I think Memphis fans might be more delusional

gtowndawg

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than Ole Miss fans. Reading their comments on boards some are discussing who they should go after next. Rick Pitnio or Larry Brown.

BTW, someone threw out Richard Williams name. Wow.

Seems like their next coach will be the Baylor coach. Don't know his name.
 

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Homer's kid, Bryce's bro. He turned that thing around in a hurry. From 2004, when they weren't even allowed to play non-conference games after the Dennehy/Bliss fiasco, just 5 years later he got them to an NIT final. Baylor's first postseason victories since 1950. Done a great job there. However, dumbass Memphis fans think he isn't good enough for them. They are holding out hope for James Naismith, with Hank Iba and Phog Allen as his assistants. It is comical. They don't understand that they are still a mid-major, and no big name is going to take their job. Yesterday, during primetime programming, Fox13 had "special reports" during commercial breaks updating everyone on which coach had turned them down today, along with the crawl along the bottom of the screen. I **** you not.
 

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Memphis has benefited from the years Cal gave them and now they believe they are national powerhouse year in and year out? The program is imploding and I cannot imagine a huge name going there. However, if whatever new coach that gets there can keep a decent hold on the city of memphis recruiting or better yet continue the philosphy of Cal who let players play a year and leave for the pros and have no problem with it then they will still be ok. However, their days to come will be nothing like their days that have passed
 

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He is not making any friends in the Big 12. He and Barnes have had words in the press about him (Drew) trashing Texas to potential recruits, and apparently there are many who question Drew's overall recruiting tactics. Yep, sounds like a perfect fit for Memphis.
 

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Tiger fans are terrified they are about to wind up with Tic Price 2.0, since they are now on plan C or D.
 

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They don't understand that they are still a mid-major
Since 1972 they have been to 18 NCAA tournaments and won 33 games. They've been to 7 Elite 8's, 3 Final Fours, and two Championship games. Twice they've been to the Sweet 16 four years in a row. They may play in a mid-major conference, but they aren't a mid-major program. In the coaching community, it is considered one of the best 15-20 jobs in the country. If they have to settle for Scott Drew, it would be bad deal for Tiger basketball - one of those we'll be looking for a new coach in 3 years kind of hires.
 

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from the article-
"Drew has a reputation as a creative recruiter. That must be part of it. But wouldn't it be nice to have a head coach who didn't spend all his time chasing national recruits with offers of jobs on the staff?"

In all seriousness, how is this any different from Calipari? Calipari has hired the father of a recruit. Calipari has given package deals to more than a couple of recruits where their lesser talented best friend signs too. Hell, he even tossed Kendrick Perkins' buddy to the curb once Perkins was for sure going pro.

Drew may walk a fine line in recruiting(John Wall's AAU coach being hired at Baylor for example), but does anyone really think he is any more guilty of walking that line than Calipari? Come on.

I just find that comment from the article hilarious. He would just be replacing the King of creative recruiting(WWWes, FedEx internship).
 

Ol Blue.sixpack

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mstateglfr said:
from the article-
"Drew has a reputation as a creative recruiter. That must be part of it. But wouldn't it be nice to have a head coach who didn't spend all his time chasing national recruits with offers of jobs on the staff?"

In all seriousness, how is this any different from Calipari? Calipari has hired the father of a recruit. Calipari has given package deals to more than a couple of recruits where their lesser talented best friend signs too. Hell, he even tossed Kendrick Perkins' buddy to the curb once Perkins was for sure going pro.

Drew may walk a fine line in recruiting(John Wall's AAU coach being hired at Baylor for example), but does anyone really think he is any more guilty of walking that line than Calipari? Come on.

I just find that comment from the article hilarious. He would just be replacing the King of creative recruiting(WWWes, FedEx internship).

I think Caulkins was taking a dig at Drew and Calipari with that remark. As in, can we finally get somebody in here that doesn't play that game.
 

mstateglfr

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My rant was more towards the fans that i have read complaining about him as a recruiter.
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Ol Blue.sixpack

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My rant was more towards the fans that i have read complaining about him as a recruiter.
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Again, I was a Memphis fan I would be disappointed with that hire. It's a lot better program than Scott Drew.
 

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but there's a long way from that and the guys that Memphis has been looking at so far. Tim Floyd, Mike Anderson, and Bruce Pearl are probably the three biggest names that have surfaced in the national coaching circles this year with the exception of Calipari. Can't blame Memphis for trying, but I think it's very telling that none of these three really had much interest in the job. It's also very telling that their recruits bailed, their signed players are looking to get out of the their letters of intent, and their current players are bailing. In other words, these kids didn't come to Memphis for the prestige of playing at UofM. They came for Calipari. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you were to rank the Top 15 available coaches for this offseason, Scott Drew would probably fall somewhere around 13th. Honestly, I think that's right about where the Memphis program is right now. They are not the mid-major that some say, but they're also not the perennial national power that Memphis fans would say either. They had a great 4 year run, but those spurts of title contention aren't the annual norm for this program.

I know that some people here want to watch their program burn, but I never expected a complete implosion like what we're now witnessing since Cal left. I wish he could have moved on without completely destroying the current state of the program.
 

