I think THIS (link) is the best since Mullen has been here
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Könning frees up a spot. State desperately needs someone who knows something about the passing game and coaching QBs. It's terrible how TR's career wound down and the excuses given for it. But that didn't stop them from trying to recruit players like O'Korn. They need a QB who can come in and throw it around, but not - for the kid's sake - if they don't know how to use him.
TR was hurt all year. Dak has progressed pretty well. Not understanding your complaint. QB is not, has not been our problem....other than injuries.
If you can`t / couldn`t see that TR had obviously not ever worked with a good D1 QB coach you don`t belong in this conversation. His techniques, footwork and decision making never improved from the day he walked on campus.
Huh? Tyler improved dramatically. I was questioning his accolades his RSFR year. His JR year he broke every record and made some ridiculous throws, and he was hurt all year his SR year, but still won us the ARK game and played really well against Bama. I think Tyler progressed just fine. He stands in the pocket too long and my guess is that's on him. Coaches have surely been on his *** about that his whole career I'm sure.
Agree 100%. Mullen has done a good job of developing QBs. Injuries plus the development of Presscott is what did in Russell's senior year.
You're joking right? I'm not saying that they played poorly. I'm saying that I can't think of another SEC school that they would not outperform what they did at State. I'm a TR supporter but he should have been a lot more polished coming into his senior year - having been in the program 5 years. Dak's been here 3 years and still can't make the correct read.
Just please don't tell me that the QBs have exceeded expectations. If anything, the true freshman QB with less personal attention has been the one to outperform expectations.
Must I link the hundreds of posts saying that the problem with TR is that he does not fit Dan's system? Dak was no better than the 10th best quarterback in the SEC this year. Probably worse than that given certain injuries. See here.
Russell was a 5 star passing QB out of high school with an unlimited upside potential to move to the next two levels (college then NFL). If Mullen did a great job of developing him as a QB when his injuries heal he`ll be a bonifide NFL QB prospect.....right ? Look , I`m as happy as the rest of you that we won the last two games but saying Mullen did a good job of developing Tyler Russell is horse ****.
Please tell you didn't really just link an article from Sept 24 trying to tell me that Dak Prescott was the "no better than the 10th best QB in the SEC" and "probably worse".
Tyler had thrown for 21 TDs with only 4 INTs thru 11 games in 2012. He ended the season with two terrible games against UM & NW, but the first 11 games were probably the best passing performance we'll ever see at MSU.
And you don't think Chris Relf throwing for 28 TDs and completing 58% of his passes over his career could be considered outperforming expectations? You must have lofty expectations for 2-star QBs with no other scholarship offers.
And you don't think Chris Relf throwing for 28 TDs and completing 58% of his passes over his career could be considered outperforming expectations? You must have lofty expectations for 2-star QBs with no other scholarship offers.
Who rated Russell as a five star? Neither Scout nor Rivals did. Both had him at four. I'm not sure that makes you a "bonafide NFL prospect."
Having said that, the whole "developing quarterbacks" thing is an illusion. The coaches who are considered to do that run a good offensive system and sign a number of good prospects. Whichever one beats out the others will put up good numbers.
Having said that, the whole "developing quarterbacks" thing is an illusion. The coaches who are considered to do that run a good offensive system and sign a number of good prospects. Whichever one beats out the others will put up good numbers.
Well I'm pretty sure our coaches didn't
teach Tyler to stand in the pocket too long and stare down receivers. I think Tyler was a great QB for Msu, but his faults weren't because he wasn't coached properly.
teach Tyler to stand in the pocket too long and stare down receivers. I think Tyler was a great QB for Msu, but his faults weren't because he wasn't coached properly.
Your and dubmass.
I'm not adding anything else to this ridiculous argument because it's obvious that your and idiot.
I'm not adding anything else to this ridiculous argument because it's obvious that your and idiot.
The ability to see the field and make decisions is what differentiates high school from college and college from the NFL. I'm not sure that it is anything that can be coached very easily. When it was all said and done, Russell had a quality college career, marred a little bit by injuries.
