on the school, I would take a long hard look at him as a head coach still.
 
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Hankp22

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Terrible.

horshack said:
I've jumped off the fence and decided that we keep Dan for two more years. He will either prove that he is a good coach and that it takes time, and a down season or two, to build a consistent winner. Lou Holtz couldn't breathe life into South Carolina in 5 years. Steve Spurrier has been there since 2004 and only within the last 2 - 3 years have they appeared ready to compete with the SEC elite, although some could argue that the East has been down to allow SC to be up... I'm not sold on Dan, but the coaching carousel hasn't been the answer either. Sylvester "golf cart" Croom got 4 years! Dan is at least twice the coach. I say he gets 7 years. For the record, I would've fired him after OSU this year if I had been given the keys to the kingdom...
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You contradicted yourself several times and then went on attempting to compare Mullen, Spurrier and Holtz. As stated in the subject line, your post was terrible. Regards, Hankp22
 
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horshack.sixpack

horshack.sixpack

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If you think the post was comparing Holtz and Spurrier to Mullen, I can't help you. It was contrasting them. It is clearly about the fact that neither Holtz nor Spurrier could make SC competitive in a short time frame and they are obviously better coaches (based on their history) than Mullen. To help those who are implicitly impaired, it suggests that even with a Spurrier, we'd likely not be in much better shape at this point. Again, the implication here is that SC and MSU are similar with regards to coming from the bottom of the SEC and trying to become relevant. Of course that is all speculative. I don't want to shake anyone's foundation here, but sports message boards are rife with speculation and opinion...
 
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