BTW, In all seriousness - I hope you have an up to date malware and anti-virus running on your computer because mine started dinging like crazy from that site.
I think the lib strategy to combat Trump is failing
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Boom, now you are lying again. I NEVER once said the U.S. was a Christian nation. I have correctly stated that we are a nation founded on Judeo/Christian principles, with lots and lots of supporting facts.
And I do think Lib ideas are generally wrong. I don't think they work. I have long said our collective (liberal and conservative) goals are the same, but how we get there is where the battles are fought. And I happen to believe that conservative polices work and liberal ones tend to not work. That is why we have the debates we have and we mock each other to make our points. But it is not hatred, at least for me.
I disrespected Obama because I thought he was taking this country in the wrong direction, emboldening our enemies, making us weaker and hurting our economy.
And Christians have every right to try and influence our laws just as atheists have every right to try and influence our laws. What gives you the right to tell Christians to sit down and shut up about our laws or our polices when you want non Christians to have those rights? It's hypocritical. We are all informed by our beliefs and we propose and support laws that buttress those beliefs. Those beliefs can be Christian or they can be atheist or non-Christian. Every one has a right to voice their opinions and support laws they feel are good for the country.
And bigoty Boom, goes both ways. I can point to white and black racists. I can point to those that don't like gays and those that don't like any person of faith. It is not a one way street.
In this past election for example, the media made much of some white supremacists coming out for Trump. But not one of them mentioned that La Raza, The Nation of Islam, CAIR and some members of BLM came out for Hillary and all are racist.
He's surely hoping, along with the rest of the Left Trump fails Pax. That's why they're trying so desperately along with help from the Teacher's Unions to keep Betsy DeVoss from running Education, because they know she will deconstruct the failed Government schools.
It's also why they are so terrified of Dr. Ben Carson, because he has stated as a policy objective, elimination of a need for Blacks to look to Government for their advancement in America. He wants HUD to devolve into a community clearinghouse of entrepreneurs, philanthropy, bankers, builders, skills development specialists, personal motivation mentors, and Spiritual guidance counselors who can address the underlying deficiencies limiting Black people from realizing their God given potential.
It's an exciting plan, a realistic approach, and a winning strategy that will produce results Leftists like Boom will attempt to dismiss, but will be relegated into accepting because of its outstanding performance for poor Black people and others abandoned by failed Leftist income redistribution schemes.
The end result will not only mean emancipation of Negroes and other poor people from the Liberal plantation of impoverishment, but eradication of the Left's command of the Black vote and a permanent loss of their political power.
They're terrified, and so is boom if he's honest. He predicts Trump's going to fail, but does he really want him to succeed?
Doubt it.
I'm not going back through you MANY posts about the evils of this country. My God Boom, own up to your posts. And please answer my questions regarding the other countries you cited vs. the U.S.
Can we all just wait a few more weeks to see how things are going to pan out?
He doesn't even have all his cabinet in place and we're already judging his Presidency. Obama's been gone for a week now and we still can't fully judge his.
Patience people.
He doesn't even have all his cabinet in place and we're already judging his Presidency. Obama's been gone for a week now and we still can't fully judge his.
Patience people.
When I said Bannon is a warmonger? When I said that it's shameful that we are responsible for 20-30 deaths abroad since WWII? To question our leaders, their policies, their motives, and the outcome of their decisions is NOT hate of America....it's being AMERICAN!
My Malware Bytes kept blocking something on that page a "Malicious". Nothing showed up on either of scans though.
A good rule of thumb, if this is the author:
Jimmy Rustling, ABC News
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It's probably not real.
No. He is either all good or all bad. Decide now and remember.....We will remember.
Boom, I specifically ask you if America has generally been a force for good or evil. Look up your answer.