Dak is a quality passer and showed that in the Egg Bowl. He got better and better as the year went on. In HS he threw a lot of balls, so I can assure you he's gonna show you he's a good passing QB. We're going to see an offense very similar to Tim Tebow at UF for the for seeable future. We can't afford to miss on Fitzgerald or Staley tho. Damien has impressed, but hasn't proven anything yet.
Yes. I did. It was the first SEC QB roster that I found. I think the list holds true today but I'd probably throw Maty Mauk in the list.
You're right on TR not being 5 star. I don't believe 247 operated during TR's senior year. As Scout's list will show, 4-star QB recruits usually don't make it to the League.**
| 1 | <nobr>
| Matt Barkley (Mater Dei HS) Santa Ana, CA |
| <nobr> 6-3/227 </nobr> | Committed to USC |
| 2 | <nobr>
| Russell Shepard (Cypress Ridge HS) Houston, TX |
| <nobr> 6-2/185 </nobr> | Committed to LSU |
| 3 | <nobr>
| Aaron Murray (Plant Senior HS) Tampa, FL |
| <nobr> 6-1/205/4.70 </nobr> | Committed to Georgia |
| 4 | <nobr>
| Tajh Boyd (Phoebus HS) Hampton, VA |
| <nobr> 6-1/210/4.60 </nobr> | Committed to Clemson |
| 5 | <nobr>
| Garrett Gilbert (Lake Travis HS) Austin, TX |
| <nobr> 6-4/190 </nobr> | Committed to Texas |
| 6 | <nobr>
| Morgan Newton (Carmel HS) Carmel, IN |
| <nobr> 6-4/220/4.50 </nobr> | Committed to Kentucky |
| 7 | <nobr>
| Cody Green (Dayton HS) Dayton, TX |
| <nobr> 6-4/220/4.70 </nobr> | Committed to Nebraska |
| 8 | <nobr>
| Bryn Renner (West Springfield HS) Springfield, VA |
| <nobr> 6-3/185/4.87 </nobr> | Committed to North Carolina |
| 9 | <nobr>
| Richard Brehaut (Los Osos HS) Rancho Cucamonga, CA |
| <nobr> 6-2/205/4.90 </nobr> | Committed to UCLA |
| 10 | <nobr>
| Kevin Newsome (Churchland HS) Portsmouth, VA |
| <nobr> 6-3/213/4.50 </nobr> | Committed to Penn State |
| 11 | <nobr>
| Tyrik Rollison (Sulphur Springs HS) Sulphur Springs, TX |
| <nobr> 6-2/186/4.65 </nobr> | Committed to Auburn |
| 12 | <nobr>
| Geno Smith (Miramar HS) Miramar, FL |
| <nobr> 6-4/190/4.55 </nobr> | Committed to West Virginia |
| 13 | <nobr>
| Tyler Russell (Meridian HS) Meridian, MS |
| <nobr> 6-5/217 </nobr> | Committed to Mississippi State |
| 14 | <nobr>
| Zach Mettenberger (Oconee County HS) Watkinsville, GA |
| <nobr> 6-5/228 </nobr> | Committed to Georgia |
| 15 | <nobr>
| Tate Forcier (Scripps Ranch HS) San Diego, CA |
| <nobr> 6-0.5/183/4.63 </nobr> | Committed to Michigan |
| 16 | <nobr>
| Derek Carr (Bakersfield Christian HS) Bakersfield, CA |
| <nobr> 6-3/190 </nobr> | Committed to Fresno State |
| 17 | <nobr>
| A.J. McCarron (St. Pauls Episcopal School) Mobile, AL |
| <nobr> 6-3.5/180 </nobr> | Committed to Alabama |
| 18 | <nobr>
| Blaine Dalton (Blue Springs South HS) Blue Springs, MO | | <nobr> 6-1.5/190 </nobr> | Committed to Missouri |
| 19 | <nobr>
| Josh Nunes (Upland HS) Upland, CA |
| <nobr> 6-4/205/4.85 </nobr> | Committed to Stanford |
| 20 | <nobr>
