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Op2 said:
Hey atl, you say you're black but you're posting pics of juicy white gals. But there was a time not so long ago in this country when such things were considered unnatural and that white guys should stick with white gals and black guys should stick with black gals. That was the natural order and people shouldn't deviate from that. You sound like those folks.

P.S. As juicy white gals go I think you could have done better. Her face is about a 6.

P.P.S. But then, your tastes are your tastes and my tastes are my tastes and it doesn't really matter if they aren't the same, which is kinda the larger point I'm making in this discussion.
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That Chick is not White Op2. She's Cuban (Hispanic). And when we were Slaves, lots of your ancestors were boinking their chocolate chips so much so that in many parts of this country today you don't know who's really White or Black. We got a whole lot of mixed salads out there Op2, because back in the day even you White folks wanted a little Coffee instead of all Milk all the time. You're right it was not openly promoted, but plenty of folks had already figured out well before the Government that it's both Salt and Pepper that makes the meat taste good my Man.

You feel me?

But hey at least they (Slave Masters) were into hot Black Chicks, not those Horse hung Mandingoes hauling all of the Lumber or picking all of the Cotton. Even those Dudes, as evil as the Left makes them out today to be, knew some fine *** when they saw it. It wasn't on the Men either.
 
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Boomboom521 said:
I don't leave it to one side at all. I teach history on the high school level, and I don't use these alternative perspectives in the classroom. I read Zinn yes, but I also read Medved (BTW you would like his book "Hollywood versus America" I bet). I think the influence of the CIA and covert operations are not covered nearly enough by mainstream historians.
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But again, where did the 20-30M deaths come from? This is the fourth time I have asked. You made the statement, it deserves either support from you or an admission of error.
 
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Op2 said:
Well if other consenting adults are involved then even if I personally think it's weird I don't mind them doing it.

But what you posted does remind me of one of my favorite all time lines. It goes like this:

I used to be into sadism, necrophilia and beastiality but then I realized I was just beating a dead horse.
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Me either Op2. As I said, I'm not into telling people how to be freaky. I know a freak when I see one, but I'm not going to tell them to stop. I like to be entertained. My whole thing is what is normal, natural, and even arguably morally correct.

I know that's sacrilege in today's society, but it does exist....a standard of decency. We all should have a level in all of us when we realize we've crossed it.

I sure do.
 
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atlkvb said:
That Chick is not White Op2. She's Cuban (Hispanic). And when we were Slaves, lots of your ancestors were boinking their chocolate chips so much so that in many parts of this country today you don't know who's really White or Black. We got a whole lot of mixed salads out there Op2, because back in the day even you White folks wanted a little Coffee instead of all Milk all the time. You're right it was not openly promoted, but plenty of folks had already figured out well before the Government that it's both Salt and Pepper that makes the meat taste good my Man.

You feel me?

But hey at least they (Slave Masters) were into hot Black Chicks, not those horse hung Mandingoes hauling the all of the Lumber or picking all of the Cotton. Even those Dudes, as evil as the Left makes them out t be today to be, knew some fine *** when they saw it. It wasn't on the Men either.
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LOL...oh, she's not white, she's Cuban Hispanic? Well when nobody can tell the difference does it really matter? When two races are two races but look the same then what's the difference? I've seen plenty of "white" people that look like her.

None of my ancestors came to this country until after the Civil War so they did none of that here but I know enough about human history to know that my ancestors very like did disgusting stuff elsewhere in the past as has everyones ancestors. Compared to now people lived like savages in the past.
 
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Op2 said:
LOL...oh, she's not white, she's Cuban Hispanic? Well when nobody can tell the difference does it really matter? When two races are two races but look the same then what's the difference? I've seen plenty of "white" people that look like her.

None of my ancestors came to this country until after the Civil War so they did none of that here but I know enough about human history to know that my ancestors very like did disgusting stuff elsewhere in the past as has everyones ancestors. Compared to now people lived like savages in the past.
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True my Man, very true. I just like Chicks. I'm non discriminatory when it comes to them in any race Dude. My only prerequisite is they can't be "fat", they can't be Midgets, and they can't be into other Chicks. I'm just not into variations beyond heterosexual coitus.

Race....doesn't matter. I think some of Trump's Babes (the international ones) were smokin' hot. Say what you want about him, Dude has an eye for the candy.
 
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Boomboom521 said:
What assertions did I make about McCarthyism? I just think it's funny that people are trivializing the communist threat of the 1950's by referring to liberals today as "leftists"
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Quit playing games......when someone mentions "McCarthyism" it usually does not have a positive connotation.
 
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bornaneer said:
Quit playing games......when someone mentions "McCarthyism" it usually does not have a positive connotation.
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Communist infiltration of workers unions devastated their effectiveness, and they never truly recovered from it. The infiltration of civil rights groups was almost as devastating. It forced the FBI to spend enormous amounts of resources, man power and time to pursue potential communist threats in many aspects of social organization. It undermined real social issues that deserved real voices and attention from our government. Anti-war movement, environmentalism, as well popular culture were all tainted by the paranoia of red infection. I take it extremely serious, and I teach both the real and perceived effects McCarthyism had on our nation.
 
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WVPATX said:
OMG. Shocking the authors did not blame the U.S. on the deaths of the French during the Napoleonic Wars. We get blamed for everything else. When you cite figures, try and find someone less far left wing, perhaps the Communist Party Newspaper. It would be more accurate.
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You were unaware that U.S. Radio Free Europe was responsible for a lot of the slaughter?
 