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I agree. I was speaking for myself, but I understand anger by some friends towards Conservatism and the Republicans. I have homosexual friends that are angry because they feel conservatives want to regulate their ability to be themselves. I've seen some on here that obviously wouldn't let that happen. I have women friends angry at Republicans for their lack of doing more for women (embodied wrongly by Trumps election). I'm angry at the Republicans for the Iraq War and the Great Recession. And their desire to ignore climate change. But I don't hate conservatives or Repiblicans, and I don't think anyone else should either. Most want what's best for America. I prod certain people on this db because discussions with them always trail off into a place where there's no where to go. Meaning, their views and opinions suffocate mine (for example if homosexuality is seen as deviant by law or if the EPA is dismantled). Moderation is not their strong suit, although they claim it do be.
Generally - good - evil. If you want a legitimate answer, ask a legitimate question.
At times post WWII, I think good people thinking they were doing good things were used for purposes that lacked good intentions.
What policy do Conservatives advocate that would "regulate" homosexual's ability to be themselves boomer?
The only thing Conservatives refuse to allow is Homosexuals "redefining" what a Marriage is. A Union between a Man and a Woman. If they want to Marry each other OK then fine, Conservatives don't have a problem with that either, but let's call it something other than a traditional Marriage.
On every other issue, spousal rights, property rights, job discrimination, there is nothing Conservatives are against homosexuals having full access to. No discrimination of any kind based on their sexual preference. Trump just reinstated Obama's policy on this!
Conservatives and especially Christians however do not, will not, and can not accept their chosen behavior as either a normal condition of their birth, or morally justifiable. However, that position still does not stop them from doing whatever it is they choose to do, it's not illegal or criminal and no Conservative advocates their behavior being treated as such.
So what are you talking about boom?
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What more should Republicans be doing for Women? Allowing them to kill their innocent Babies?
Democrats voted with Republicans for that War, it was a near unanimous vote to authorize use of force against Iraq. Republicans did not cause the great recession...Government did.
Republicans don't "deny" climate change, they question if Man is causing it.
You think exactly the way you've always thought about whatever it is you think boom. No Republicans are keeping you from your thoughts...they won't always agree with you, but you are still free to think whatever you want and convince as many others as you can to think just as you do.
Homosexuality is seen as deviant by people who believe the Bible, which calls it deviant. Homosexuals can still do that, but people of Faith believe God's word supercedes their choices to Sin. You can disbelieve what's in the Bible about it, but that doesn't mean it's wrong and Gay people are correct. However, it is not illegal.
EPA won't be dismantled, but should be reduced or reformed in those areas where it is either ineffective or doing more harm than good. It's not perfect, and needs to be reduced/reformed. You disagree, convince voters who think otherwise.
What does generally - good - evil even mean? Again, has America generally been a force for good or evil in the world. Is a very simple question. Please tell me which good people thought they were doing good things but lacked good intentions, again be specific.
And Boom, you never answered the following:
Boom, can you tell me what more these countries (the ones you listed) have done for the world, in a positive sense, than the U.S.? How they made more people freer. How they advanced the causes of liberty, justice, individual rights, human rights, etc. How they did more to defeat the evils of Nazism and Communism? How they did more to lift people out of poverty?
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PAX you are smart enough to know that most people on the Left think America itself is Evil, so you're asking a committed Leftist to admit something that fundamentally the Left believes is not possible...that America is a "good" place.
I am just trying to get him to admit that America is a force for evil. You're right, many liberals believe it, not all, but many. Especially the faculty on campuses.
He has come close to admitting it but then seems to back away. He won't answer specific questions about which country has done more to make the world better (freedom, democracy, human rights, lifting people out of poverty, etc.).
Correct, and the reason he won't answer you is because he doesn't believe that. He just won't come right out and admit what I said in my previous post....that like most Leftists, he thinks America is Evil...especially the Christian part of it. He may in fact think that's what makes it an "Evil" place.
Christians.
Obsequious Leftist.
