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[DancingRabbit]

Amazing all the archives are still intact and the search feature works like a charm.


Coach34 1/16/2011
I'd say it's 50/50 at best Russell is even the back-up in 2011.


Coach34 1/26/11
Prescott is probably a better passer than Relf right now and runs the ball better than Russell. What he doesnt have is experience against SEC competition and maturity.
I havent seen Farvuh- but I do know the coaches are very high on him. He makes plays every time he has a chance to.


Coach34 1/27/11
The QB position at Miss State now is for a player that is mobile. That is not going to change.


Coach34 1/27/11
Mullen brought Russell in because he had no other options at QB, and we were short on QB's at State. We had a midget and that was it. Carroll was leaving. Mullen was desperate for a QB. Of course he is going to say he will change the offense to suit the QB- he cant say anything different or Russell would transfer. Now we are better off and if he transfers, its ok.


Coach34 1/27/11
I'm saying that the passing from both will be close, but the running wont- and that will put Prescott as the starter over Russell. Russell would have to be head and shoulders better than a QB that can also run to be the starting QB. He wont be head and shoulders above Prescott as a passer- if at all. C34 1/27/11


Coach34 1/27/11
ok- I PREDICT Prescott will be the starting QB in 2012. He already has him beat as a runner- now all he has to do is adjust to facing defenses- and he gets not 1, but 2 Springs to do it.




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missouridawg 4/10/11
Why doesn't Russell transfer? It's almost time for him to fish or cut bait.


And here's why Favre won't be our starter in 2012. Dak Prescott.


Depth Chart Predictions:
2011
1) Relf
2) Favre
3) Russell


2012 (this year will start with Prescott/Favre/Russell sharing snaps... by bowl game time, Prescott will be driving the boat)
1) Prescott
2) Favre
3) Russell




Coach34 4/10/11
after watching us Saturday- he really does need to


Favre aint bad- and is more mobile than him. Mighty Mouse threw a couple of really good passes. Prescott is going to RS and mature this year it appears, and will be a force in 2012.


What is best for Tyler Russell is to go juco and then sign somewhere else with a more conventional offense.


What is best for Miss State is for him to stay here as a solid back-up in case one of the other guys gets hurt.


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Coach34 4/11/11
Tyler Russell cant get the job done at QB in our offense. A year from this coming October you will see that I was right. Until then, keep hope alive that the slow QB that holds the ball too long is going to start over Favre and Prescott. Good luck.




Coach34 4/11/11
I wont be surprised at all if Prescott takes the job by 2012- he already has him beat running the ball...and as we know- if the passing is close- Mullen will play the better running QB.

 

[missouridawg]

I was clearly wrong on Russell and quite happy that I was. He has developed quite nicely since his redshirt freshman year.

 

[57stratdawg]

Mullen was pretty clear that we were going to throw the ball much more after Relf left. I remember him saying something like "When you have QBs like Tyler Russell and Dylan Farve (haha), you've got to throw the ball more."

 

[DancingRabbit]

Sorry, you were collateral damage here for context purposes.

 

[missouridawg]

No apology needed. When I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it.

I will say this... I do think calling someone out when you weren't taking the opposite side of the argument is cheap. It's one thing to be right and bring it up.... It's another thing to never take a stance or position and only point out things when people are wrong.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

No apology needed. When I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it.

I will say this... I do think calling someone out when you weren't taking the opposite side of the argument is cheap. It's one thing to be right and bring it up.... It's another thing to never take a stance or position and only point out things when people are wrong.

That's the biggest crock of **** I've ever seen.

Go ahead and admit you are wrong.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

Amazing all the archives are still intact and the search feature works like a charm.


Coach34 1/16/2011
I'd say it's 50/50 at best Russell is even the back-up in 2011.


Coach34 1/26/11
Prescott is probably a better passer than Relf right now and runs the ball better than Russell. What he doesnt have is experience against SEC competition and maturity.
I havent seen Farvuh- but I do know the coaches are very high on him. He makes plays every time he has a chance to.