| Nathan Scheelhaase (Rockhurst HS) Kansas City, MO |
| <nobr> 6-2/190/4.53 </nobr> | Committed to Illinois |
| 21 | <nobr>
| Shavodrick Beaver (Rider HS) Wichita Falls, TX |
| <nobr> 6-4/200/4.50 </nobr> | Committed to Tulsa |
| 22 | <nobr>
| Raymond Cotton (Meade Senior HS) Ft Meade, MD |
| <nobr> 6-4/220 </nobr> | Committed to Mississippi |
| 23 | <nobr>
| Allan Bridgford (Mission Viejo HS) Mission Viejo, CA |
| <nobr> 6-3/210 </nobr> | Committed to California |
| 24 | <nobr>
| Jacob Karam (Friendswood HS) Friendswood, TX |
| <nobr> 6-2/201/4.59 </nobr> | Committed to Texas Tech |
| 25 | <nobr>
| Ryan Mossakowski (Centennial HS) Frisco, TX |
| <nobr> 6-4/203/4.80 </nobr> | Committed to Kentucky |
| 26 | <nobr>
| Jordan Luallen (Center Grove HS) Greenwood, IN |
| <nobr> 6-3/192/4.62 </nobr> | Committed to Georgia Tech |
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Yes, great performances by TR in 2012. How would he have performed against the 2013? Hypotheticals, I know. My point is that TR could have done so much more.
Relf was beat out by a midget his freshman year. Relf set the world on fire his junior year - and had a passing game coordinator. How did Relf's senior year go? Ah yes, riddled with injuries.
So, idiot confirmation then?
Fact - had Dak started 12 games, he would be #1 or #2 in total points scored in the entire SEC.
But you think he's "at best 10th" in conference.
Dak is a quality passer in the MAC (rhyme unintentional). Playing the 4th qtr and OT in the Egg Bowl does not make one a quality passer. I've seen him throw enough balls in the ground on bubble screens. But I agree that he should only improve.
Just tell me then who you move Dak ahead of on that list. The SEC was loaded with elite QB talent this year.
Please don't start a sentence with "FACT (if)"**
Thank you. I didn't know. But here's what I do know: 3rd Down Conversion %
3rd down is usually a passing down, no?
McCarron, Mettenberger, Murrary, JFF, James Franklin, and Conner Shaw were at the top of the SEC followed by Nick Marshall, Dak, and Bo Wallace.
I had forgotten that Morgan Newton was rated that high. Watching him over the years, it wasn't hard to do.
| Name | Team | Yr | Pos | G | Rush Yards | Pass Yards | Plays | Total Yards | Yards/Play | Yards/G | |
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| 1 | Johnny Manziel | Texas A&M | SO | QB | 12 | 686 | 3732 | 524 | 4418 | 8.43 | 368.2 |
| 2 | Aaron Murray | Georgia | SR | QB | 11 | 186 | 3075 | 400 | 3261 | 8.15 | 296.5 |
| 3 | Bo Wallace | Miss | JR | QB | 12 | 269 | 3090 | 523 | 3359 | 6.42 | 279.9 |
| 4 | Zach Mettenberger | LSU | SR | QB | 12 | -133 | 3082 | 330 | 2949 | 8.94 | 245.8 |
| 5 | Dak Prescott | Miss St | SO | QB | 10 | 751 | 1657 | 359 | 2408 | 6.71 | 240.8 |
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Number skewed against him considering he only played basically one quarter in 2 of those games. Reality(8.6 games) puts him 3rd in the conference in total offense/game.