You are really twisted up too Paxx. I never came close to saying anything was "evil"....I don't deal in your moral absolutes. I said I was ashamed of the 20-30 million deaths abroad. Ashamed of our corporate influence through government backed covert actions in South and Central America. Ashamed at our continuing to influence elections and back totalitarian regimes in order to steer the world in the direction we see fit. We are suffering from the fallout of such decisions, and we should recognize it. I've said many times I love this nation, the freedom, the culture of diversity, the revolutionary questioning of authority that sparked our birth and inspires our youth.
You asked me what countries I admire. I answered and gave you reasons why. Now you ask me how much better they've been than the US? It seems like you want me to say either that the US is the best country that has been the biggest force of good in the world of that we are evil?
That's what I meant by generally- good - evil....your questions are almost always LOADED. I don't see what we were discussing in that way at all. I see it as tragic. Good? Evil? Perspective has a lot to do with that label. And remember (although I'm sure you won't) everything we discussed was about our role Post WWII.....but you keep going back to it.
What about the Millions and in fact Billions our corporations have spent and donated to develop the third world? No credit for that?
What about the lives we've saved from totalitarian regimes? People yearn to live Free not subjugated.
When natural disasters hit, who's the first country sending relief supplies, volunteers, medicine and expertise to help folks recover?
You focus only on the negative, and only highlight the positives that reflect your Leftist ideology.
You said you respect the diversity in our Culture, so then why do you hate Christians so much? Why are they selectively singled out for your wrath, and systematically excluded from your effusive praise of our "diversity"?
Perfidious mendacity.
I dont hate Christians at all. I think true Christians are great for community and support. I don't like the bs you preach very much, but I don't think your bs represents true Christian ideals anyway. I think you're obsessed with judgment, and I thought Christians always reserved judgement for one to give? And offered all others love, hope, and kindness. Well that's not what's flyin off of your pulpit.
No, I asked you to name which country had done more good for the world than the U.S. You cite stats that you believe make us a bad/evil country. Yet, when I gave you a chance to name any country that has done as much as we have, you couldn't because there aren't any. More people liberated. More people given greater human rights. More people lifted out of poverty. More people given a chance at democracy. More human lives saved.
I have no idea where you get the U.S. killed 20 - 30 M people. Please specify where this occurred. You seem to have been "educated" by Noam Chomsky. You need to read some real history books and not be blinded by authors that hate this country and distort facts to suit their own agendas. Have we made mistakes, most assuredly. But we are a good people, a kind people and a great indispensable nation. If we were as bad as you seem to claim, why, given our power, did we not simply take what we want. Take land. Take oil. Take. "The U.S. has sent many young men and women to fight in foreign lands but has never asked for any more land than is enough in which to bury those who did not return." Colin Powell.
I really, really wish I lived in the world that is inside your head where everyone is good, everyone magnanimous, everyone interested in only doing right by their people. Unfortunately, that world does not exist. And sometimes to defeat the really, really bad buys, we have to support some pretty bad guys, That is the nature of man and of life.
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I don't know what is in your heart, but you have posted very negative things about Christians. If I were a liberal, I would have called you a bigot a long time ago.
You do understand principle tenants of Christianity boom, as I've frequently mentioned to you I do believe buried somewhere beneath that polished Leftist Armour you've donned, is a delicate, sensitive, humane and arguably decent Soul. However in my opinion it is a Soul clouded or blinded by simple Human arrogance and disbelief.
Interestingly what you accuse me of being "judgemental" you personify. I do not "judge". That authority is reserved for the giver of all Justice and the Supreme arbiter of all injustice...Almighty God. It is his standard I proudly and boldly proclaim, defend, and respect. It is he who is the ultimate "judge" of all Sin.
You are absolutely correct, we as Christians are told not to judge.
Matthew 7:1 says "judge not lest you be judged" However we are also admonished to be discerning, vigilant, ever mindful and aware of Sin and on guard against it attempting to call that which is good and decent and righteous in the Justice of Almighty God... Evil.