Coach34 1/27/11
The QB position at Miss State now is for a player that is mobile. That is not going to change.


Coach34 1/27/11
Mullen brought Russell in because he had no other options at QB, and we were short on QB's at State. We had a midget and that was it. Carroll was leaving. Mullen was desperate for a QB. Of course he is going to say he will change the offense to suit the QB- he cant say anything different or Russell would transfer. Now we are better off and if he transfers, its ok.


Coach34 1/27/11
I'm saying that the passing from both will be close, but the running wont- and that will put Prescott as the starter over Russell. Russell would have to be head and shoulders better than a QB that can also run to be the starting QB. He wont be head and shoulders above Prescott as a passer- if at all. C34 1/27/11


Coach34 1/27/11
ok- I PREDICT Prescott will be the starting QB in 2012. He already has him beat as a runner- now all he has to do is adjust to facing defenses- and he gets not 1, but 2 Springs to do it.




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missouridawg 4/10/11
Why doesn't Russell transfer? It's almost time for him to fish or cut bait.


And here's why Favre won't be our starter in 2012. Dak Prescott.


Depth Chart Predictions:
2011
1) Relf
2) Favre
3) Russell


2012 (this year will start with Prescott/Favre/Russell sharing snaps... by bowl game time, Prescott will be driving the boat)
1) Prescott
2) Favre
3) Russell




Coach34 4/10/11
after watching us Saturday- he really does need to


Favre aint bad- and is more mobile than him. Mighty Mouse threw a couple of really good passes. Prescott is going to RS and mature this year it appears, and will be a force in 2012.


What is best for Tyler Russell is to go juco and then sign somewhere else with a more conventional offense.


What is best for Miss State is for him to stay here as a solid back-up in case one of the other guys gets hurt.


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Coach34 4/11/11
Tyler Russell cant get the job done at QB in our offense. A year from this coming October you will see that I was right. Until then, keep hope alive that the slow QB that holds the ball too long is going to start over Favre and Prescott. Good luck.




Coach34 4/11/11
I wont be surprised at all if Prescott takes the job by 2012- he already has him beat running the ball...and as we know- if the passing is close- Mullen will play the better running QB.

So it would appear that Peachbowl thinks this Dak guy is the better runner.

 

[missouridawg]

Clean off those bifocals and look up about 8 inches.

 

[RC3]

You can put me in the camp that had concerns that he would not develop

As many hoped he would. Well I was wrong. When I first watched him play in spring games and such he just didn't look like he had 'it' to me. He has improved dramatically since arriving on campus. He got to play sparingly and that has helped him develop as well. Just an ideal situation for developing a qb. I still have concerns regarding his durability but so far, so good. And now we get the chance to develop dak properly as well

 

[mcdawg22]

You don't realize how awesome that is.

Hell, I know Rusell had one decent game but, I'll tell you this. We have a parade all-American at QB. He sat on the bench for three years and never mentioned the word transfer. He steps back in the pocket with ease and his feet are set gorgeously. Tyler may throw 3 to 1 picks from here on out, but I doubt it and coach, I hope Prescott is as patient as Tyler and is able to take over the reigns in 2014 in our awesome new stadium.

 

[Chesusdog]

Clean off those bifocals and look up about 8 inches.

I think this belongs in the Troy Trojans Slogan thread.

 

[Coach34]

Hell, I know Rusell had one decent game but, I'll tell you this. We have a parade all-American at QB. He sat on the bench for three years and never mentioned the word transfer. He steps back in the pocket with ease and his feet are set gorgeously. Tyler may throw 3 to 1 picks from here on out, but I doubt it and coach, I hope Prescott is as patient as Tyler and is able to take over the reigns in 2014 in our awesome new stadium.