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OMG. Shocking the authors did not blame the U.S. on the deaths of the French during the Napoleonic Wars. We get blamed for everything else. When you cite figures, try and find someone less far left wing, perhaps the Communist Party Newspaper. It would be more accurate.
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Saw that coming. As I said before, we are the worlds leader in the sales of arms and CIA operations have had a massive impact on political conflicts around the globe. Not recognizing those impacts would be irresponsible.
 
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Saw that coming. As I said before, we are the worlds leader in the sales of arms and CIA operations have had a massive impact on political conflicts around the globe. Not recognizing those impacts would be irresponsible.
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Pathetic.....does you wife know what you do ALL DAY? Child neglect can have some serious consequences.
 
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Boomboom521 said:
Saw that coming. As I said before, we are the worlds leader in the sales of arms and CIA operations have had a massive impact on political conflicts around the globe. Not recognizing those impacts would be irresponsible.
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We are also the undisputed leader of freeing people, bringing democracy to the world, lifting people out of poverty, human rights, etc. None of that is every mentioned by you. Why?

Has it occurred to you that these CIA operations may have lead to defeating tyrants, oppressors, killers, etc.? Did it occur to you that the "bad actors" we supported saved lives because the "even worse actors" would have destroyed more?

I agree, recognize impacts. Learn from them. But recognize them honestly, truthfully and will full understanding from all points of view. You did not do that in your diabtribe.
 
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We are also the undisputed leader of freeing people, bringing democracy to the world, lifting people out of poverty, human rights, etc. None of that is every mentioned by you. Why?

Has it occurred to you that these CIA operations may have lead to defeating tyrants, oppressors, killers, etc.? Did it occur to you that the "bad actors" we supported saved lives because the "even worse actors" would have destroyed more?

I agree, recognize impacts. Learn from them. But recognize them honestly, truthfully and will full understanding from all points of view. You did not do that in your diabtribe.
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We weren't talking about that. I called Bannon a warmonger (based on comments he made directly). You said I had hate for the US. I discussed the aspects of US foreign policy that I'm ashamed of in our history since WWII. You asked me about what countries I admired....I answered. Not once did you ask me anything about if the US has done good things abroad, other than if the US has been a force of good or evil for the world. I responded by saying I didn't think the question was legitimate, and cited positives as well as negatives regarding our intentions in some of the instances that led to bad things happening (such as civilian deaths). Why should I only focus on the good? I already love the US.
 
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bornaneer said:
Pathetic.....does you wife know what you do ALL DAY? Child neglect can have some serious consequences.
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And btw, it's easy to post in between playing horsey and working on the alphabet....I wouldn't even be on here if I was working again. What do you do all day there high and mighty?
 
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Boomboom521 said:
We weren't talking about that. I called Bannon a warmonger (based on comments he made directly). You said I had hate for the US. I discussed the aspects of US foreign policy that I'm ashamed of in our history since WWII. You asked me about what countries I admired....I answered. Not once did you ask me anything about if the US has done good things abroad, other than if the US has been a force of good or evil for the world. I responded by saying I didn't think the question was legitimate, and cited positives as well as negatives regarding our intentions in some of the instances that led to bad things happening (such as civilian deaths). Why should I only focus on the good? I already love the US.
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Boom, reread this thread. I asked you countless times which countries had done more for liberty, justice, lives saved, freedom, lifting people our of poverty, the advancement of democracy, etc. Multiple times. You only seemed to want to focus on the supposed evil we have done, never citing the good.

I never said only focus on the good. I admitted we have made mistakes. I said to fully vet all incidents of our involvement around the world. I suggested you look at that from ALL sides, not just a far left wing site. These issues are far too complex to rely on only one left wing perspective.
 
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Boom, reread this thread. I asked you countless times which countries had done more for liberty, justice, lives saved, freedom, lifting people our of poverty, the advancement of democracy, etc. Multiple times. You only seemed to want to focus on the supposed evil we have done, never citing the good.

I never said only focus on the good. I admitted we have made mistakes. I said to fully vet all incidents of our involvement around the world. I suggested you look at that from ALL sides, not just a far left wing site. These issues are far too complex to rely on only one left wing perspective.
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And I do. I really don't like someone questioning my love of the country because I question our motives and results. You did that. I would never question your patriotism. You put me in the position to have to defend myself, so I did. And throw those numbers out of you want....but we've let the CIA get away with too much over the years. The people need to hold ALL of the government accountable.
 
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Boomboom521 said:
Cross a line there, for what? One kid in school, one is napping. Got something else to assume you POS
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Napping all day? Just asking ....don't be so defensive. I understand it might be hard to spend QUALITY time with one's children while spending 24/7 on a message board.
 
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Boomboom521 said:
And I do. I really don't like someone questioning my love of the country because I question our motives and results. You did that. I would never question your patriotism. You put me in the position to have to defend myself, so I did. And throw those numbers out of you want....but we've let the CIA get away with too much over the years. The people need to hold ALL of the government accountable.
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Boom, when you claim we killed 20-30M, a claim so dubious it should be ignored as utterly ridiculous, and you attack the U.S. for our involvement around the world, without any corresponding details of all the good we have done, it sure seems like pretty intense dislike for this country. You may not have intended that message, but it came though pretty loud and clear to me. You may dislike and disapprove of all U.S. involvement outside our shores, which is your right, but have your facts, don't distort and don't use just one very, very biased left wing source for your news. At least that is my suggestion to you since you are a teacher.

That's why I asked you which countries you admired so that we could compare relative contributions to the world. There are two sides to every story, and you seemed only focused on one side.

I will restate. America has been a giant force for good. We have made mistakes. We have supported bad actors against even worse actors. That is human nature. We can't always only deal with the saintly. But we have been a beacon of light for the world, that's why so many want to come here to become Americans.
 
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