Ironically, I sincerely believe this is precisely what you practice...setting yourself up as judge of all you disagree with from God's Holy word because in reality it is his authority and righteousness you first reject then seek to make subservient or substitutional to your own desires and recompensed reprobate thoughts.
So it's OK if you think I'm "judgemental" boom...if it means defending Biblical righteousness, I stand accused and guilty. However, don't excuse yourself from the very judgement you claim I represent. A Holy, righteous, & just God is not mocked, least of all by unrighteous, unholy, unjust sinners.
Wonder if he's still welcoming them to Canada? -The incomparable MichiganHerd re: the Quebec mosque massacre..., Don't forget! I'm here to remind you just how much of a doofus Monday morning quarterback you truly are! Man you seriously F'd that one up major didn't you Blundering Terd!
You got me there. And I do apologize for those posts. I attack Christianity often when confronted by Christians that come off so self righteous and judgemental. You don't though, although your argument that the country is founded on Christians principles (please let's not go there again) is essientially saying this is a Christian nation which I am very much against. You are accepting of other lifestyles different than what Christians allow, and that's being a good American. So I give you substantial credit for that. I think it's also in part being a good Christian (at least from what I learned over 15+ years). But there is a hypocrisy among some Christians that gets me pretty fired up.
Paxx, I do understand the good that the US has done. I teach it. I know many people abroad cherish our desire to interfere in world affairs....in South Korea and Kosovo....Australia...even India and Greece where FDR's pressure on the U.K. to relinquish their colonial ambitions helped them to be free.
But I think we've gotten away from being that beacon of light around the world as of late. We've allowed our fear and vengeance to motivate actions (as well as other influences) that run counter to who we are. How does Nixon's "Mad Man Theory" and call to cause as much death and destruction as possible in Vietnam sync with Christian values? For every bomb we drop, we are expanding the hatred for us...Obama is guilty as well. It runs counter to my own attitudes towards peace, and it makes me ashamed.
Shouldn't we challenge our leaders? Our perspectives of history? Our nations methods and motives? It seems that you would welcome these American values.
The heathens aren't saved, and we cannot expect them to attempt to live up to God's standards. Your understanding of Christianity is quite warped.
Christians don't 'allow' Lifestyle's that include murder, deceit, dishonesty, promiscuity, stealing, adultery, lasciviousness, vanity, arrogance, hatred, disrespect, racism, sexism, anger, filth, deception, selfishness, corruption, bribery, greed, hypocrisy, immorality, vileness, bitterness or strife.
How much of any of that do you want or accept?
You mean people that have a different God than you, different standards as you, and different belief system as you? Or just everyone not synchronized with your interpretation of the Bible are heathens?
Everyone keeps saying that there are all of these different interpretations to the Bible. Yes, the denominations differ in some of the more nuanced parts of the Bible, but the basics are the same across Protestantism, and even some Catholics.
That's good to hear. So who are the heathens again? And what are the standards that can't live up to?
"Heathens"reject Godly authority, and refuse to recognize God's prescription for living righteously explained in detail through his Word. Anyone can be a Heathen, even Christians.
God's standards, which you call Christian standards we try to impose on all. I'm entirely the opposite. As long as society doesn't impose on my ability to worship how I desire, and for my church organization to function in our community without imposing secular laws that cause me to sin, have at it. I have one exception, and that would be abortion. It is murder in my opinion, and nothing will ever change that. The other recent issue was gay marriage, which would be solved by government getting out of the marriage issue altogether, and call the relationship they recognize civil unions across the board. Then your UUA church could marry gays, and we could abide by the Bible's definition of marriage, never coming into conflict.
I WANT the difference between God's law and US law. First, if God's law is committed as US law, there are many problems. Even Christians sin. God doesn't judge me on one occurrence of sin, why should the state? Second, non-believers(heathens) can not be expected to try to adhere to God's law, they aren't believers. Third, heathens would be turned off to God because of US law... yeah, no. And finally, the difference makes it much easier for me to witness to people.