| Name | Team | Yr | Pos | G | Att | Comp | Pct. | Yards | Yards/Att | TD | Int | Rating | Att/G | Yards/G | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Johnny Manziel | Texas A&M | SO | QB | 12 | 391 | 270 | 69.1 | 3732 | 9.5 | 33 | 13 | 170.43 | 32.6 | 311.0 |
| 2 | Aaron Murray | Georgia | SR | QB | 11 | 347 | 225 | 64.8 | 3075 | 8.9 | 26 | 9 | 158.82 | 31.5 | 279.5 |
| 3 | Bo Wallace | Miss | JR | QB | 12 | 405 | 261 | 64.4 | 3090 | 7.6 | 17 | 9 | 137.94 | 33.8 | 257.5 |
| 4 | Zach Mettenberger | LSU | SR | QB | 12 | 296 | 192 | 64.9 | 3082 | 10.4 | 22 | 8 | 171.45 | 24.7 | 256.8 |
| 5 | Austyn Carta-Samuels | Vanderbilt | SR | QB | 10 | 281 | 193 | 68.7 | 2268 | 8.1 | 11 | 9 | 142.99 | 28.1 | 226.8 |
| 6 | AJ McCarron | Alabama | SR | QB | 12 | 306 | 207 | 67.6 | 2676 | 8.7 | 26 | 5 | 165.88 | 25.5 | 223.0 |
| 7 | Connor Shaw | S Carolina | SR | QB | 12 | 259 | 158 | 61.0 | 2135 | 8.2 | 21 | 1 | 156.23 | 21.6 | 177.9 |
| 8 | Dak Prescott | Miss St | SO | QB | 10 | 239 | 139 | 58.2 | 1657 | 6.9 | 7 | 7 | 120.21 | 23.9 | 165.7 |
| 9 | Nick Marshall | Auburn | JR | QB | 12 | 212 | 128 | 60.4 | 1759 | 8.3 | 12 | 5 | 144.03 | 17.7 | 146.6 |
| 10 | Maxwell Smith | Kentucky | SO | QB | 9 | 183 | 105 | 57.4 | 1276 | 7.0 | 9 | 1 | 131.09 | 20.3 | 141.8 |
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Again, a skewed number due to actual snaps played.
| Name | Team | Yr | Pos | G | Att | Yards | Avg. | TD | Att/G | Yards/G | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Tre Mason | Auburn | JR | RB | 13 | 283 | 1621 | 5.73 | 22 | 21.77 | 124.69 |
| 2 | Jeremy Hill | LSU | SO | RB | 11 | 175 | 1185 | 6.77 | 14 | 15.91 | 107.73 |
| 3 | T.J. Yeldon | Alabama | SO | RB | 11 | 190 | 1163 | 6.12 | 13 | 17.27 | 105.73 |
| 4 | Mike Davis | S Carolina | SO | RB | 11 | 194 | 1134 | 5.85 | 11 | 17.64 | 103.09 |
| 5 | Todd Gurley | Georgia | SO | RB | 9 | 144 | 903 | 6.27 | 10 | 16.00 | 100.33 |
| 6 | Rajion Neal | Tennessee | SR | RB | 12 | 215 | 1124 | 5.23 | 12 | 17.92 | 93.67 |
| 7 | Alex Collins | Arkansas | FR | RB | 12 | 190 | 1026 | 5.40 | 4 | 15.83 | 85.50 |
| 8 | Nick Marshall | Auburn | JR | QB | 12 | 156 | 1023 | 6.56 | 11 | 13.00 | 85.25 |
| 9 | Henry Josey | Missouri | JR | RB | 13 | 162 | 1074 | 6.63 | 13 | 12.46 | 82.62 |
| 10 | Dak Prescott | Miss St | SO | QB | 10 | 120 | 751 | 6.26 | 11 | 12.00 | 75.10 |
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Better rushing numbers than Johnny Football. Yes, he did. Still a skewed number.