Absolutely

We have 2 QB's that have strong character. You wont see them up for possible sexual assault like Mett or throwing rocks at cars like Bray. And that makes a big difference in leadership. I'm very glad at the way things have turned out.

 

[Coach34]

"ok- I PREDICT Prescott will be the starting QB in 2012. He already has him beat as a runner- now all he has to do is adjust to facing defenses- and he gets not 1, but 2 Springs to do it."


I certainly missed on this one

 

[MStateFan22]

Don't forget the one about Russell's arm being weaker than Relf's.

 

[Gen. Grant]

This escalated quickly

 

[Coach34]

Don't forget the one about Russell's arm being weaker than Relf's.

and we settled this how? I have yet to see Russell throw one 60 yards like I have Relf. Hell, Russell underthrew Morrow Saturday- albeit he just misjudged it- not because of he couldnt throw it that far

Now, as far as "touch on the ball"- it's not even close- but I dont think anybody with a functioning brain has ever argued that on those two.

 

[DAWG61]

I believe they are called golf balls

 

[RougeDawg]

Prior to this past weekend against Auburn TR hadn't given us much reason...

To even think he could pick apart a defense like that, let alone a SEC defense. He was precise and quick with his decisions. I'm fairly certain, that everyone who's watched him play, prior to AU, saw the same thing I did. You saw a QB with a great arm who had potential, but a QB who moved slow in the pocket, stared down his WR, and took to long to pull the trigger when said WR came open.

Given, the OL is playing much better this year and has a stable group, he looks much more confident on the field. Could be that he knows he won't be running for his life every play and can stand in the pocket with confidence. A good OL makes any QB look better, and a bad OL can make a good QB look less than average. Reference Jevan Snead if you disagree.

Point being, I was pleasantly surprised Saturday and hope he can keep improving. He can be one of the top QB's in SEC if he and our OL stay healthy.

 

[aerodawg.sixpack]

Did you see his pass that I believe was to Robert Johnson where Auburn got called for Pass Interference. I have a hard time believing someone that can throw the ball that hard would struggle throwing it far down the field if needed.

I agree he underthrew that pass to Morrow though. About a foot higher and it would have been an easy catch for him.

ETA: The pass was to Robert Johnson (not Lewis) in the 2nd Quarter.

 

[MStateFan22]

Russell could throw it 50 yards standing in the pocket in high school.

I'm sure he's added a few yards since then.

Just wondering cuz I don't remember, but when did Relf throw one 60 yards?

 

[Resolved]

Just wondering cuz I don't remember, but when did Relf throw one 60 yards?[/QUOTE]

When he hit the tackling dummy...

 

[OleYeller]

You don't need to throw it sixty yards. All you need to do is...well yo saw it saturday. Relf was the starter because Mullen developed an offense for him. He was never and never will be a true qb. He was a great athlete playing qb and I am glad he played for us. But he did not have the skills to be a true qb He could not read defenses, heck he couldn't even read an option play that well. Relf already had his mind made up what he was going to do with the ball before he ever even got the snap. Where is Relf now? Is he playing qb in the pros? I'll make a prediction, if Tyler stays healthy he will be a pro qb in the NFL. He may not start right away, but he will be there and I believe he will start at some point. Second or third year maybe.

 

[OleYeller]

I knew this guy was the real deal the first time I saw him play. It was just a matter of getting the offense READY for Russell, not Russell ready for the offense. Is there some things he can work on? Absolutely. I like our schedule. The competition will gradually get better, gives our OL and QB time to get better and better before we finally get to the big boys (excluding TSUN). Tyler will get these things straightened out.

 

[OleYeller]

If he threw one that far, it certainly wasn't accurately.

 

[Woof Man Jack]

These kinds of posts are great. Wonder what Coach's prediction accuracy is...the actual percentage, not the 99.9% he claims. I'm guessing 50/50 at best.

