I think lost in the Stansbury debate is this...

[msudogsrule01]

Your back up point guard, out for the year.
Your back up center, out for the year.
Your back up shooter, out for the year.
A top 10 recruit out for the year.
We are the same team as last year, except no Brian Johnson, no Elgin Bailey, no Twany Beckham
We should always expect the best from our team, but I guess when you look at it, isn't this pretty much the exact same team that finished third in the west, losing twice to Auburn, and making a miracle run through the SEC tournament to even get in the NCAA Tournament. So should we really expect that team, minus some key parts, to do any better?

 

[msudogsrule01]

Your back up point guard, out for the year.
Your back up center, out for the year.
Your back up shooter, out for the year.
A top 10 recruit out for the year.
We are the same team as last year, except no Brian Johnson, no Elgin Bailey, no Twany Beckham
We should always expect the best from our team, but I guess when you look at it, isn't this pretty much the exact same team that finished third in the west, losing twice to Auburn, and making a miracle run through the SEC tournament to even get in the NCAA Tournament. So should we really expect that team, minus some key parts, to do any better?

 

[msudogsrule01]

Your back up point guard, out for the year.
Your back up center, out for the year.
Your back up shooter, out for the year.
A top 10 recruit out for the year.
We are the same team as last year, except no Brian Johnson, no Elgin Bailey, no Twany Beckham
We should always expect the best from our team, but I guess when you look at it, isn't this pretty much the exact same team that finished third in the west, losing twice to Auburn, and making a miracle run through the SEC tournament to even get in the NCAA Tournament. So should we really expect that team, minus some key parts, to do any better?

 

[Coach34]

Dee Bost was a Freshman last season- you don't think having a year under your belt matters?
Were Stewart and Varnado not supposed to be better a Seniors?
Ravern wasn't supposed to be better with another year on the weights and working on his skills?


Only at Mississippi State are players not supposed to get better with another year of experience- we played 9 guys every night- how many are other teams playing?

 

[CivilEngineerDog]

And you are very correct about lack of depth.

 

[Jackdragbean]

depth doesn't matter. I'm curious as to how fatigue has affected the team as of late.

I also like how coach completely disregarded what you posted. Still a douche.

 

[8dog]

if only we'd have had Twanny this would have been a totally different season.

Who is our back up shooter that was out for the year?

Lack of depth is a huge problem...its not like we are TN and can bring Bruce Pearl's kid off the bench. We are stuck with guys like Osby and Turner.

 

[msudogsrule01]

Shawnessy (sp) Smith is the shooter.

 

[Baron Von Raschke]

a difference.

 

[8dog]

Rick doesn't like to play true freshmen unless he absolutely has to so Smith's injury was irrelevant. It was probably a blessing for Smith b/c otherwise he would have burned his shirt playing 6 minutes a game in December and then never played again.

 

[msudogsrule01]

But what if they already hit their ceiling? It isn't unheard of for a player to reach a certain point and never get better. I am not wanting to give Stansbury a total pass, but I wanted to see if our expectations were based in reality.

 

[msudogsrule01]

I am not saying that Twany would or would not have made a difference, just pointing out the facts. Losing Elgin was probably the biggest issue, honestly.

 

[captaindawg]

please take a step back and actually put some thought into your response before yet again tripping over yourself.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Bost is playing 2 minutes a night more this year than last.
Jarvis is up 5 minutes a night over last year.
Stewart is up less than 2 minutes.
Ravern plays 4 minutes less than he did last year.

For finely conditioned athletes, 2-5 minutes a night twice a week should not be a big deal.

The problem, as always, is that the starter totals are too high. We have three guys playing 35 minutes a night in SEC games. Tennessee, for example, has zero. None. They don't even have anyone at 30 minutes. Instead, Pearl plays 12 guys between 12-39 minutes a game.

 

[Coach34]

the Standsbury Sixpack is growing by legions

If you watched Beckham play last year, then you, like myself, would rather have Stewart running the point to rest Bost.

The only place you can say we have lack of depth was in the post- and Standsbury obviously can't develop Lewis enough to play 5 minutes a game and then realized too late Augustus could fill that role for 5 minutes a game

aGAIN- we played 9 players every night....how many are we supposed to play?

 

[ckDOG]

and it's the only possible excuse I can think of to give Stans re: our terrible offense. Even though it appears that it's the case, I'm giving Rick the benefit of the doubt and going to assume he can't be as brain-dead at running an offense as it looked this year. Maybe our motion/chunk 3s all day long offense is there purely because if we try anything else taught in bball 101 that requires moving our legs off the ball, we'll tire out and be useless on defense and get run out of the gym all game? If that were the logic in the conservative offense, I'd be okay with that.

Honestly, we did have some bad luck with injuries this year. That had to affect what we were physically capabale of doing on the court no matter how much talent the starting 5 should have had.