| Name | Team | Yr | Pos | G | TD | FG | 1XP | 2XP | Safety | Points | Points/G | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Tre Mason | Auburn | JR | RB | 13 | 23 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 138 | 10.6 |
| 2 | Marshall Morgan | Georgia | SO | K | 10 | 0 | 18 | 46 | 0 | 0 | 100 | 10.0 |
| 2 | Todd Gurley | Georgia | SO | RB | 9 | 15 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 90 | 10.0 |
| 4 | Andrew Baggett | Missouri | SO | K | 13 | 0 | 16 | 61 | 0 | 0 | 109 | 8.4 |
| 5 | Cody Parkey | Auburn | SR | K | 13 | 0 | 14 | 62 | 0 | 0 | 104 | 8.0 |
| 5 | Dak Prescott | Miss St | SO | QB | 10 | 13 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 80 | 8.0 |
| 7 | Elliott Fry | S Carolina | FR | P | 12 | 0 | 15 | 50 | 0 | 0 | 95 | 7.9 |
| 8 | Colby Delahoussaye | LSU | FR | K | 12 | 0 | 13 | 53 | 0 | 0 | 92 | 7.7 |
| 9 | Jeremy Hill | LSU | SO | RB | 11 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 84 | 7.6 |
| 10 | Cade Foster | Alabama | SR | K | 12 | 0 | 11 | 56 | 0 | 0 | 89 | 7.4 |
| 11 | Carey Spear | Vanderbilt | SR | K | 12 | 1 | 13 | 43 | 0 | 0 | 88 | 7.3 |
| 12 | Andrew Ritter | Miss | SR | K | 12 | 0 | 15 | 40 | 0 | 0 | 85 | 7.1 |
| 12 | T.J. Yeldon | Alabama | SO | RB | 11 | 13 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 78 | 7.1 |
| 12 | Jerron Seymour | Vanderbilt | SO | RB | 11 | 13 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 78 | 7.1 |
| 12 | Josh Lambo | Texas A&M | SO | K | 9 | 0 | 7 | 43 | 0 | 0 | 64 | 7.1 |
| 16 | Henry Josey | Missouri | JR | RB | 13 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 84 | 6.5 |
| 17 | Michael Palardy | Tennessee | SR | K | 12 | 0 | 14 | 34 | 0 | 0 | 76 | 6.3 |
| 18 | Mike Evans | Texas A&M | SO | WR | 12 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 72 | 6.0 |
| 18 | Rajion Neal | Tennessee | SR | RB | 12 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 72 | 6.0 |
| 18 | Mike Davis | S Carolina | SO | RB | 11 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 66 | 6.0 |
| 21 | Joe Mansour | Kentucky | SR | K | 12 | 1 | 12 | 28 | 0 | 0 | 70 | 5.8 |
| 22 | Zach Hocker | Arkansas | SR | K | 12 | 0 | 13 | 28 | 0 | 0 | 67 | 5.6 |
| 23 | Dorial Green-Beckham | Missouri | SO | WR | 13 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 72 | 5.5 |
| 23 | Nick Marshall | Auburn | JR | QB | 12 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 66 | 5.5 |
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Best scoring number of any QB in the league -- by a mile.
No need for me to say "fact if" -- because ultimately you are an idiot. And basically every real metric out there says he was one of the better QBs in the league last year as a RSSO getting his first career starts. I'm sure you will find an article after his 3rd career start to semi-support your position though**
Are you blind Dak threw to mostly freshman and first year playing sophomores with the exception Jameon who as talented as he is is not a 6'3 or 6'5 Evans or Beckham and Landry if he had one of those to help Jameon his rating increases by 15%. Rushing record with barely 7 full games adding all performance quarters combined. And losing his mom who was his single parent and best friend. And a leader who has changed most of the mind sets into faith, hard work and a never give up attitude with all heart instead of quit. Despite fans like you. Numbers don't lie.
That ranking you linked to ...
was written after the first 4 games of the season AND 50% of the evaluation is based on "Pro skills." It's good to have college QBs with pro potential BUT, I'm more interested in having the "best" QB suited to our system.
That 'rating' has Nick Marshal rated #9, one slot better than Dak and he is going to be playing for the NC on Monday.
was written after the first 4 games of the season AND 50% of the evaluation is based on "Pro skills." It's good to have college QBs with pro potential BUT, I'm more interested in having the "best" QB suited to our system.
That 'rating' has Nick Marshal rated #9, one slot better than Dak and he is going to be playing for the NC on Monday.
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