 

[Mts68]

"Chris Relf can throw it long. He cannot throw it accurately, but he can throw it long." - Jack Cristil

 

[MStateFan22]

Probably why I don't remember it right there.

 

[seshomoru]

I saw a few reasons to think Russel would be a good one...

To even think he could pick apart a defense like that, let alone a SEC defense. He was precise and quick with his decisions. I'm fairly certain, that everyone who's watched him play, prior to AU, saw the same thing I did. You saw a QB with a great arm who had potential, but a QB who moved slow in the pocket, stared down his WR, and took to long to pull the trigger when said WR came open.

Given, the OL is playing much better this year and has a stable group, he looks much more confident on the field. Could be that he knows he won't be running for his life every play and can stand in the pocket with confidence. A good OL makes any QB look better, and a bad OL can make a good QB look less than average. Reference Jevan Snead if you disagree.

Point being, I was pleasantly surprised Saturday and hope he can keep improving. He can be one of the top QB's in SEC if he and our OL stay healthy.

There were plenty of throws last year, although against weaker opponents, that gave me hope. Back shoulder short fades. Throwing to a spot before the receiver made his cut. Stuff that real quarterbacks do.

 

[dawgstudent]

Just wait until Russell has a bad game - then Coach will come back and say he was wrong about being wrong and he was initially right.

 

[RougeDawg]

There were plenty of throws last year, although against weaker opponents, that gave me hope. Back shoulder short fades. Throwing to a spot before the receiver made his cut. Stuff that real quarterbacks do.

So a few throws gave you the insight that he could possibly be a top tier SEC QB?

Please provide the insight you were provided when he looked lost in the pocket, stared down his receiver from the snap, and either threw the ball 4 steps too late or took a sack because he stood in one place and held the ball too long? Are those things that "real" QB's do?

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

When Tyler subbed into his first game against Memphis I had to check my eyes because it looked like an actual, real, live Quarterback was playing the position for MSU. Not some athlete. Not an idiot with a big arm. An actual Quarterback. Not that he has much competition but I firmly believe he'll be the best QB we've ever had.

The hilarious part is that this board's self-proclaimed genius whiffed on what could be the most important player in our program's history. Coach34 is the Stu Inman of this board.

 

[missouridawg]

When Tyler subbed into his first game against Memphis I had to check my eyes because it looked like an actual, real, live Quarterback was playing the position for MSU. Not some athlete. Not an idiot with a big arm. An actual Quarterback. Not that he has much competition but I firmly believe he'll be the best QB we've ever had.

The hilarious part is that this board's self-proclaimed genius whiffed on what could be the most important player in our program's history. Coach34 is the Stu Inman of this board.

It's clear that coach34 and I whiffed on Russell's development. No ifs-ands-or-buts about it.

But what information, prior to the Spring 2011 football game did anyone see that made them believe Tyler was going to turn into what we saw on Saturday? In the Spring of 2011, Tyler had almost two full seasons under his belt (one redshirt and one back-up). He looked very inept in that Spring game and Favre looked serviceable, which is what led to the comments we made.

We were wrong. And I, for one, am glad I was wrong... but at the time, the comments weren't too far out of context, in my opinion.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Agree & ...

Had no idea that both the offense and defense would be this impressive to start the year.

Yes, it’s early in the season but MSU has now played two games roughly equivalent to most of the SEC teams and finds itself:</SPAN>

#3 in Scoring Offense (behind GA & UT)</SPAN>
#3 in Scoring Defense (behind Bama & LSU)</SPAN>
#2 in Total Defense (Behind LSU & ahead of Bama)</SPAN>
#2 in Pass Defense (Behind Vandy)</SPAN>
#1 in Pass Defense Efficiency</SPAN>
#1 in Interceptions</SPAN>
#1 in Sacks Against (Tied with UT with 1 in 2 games)</SPAN>
#1 in Opp 3[SUP]RD</SPAN>[/SUP]-DN Convert (17.4%)</SPAN>
#1 in Turnover Margin (+7)</SPAN>
#4 in Red Zone Offense (Scored 8 of 9 times, 88.9%)</SPAN>
#3 in Time of Possession (Behind FL & LSU)</SPAN>