 

[VinceVega70]

On offense, we were Varnado and then a bunch of guys standing around on the three point line waiting to get an open shot. <div>Unless Smith was gonna rebound and get points in the paint, I doubt he was gonna make a difference this year.</div><div>
</div><div>I've been one of the biggest Stansbury proponents around here for years and I give him a F for coaching performance this year. Our only game was blocking shots and shooting threes. We got outrebounded many times and, in years past, we'd lead the league in rebounding.</div><div>
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[8dog]

other than throwing up 3s again. We will have no big man to go into (and hell, some people here think Jarvis is inept offensively) unless Sidney is going to play as a big and not try to be K.G.--otherwise it will be a 3 fest again.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

In 2009, Twanny "Tranny Beckman" Beckham played in 33 games for an average of 8 minutes a night. He managed to shoot 36% from the floor was a stellar 0-6 from three point land. But he is a point guard, right? His job is to take care of the ball, distribute it to the scorers, and be able to step to the line at the end of a close game when he might have the ball in hand. Twanny posted 39 assists and 37 turnovers in 2009, for a A/TO ratio of 1.05, and shot 16-32 from the free throw line, for a sterling 50%. Neither of those numbers is very good.

Twanny Beckham is not good at basketball. He will probably be worse after surgery, if you can fathom that. To say that his presence would have made one iota of difference in this team is lunacy.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

We will have John Riek-ing havoc on the interior. With another year of seasoning, he will not look like a cross between Manute Bol and Fred Sanford. We will also have the second coming of Erwin Dudley in the form of Wendell Lewis. Riek will be able to draw on his 12 minutes of SEC action this year to accelerate his advances. He even scored two points against LSU, so he knows what it is like to be the man in the post. Lewis has logged 16 SEC minutes, and seems set to take over the 35+ minutes a game role in the Standsbury Substitution Playbook. I do have a stamina concern with him, since his high in SEC minutes this year was 3.

 

[ckDOG]

Lewis showed a little upside during non-conference play. He looks the part and appears to be fairly aggressive. I really wish we had gotten him some more minutes this year. Like you said, Sidney is likely going to play a K.G. type role. He won't be banging bodies on the inside unless he's driving on someone. I will assume Riek will only be used in garbage minutes only. What's left? Elgin? Maybe he'll be effective, but it would suck to have to rely on someone coming off a major injury that's been out a year.

Looks like we are going to have to cross our fingers and hope Elgin comes back strong and Lewis develops very quickly.

 

[Original48]

I don't think 2 more missed layups and 2 more turnovers per game would have helped this year.

 

[msugolf]

The problems surrounding this year's team are the same problems that have plagued Stans' teams in the past. Poor chemistry, poor attitude and attention to detail, too much drama on the team and most of all, no offensive structure and poor leadership.

You can't pin this season's troubles on the fact that we lost a backup pg who had more TOs than pts, a backup PF/C who had more fouls than pts, and two freshmen who have never seen the court. Every team loses players, and a lot of them lose starters, but only at M-State do we find comfort in our misfortunes because we lost backup, role players. Stans had plenty of time to develop Lewis where he could at least be a body down low, and we had enough depth on the bench between Osby, Benock, Lewis, and Turner to where we shouldn't be fatigued. But thanks to Stans poor substitution patterns and lack of player development, he has to go with the guys who play the most because their only chance to grow as players is to teach themselves through their own experiences on the court.

Nine players is plenty of depth. Hell, in 96 we only played 8 players and usually the starting 5 played about 35 minutes each. And in '03-'04 the same could be said for Powers, Roberts, Frazier, Bowers. </p>

 

[fishwater99]

msudogsrule01[/b]]Your back up point guard, out for the year.(No Randy was our backup)
Your back up center, out for the year. (No Stans will not play Lewis and Riek, He finally started playinf Kodi at the 5)
Your back up shooter, out for the year.(Who are you talking about, we have too many shooters)
A top 10 recruit out for the year. (Stans was not counting on him to play, and if he was he is an even bigger dumbass than I think)
We are the same team as last year, except no Brian Johnson, no Elgin Bailey, no Twany Beckham
We should always expect the best from our team, but I guess when you look at it, isn't this pretty much the exact same team that finished third in the west, losing twice to Auburn, and making a miracle run through the SEC tournament to even get in the NCAA Tournament. So should we really expect that team, minus some key parts, to do any better?(Hell yes you should expect to be better, put down the Stans Kool-aid)

The problem with this team is that the coach has once again failed to implement an effective offense.The Standsbury Motion is motionless.
We live and die by the 3 ball..........

 

[seingeyedog]

so his absence didn't matter one iota. Beckham will never be a difference maker. Don't even count Renardo. We had high expectations even before he fell into our lap. The only player I think we missed from last year's roster was Elgin Bailey. It would have been nice to have gotten 7 to 10 minutes a game from him. Hans'bro might have been good for 10 to 12 minutes a game also. He was a good shooter when he didn't have to expend too much energy attempting to guard faster players. Maybe Tyler's little bro should have taken the Kodi and Ravern approach-just don't expend any energy on defense.

This year the team definitely underachieved. When they hit 3's we won. When they missed, we lost. There was no competent offense ever put in play, and that my friends is on the coaching staff.

