I love the selective memory of "Richard the Great" (w/o SECT)

[MemphisMaroonClubDog]

Lets just take a quick look at his SEC Tourney results:

1987 0-1. lost to LSU by 14
1988 0-1. lost to UGA by 21
1989 0-1. lost to UGA by 15
1990 0-1. lost to Ala by 15
1991 0-1. lost to #12 seed UT by 17, we were the #1 don't forget.
1992 0-1. lost to Vandy by 22
1993 0-1. lost to UGA by 31
1994 1-1. beat UT by 4, lost to UK by 19
1995 0-1. lost to UF by 16 (Sweet 16 year)
1996 3-0. swept all games, none close. Final Four year
1997 0-1. lost to Vandy by 6
1998 0-1. lost to UGA by 3

So, for his gloriously remembered career, he was 4-11. He actually only won a game in TWO SEC TOURNAMENTS!!! What kills me more than anything was the way we got killed in these games. Hell, we were the #1 seed in 1991 playing #12 UT and they torched us. That is why we ended up with a #8/#9 seed...

 

[maroonmania]

RW - 2
RS - 0

Seriously, to about 95% of this board, that's the ONLY issue that matters. It seems going 0-30 up to making the NCAA tournament and bowing out in the first weekend are all equivalent seasons around here.

 

[bendog]

I will give Stansbury credit for the fact that he has performed well in it. I have definitely enjoyed the two times that we have won it. But in the grand scheme of things, it is far less important than the regular season and the NCAA tournament.

It seems to me that in recent years the selection committee has put more emphasis on the regular season, and less and less stock in conference tournament wins when deciding on at-large berths. Unless you win the whole damn tournament, it seems to be harder to "make your case" in the conference tournaments if the case hadn't already been made BEFORE the conference tournament.

So while Stansbury clearly has outperformed Williams when it comes to the SECT, to me it's really not THAT important.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Apparently we could go 0-31, and then win 4 straight in the SECT and that would qualify as a ballin-*** season by the standards of some of you. Seriously, the SECT is cool and all, but it means jack **** unless you need a few extra Ws to get into the Dance or are a ****** team and win it to get into the Dance

 

[Coach34]

Apparently we could go 0-31, and then win 4 straight in the SECT and that would qualify as a ballin-*** season by the standards of some of you. Seriously, the SECT is cool and all, but it means jack **** unless you need a few extra Ws to get into the Dance or are a ****** team and win it to get into the Dance

the SEC Tourney is a very small part of the basketball season- March is what matters <span style="text-decoration:underline">most</span>

 

[patdog]

But the point he's making is that other than those 13 months from March 1995 to March 1996, Richard Williams was the worst tournament coach in the history of college basketball. In addition to the SECT losses, he had an NIT 1st round loss to Kansas St., an NIT 2nd round loss to New Orleans (not the Hornets, the Privateers), and an NCAA 1st round loss to Eastern Michigan on his record. The K-State loss actually wasn't that bad of a loss, but UNO and Eastern Michigan??? Even Stans's "inexcusable" NCAA losses were a lot better than those.</p>

 

[GloryDawg]

No way they get invited to the NCAA tournament with out it.</p>

 

[MemphisMaroonClubDog]

for most of us that witnessed it first hand. To remember it so fondly because of the two great years he had is only more frustrating to me. The SOB was a great tourney coach IF (HUGE IF) he could get through the first game of a tourney.

Other than that, he was terrible. IN EITHER TOURNEY!!!

I NEVER BROUGHT UP A COMPARISON TO RICK STANSBURY! THIS WAS COMPLETELY ABOUT THE GLORIFICATION OF RICHARD WILLIAMS

 

[klerushund]

FINAL 17ING FOUR...look up the next time you're in the Hump. It's next to those Sweet 16 banners (those are Richard's too).<div>
</div><div>The '96 Final Four is the greatest athletic achievement at State in my lifetime and I'm in the midst of my 4th decade.</div><div>
</div><div>8 of the 14 teams in our own damn conference have never been to a Final Four in their school's history.</div><div>
</div><div>Richard Williams put MSU on the 17ing map.</div><div>
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[klerushund]

...if you had to permanently wipe one coach's achievements from the history books who would you choose?<div>
</div><div>Richard Williams or Rick Stansbury?</div><div>
</div><div>PS - If we could choose any coach from any sport I'd choose Shira...</div><div><div>
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[Goat Grindin]

Are you now trying to say that the SECT doesn't matter, in an effort to further your agenda against Stans? I can see through that **** a mile away.

Just because we got screwed in 2010 doesn't mean conference tournaments don't matter. "In the grand scheme of things", as you say, I would argue that the tournaments are a little OVER rated in the committee's eyes. Arkansas got in the NCAAs in '07 after beating us in the SECT and they had a 7-9 conference record. Gary Ervin, anybody?

 

[fishwater99]

Follow that up with the Sweet 16 in 1995 and the Final 4 in 1996 and that's some pretty damn good memories for me...
You Stans backer tend to forget that Dick Williams put us on the map, and how bad we really were when he took over in 1986..
Yes, Stans has had a better overall tenure at State than Dick, but who do you think started our recent success in Basketball??

 

[AROB44]

from MSU and I belive that the ONLY reason we did not win a national championship during the Babe era was the insane policy of not playing teams with black players. If you remember in 1963 when we finally went to the NCAAs, only 16 teams were even in the tournament (can you say sweet 16). The previous year (1962) we had the best record in the country and I seriously believe that if we had gone that year we would have won it all.

I think 1996 was a great year....but absent that year I think RW sucked !!!!

 

[patdog]

Without Stans: 1 Final Four,2 Sweet 16s, 4 NCAA tournaments, 5 SEC titles, 1 SEC tourney title.
Without Williams:0 Final Fours,0 Sweet 16s,8 NCAA tournaments,5 SEC titles,3 SEC tourney title.

Think about it this way. Throwing away the top 2 seasons for each coach, which would you rather endure watching for 12 years? 1 NCAA and 2 NITs or 5 NCAAs and 3 NITs? No doubt we were on top of the world for 2 years with Williams and we'll almost certainly never match that again. But there was a lot of long periods of suffering too.

 

[maroonmania]

now THAT was torture.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

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[MemphisMaroonClubDog]

that season... year before the expansion.

 

[engie]

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