I never even pondered that we would have these stats after two games. H/T to the coaching staff and players; this has the makings of a really ‘fun’ season.</SPAN>

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

He had poise from the get-go. I think that he dropped the snap in his first series against Memphis, bent down, picked it up off the ground, and then calmly threw it for a completion. That's just one example and it's Memphis, I get it. But just the awareness that indicates tells you everything you need to know.

It's obvious when you watch him that he's not overwhelmed by being a quarterback. He's not relying on his athletic ability (although he uses it). He's a decision maker, which is the most important part of the position. People say he holds the ball too long, and they are probably right, but does he ever looked panicked (like Relf would look when his first read was covered)? No. Because he is a quarterback, he doesn't just moonlight as one.

I wouldn't make any judgments from spring games. You shouldn't either. People used to rave about how Wyatt looked in practices and spring games and then Madkin just took his job. The real games show you what you have. Hell, in the last two years, Russell is the only MSU QB to lead a TD drive against Bama or LSU and he wasn't even the starter.

I'm wrong at least as much as I'm right, but I don't know how anyone can look at Russell (in relation to the guys we've had at QB in the past) and not see a clear difference...

 

[missouridawg]

He had poise from the get-go. I think that he dropped the snap in his first series against Memphis, bent down, picked it up off the ground, and then calmly threw it for a completion. That's just one example and it's Memphis, I get it. But just the awareness that indicates tells you everything you need to know.

It's obvious when you watch him that he's not overwhelmed by being a quarterback. He's not relying on his athletic ability (although he uses it). He's a decision maker, which is the most important part of the position. People say he holds the ball too long, and they are probably right, but does he ever looked panicked (like Relf would look when his first read was covered)? No. Because he is a quarterback, he doesn't just moonlight as one.

I wouldn't make any judgments from spring games. You shouldn't either. People used to rave about how Wyatt looked in practices and spring games and then Madkin just took his job. The real games show you what you have. Hell, in the last two years, Russell is the only MSU QB to lead a TD drive against Bama or LSU and he wasn't even the starter.

I'm wrong at least as much as I'm right, but I don't know how anyone can look at Russell (in relation to the guys we've had at QB in the past) and not see a clear difference...

Check your timeline. The game at Memphis in which Russell played mop-up minutes againt a 2-10 team occurred after the Spring 2011 game.

And I agree with your assessment. Tyler looks like all of those things you mentioned NOW. But he didnt, in April of 2011.

 

[MStateFan22]

Here is a good tip. Don't judge a young QB when he gets thrown into a game against Alabama or LSU down by several scores. Yes he definitely looked lost in those games. LSU and Bama make experienced QBs look lost. I've seen several times when I thought Russell could be really good to great.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Check your timeline. The game at Memphis in which Russell played mop-up minutes againt a 2-10 team occurred after the Spring 2011 game.

And I agree with your assessment. Tyler looks like all of those things you mentioned NOW. But he didnt, in April of 2011.

I'm talking about Memphis 2010. When we hosted them. And he threw 4 touchdown passes.

Memphis was still terrible but that's beside the point.

 

[MStateFan22]

Didn't Russell put together a scoring drive his freshman year at LSU after coming in when Relf couldn't get anything going?

 

[Coach34]

Didn't Russell put together a scoring drive his freshman year at LSU after coming in when Relf couldn't get anything going?

Not exactly

Relf had the team driving and had crossed the 50- but took a shot to the head. Tyler came in and finished the drive- LSU didnt blitz and stood around. Tyler then played the rest of the game, LSU started blitzing, and Tyler took a beating as well as turned it over 3 times

 

[olblue.sixpack]

On a 7 yard slant

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