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but there's a long way from that and the guys that Memphis has been looking at so far. Tim Floyd, Mike Anderson, and Bruce Pearl are probably the three biggest names that have surfaced in the national coaching circles this year with the exception of Calipari. Can't blame Memphis for trying, but I think it's very telling that none of these three really had much interest in the job. It's also very telling that their recruits bailed, their signed players are looking to get out of the their letters of intent, and their current players are bailing. In other words, these kids didn't come to Memphis for the prestige of playing at UofM. They came for Calipari. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you were to rank the Top 15 available coaches for this offseason, Scott Drew would probably fall somewhere around 13th. Honestly, I think that's right about where the Memphis program is right now. They are not the mid-major that some say, but they're also not the perennial national power that Memphis fans would say either. They had a great 4 year run, but those spurts of title contention aren't the annual norm for this program.

I know that some people here want to watch their program burn, but I never expected a complete implosion like what we're now witnessing since Cal left. I wish he could have moved on without completely destroying the current state of the program.

I disagree on several fronts. The three guys you mentioned are all at places that aren't considered to be better jobs than Memphis. I know Pearl had some interest but UT together a deal before Memphis ever made any contact. Floyd had enough interest to where he put off Arizona to listen to the Memphis pitch giving USC more time to put together a deal to keep him in LA. I agree on Anderson. He showed no interest at all. And it isn't telling at all that recruits and players are bailing. That's college basketball. Most of them have been recruited since they were 12 to play for one AAU team or another. They end up playing for/with people they know best. Billy Gillispie had 9 guys committed to sign with UK when he l left. All but 2 have re-opened their recruiting and one - Daniel Orton - is thinking about doing so. As far as a national program, go back and look at the numbers I posted. They've been to at least one Elite 8 in the last 4 decades. And if anybody should know that you can't pay any attention to what fans think, it should be MSU fans. MSU had parts of their fan base that thought coaches would flock to Starkville for the football job because of money and the SEC. Hell, the SEC is why they DIDN'T flock to Starkville. I'll say it again, Scott Drew is a terrible hire for a great program. If it is him, the next guy will walk into a situation where the immediate expectations aren't nearly as high.
 

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And it isn't telling at all that recruits and players are bailing. That's college basketball. Most of them have been recruited since they were 12 to play for one AAU team or another. They end up playing for/with people they know best. Billy Gillispie had 9 guys committed to sign with UK when he l left. All but 2 have re-opened their recruiting
Yeah, it's not rare for recruits to change their minds, but the Memphis situation is complete implosion. Evans and Taggert are gone. Both were quoted as saying that Calipari leaving had a big influence on their decision. Witherspoon and Sallie are looking to transfer. If Mack had more than a year of eligibility left, word is that he would be gone too. At Kentucky, it's the complete opposite scenario. Meeks and Patterson were both looking to go pro and they now might stay because of Cal. Not the other way around.

As far as a national program, go back and look at the numbers I posted. They've been to at least one Elite 8 in the last 4 decades
Right. There's no doubt that they're consistently good through the years. A national power though? 4 Elite 8s in the last 4 decades? There are four programs that have as many championships as Memphis has historical elite 8s. Hell, Kentucky has almost twice as many. I guess this isn't really worth arguing because I agree that they're a Top 20 program and job. I just don't think that they're anywhere near the Kansas, UNC, Duke, UCLA level.

I'll say it again, Scott Drew is a terrible hire for a great program. If it is him, the next guy will walk into a situation where the immediate expectations aren't nearly as high.
Who would you go after at this point? He wouldn't have been my first choice, but I feel like they could do a lot worse.
 

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If Meeks and Patterson stay, it will have nothing to do with Calipari. I suspect both will test the waters. Meeks will find out there really isn't much interest in him and Patterson will probably hear that he's mid to late first round. The thing is, neither one fit into Cal's DDM system. Meeks can't handle the ball, and Patterson is much more suited to the high-low that Gillispie was trying to run. And I didn't say they were a national power. I said they were a national program. Big difference. They aren't at the UNC, UK, KU - top 5 - level. But they are in the next tier with a whole bunch of other schools. A level that over time doesn't include the UT's and USC's of the world. As far as Memphis, I would make a run at maybe Romar out at Washington, Leonard Hamilton at FSU (which would be a like a package deal with the great Stan Jones) or Stansbury. And if I wanted to think completely out of the box, I would wait until Wednesday and see if Gino Auriemma was interested.
 

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Ol Blue said:
They don't understand that they are still a mid-major
Since 1972 they have been to 18 NCAA tournaments and won 33 games. They've been to 7 Elite 8's, 3 Final Fours, and two Championship games. Twice they've been to the Sweet 16 four years in a row. They may play in a mid-major conference, but they aren't a mid-major program. In the coaching community, it is considered one of the best 15-20 jobs in the country. If they have to settle for Scott Drew, it would be bad deal for Tiger basketball - one of those we'll be looking for a new coach in 3 years kind of hires.
I would agree that normally the Memphis job is one of the Top 20 in the country. This city certainly supports the team and you get to play in a NBA arena, etc. But, right now the job is not one of the best in the country. Whoever takes this job will be starting from scratch. You will either have to learn the dribble-drive or you will have to change the entire philosophy of the team (which would suck since all the players came for the DD offense). You are following some great years and there will be this unreal expectation that they should return to the Sweet Sixteen when it ain't gonna happen.

Really, whoever takes this job is looking at a three year stint unless they have national recruiting inroads. I think everyone that fits that description has already turned Memphis down. It's time to suck it up and take the three year guy and start setting up for what comes after.