 

[Thick]

because at the end of the day the simple facts are: Beckham is not good offensively (last year), Bailey is good for some minutes, nothing more, and Smith has had medical problems before he got to state (not sure we should have signed "damaged goods", ie, what if it's a chronic problem?), and the most glaring problems are that we run no offense, Stands doesn't require Ravern to do anything but shoot, poor substitutions, no discipline on the offensive end, and losses to terrible teams that we should beat regardless of Beckham, Bailey, Smith's availability.

Standsbury Sixpack

 

[TheMAROONandWHITE]

i dont guess beckham would have improved from last year to this year.

 

[fieldman]

I think their argument might be lack of quality off the bench, not number of bodies. We have to be close to the bottom of the SEC in bench points this season. I mean, Benock and Lewis have not exactly been good players for us this season. I know, I know, that this comes back to Stans coaching ability.

People whining about not having Twany obviously did not watch him play last season. That guy was awful.

 

[msudogsrule01]

I guess many missed my point. Why should we expect much more from this year's team over last year? We had inexplicable losses last year, we had them this year. We won the same number of SEC games this year. I just don't see why everyone is getting all angry when we should have seen this team for what it was, the same as last year, more or less. I will admit I like Stansbury, and he has always been very good to me. Have we had some bad times this year, yeah, but at the end of the day, we won the West, won more than 20 games and set a few records in the process. Pretty much what we do every year. At this point we know what we are getting with Rick, and personally, although the bad losses hurt, I would take that (knowing the situation our athletics department is in, competing against much bigger budgets) over a roller coaster like LSU is. But that is just me. Coach, D@A, Fish - Flame Away!

 

[rugbdawg]

Stans should have foreseen this problem. He pretty much knew Bailey wouldn't play this year because of the injury.

I really like Bailey despite his spastic flaws. Plus, resting Swat 8 minutes a game would be HUGE.

On a side note, the last three games have made me begin to think that Swat is the most overrated player in MSU history. Muldrow-season high, didn't show up against Auburn or Tennessee. Then...I realize he is just getting dominated because he is exhausted.

 

[Jago]

Didn't Tennessee lose their best player this year? Look how good they have done

 

[8dog]

how the **** do you not expect a team returning virtually 100% of its production from the year before to be better? How? I don't understand that logic...b/c its not logical.

 

[gravedigger]

but with an additional caveat that we seem to be the laziest defensive team with the exception of Jarvis and Barry.

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[Thick]

schollies. We beat them last year, they are 7-1 against us in the last 8.

 

[Coach34]

let me ask you- how does Butler stay in the top 25 most years now with a budget 1/3 smaller than ours? And that's just one example

You are missing our point as well- Standsbury is more of a problem than our depth was

Depth didnt cause us to stand around on offense all season
Depth didnt cause the insane illogical sub patterns we have watched for years
Depth didnt cause the players to call him out in the newspaper
Depth didnt hurt team chemistry

Mississippi won the West too. Mississippi has a better record than us. Is Kennedy doing a great job too?

Who came off the bench for us in 2004? Ervin and who else?

Who was our bench in 2008? Ravern, Brian Johnson, Turner, and Benock...Ravern scored 2 points a game that season...

Also in 2008- Rhodes and Varnado averaged 25.5 points and 15.5 rebounds....2010? Varnado and Augustus averaged 25 points and 16.5 rebounds

 

[missouridawg]

Can't believe no one else asked this yet.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

the Standsbury Sixpack is growing by legions

If you watched Beckham play last year, then you, like myself, would rather have Stewart running the point to rest Bost.

The only place you can say we have lack of depth was in the post- and Standsbury obviously can't develop Lewis enough to play 5 minutes a game and then realized too late Augustus could fill that role for 5 minutes a game

aGAIN- we played 9 players every night....how many are we supposed to play?

No, actually you lose credibility when you refuse to spell a man's name correctly like you are the middle of some grammar school feud. You also lose credibility when you completely dismiss any argument that does not support your theories.

Depth was not the main factor in this season's demise but it was definitely a factor in playing people out of their normal position and still expecting them to perform and score. Barry at PG is a plausible replacement for Dee? No way. The fact that Dee had no real backup for the season did hurt his game and the team. Same for Vanardo. Kodi in the 5 was a horrible answer because that is not his position. He tried, I will give him credit for that, but he was not a real solution.

Finally, it was up to Stansbury to have a plan in place for such a development and the fact that he did not have a good answer should be weighed against him. That being said, I hold him more accountable for not being able to reign in the prima donna factor on our team from the first game of the season.

 

[klipdawg]

That's why were gonna keep Stans another 10-12 years so that one day he can pull his kids of the bench.

 

[Coach34]

Who was our bench in 2008? Ravern, Brian Johnson, Turner, and Benock...Ravern scored 2 points a game that season...and none of those guys are PG's

 

[captaindawg]

Coach Stansbury. However the various issues with injuries and suspensions cannot be overlooked. Granted Twanny Beckham did not play well last year as a whole but did help us win the St Bonaventure game when Dee went down. Think of how many games Sidney would have won for us on talent alone. This season is teetering on the outcome of a few games. Any of the missing players could have helped us over the hump. To disregard that is irrational.