I thought RebelBruiser didn't keep up with recruiting?

[JacksonDevilDog]

POSTED ON NAFOOM:

"That's just the thing. I think people are freaking out way too soon about his recruiting. You're probably right that you can get a little bit of a gauge on recruiting sooner. However, I think the reason people are freaking out is because State is getting commits from most of the in state guys.

That really doesn't bother me much. I know winning recruiting battles in state is important. However, when was the last time you saw a team in Mississippi be able to win with Mississippi recruits alone. I think we'll do better in state after we put together a winning season or two. Until then, I think Nutt and his staff will do a good enough job bringing in guys from other states that are overlooked.

Just judging by his first class, that was put together in less than 2 months, I feel like he has a clue what he's doing. He brought in a full class, filled some immediate needs, and brought in some guys that appear to be doing well according to early reports (Gerald Rivers, Justin Smith, Bolden, E. Davis, Thomas, Stanley, Andrew Harris, Trahan, Emmanuel Stephens). By the way, only 6 of our 30 signees from this past class were Orgeron commits. Orgeron had a lot more players committed, but Nutt basically dismantled that entire class and rebuilt it in less than 2 months with some quality players. That gives me confidence that he can piece together a talented class without having to do it all early in the process and without having to do it with in state guys.

By the way, I'd only call 5 of our last classes signees "in state" prospects. We did a lot of recruiting in Georgia, Texas, and Louisiana. I'm fine with that. It looks like we'll also recruit Florida a decent amount as well. To me, that's a good thing, because each of those states has more quality D-1 prospects than the top teams in those states can sign. LSU doesn't have room for every quality D-1 player in the state, just as Florida, Miami, and FSU can't take them all in Florida, and Texas, Oklahoma, and A&M can't get them all in Texas, and Georgia can't get them all in state. The "left overs" from those states are good enough to build a very quality program. "

 

[JacksonDevilDog]

POSTED ON NAFOOM:

"That's just the thing. I think people are freaking out way too soon about his recruiting. You're probably right that you can get a little bit of a gauge on recruiting sooner. However, I think the reason people are freaking out is because State is getting commits from most of the in state guys.

That really doesn't bother me much. I know winning recruiting battles in state is important. However, when was the last time you saw a team in Mississippi be able to win with Mississippi recruits alone. I think we'll do better in state after we put together a winning season or two. Until then, I think Nutt and his staff will do a good enough job bringing in guys from other states that are overlooked.

Just judging by his first class, that was put together in less than 2 months, I feel like he has a clue what he's doing. He brought in a full class, filled some immediate needs, and brought in some guys that appear to be doing well according to early reports (Gerald Rivers, Justin Smith, Bolden, E. Davis, Thomas, Stanley, Andrew Harris, Trahan, Emmanuel Stephens). By the way, only 6 of our 30 signees from this past class were Orgeron commits. Orgeron had a lot more players committed, but Nutt basically dismantled that entire class and rebuilt it in less than 2 months with some quality players. That gives me confidence that he can piece together a talented class without having to do it all early in the process and without having to do it with in state guys.

By the way, I'd only call 5 of our last classes signees "in state" prospects. We did a lot of recruiting in Georgia, Texas, and Louisiana. I'm fine with that. It looks like we'll also recruit Florida a decent amount as well. To me, that's a good thing, because each of those states has more quality D-1 prospects than the top teams in those states can sign. LSU doesn't have room for every quality D-1 player in the state, just as Florida, Miami, and FSU can't take them all in Florida, and Texas, Oklahoma, and A&M can't get them all in Texas, and Georgia can't get them all in state. The "left overs" from those states are good enough to build a very quality program. "

 

[JacksonDevilDog]

POSTED ON NAFOOM:

"That's just the thing. I think people are freaking out way too soon about his recruiting. You're probably right that you can get a little bit of a gauge on recruiting sooner. However, I think the reason people are freaking out is because State is getting commits from most of the in state guys.

That really doesn't bother me much. I know winning recruiting battles in state is important. However, when was the last time you saw a team in Mississippi be able to win with Mississippi recruits alone. I think we'll do better in state after we put together a winning season or two. Until then, I think Nutt and his staff will do a good enough job bringing in guys from other states that are overlooked.

Just judging by his first class, that was put together in less than 2 months, I feel like he has a clue what he's doing. He brought in a full class, filled some immediate needs, and brought in some guys that appear to be doing well according to early reports (Gerald Rivers, Justin Smith, Bolden, E. Davis, Thomas, Stanley, Andrew Harris, Trahan, Emmanuel Stephens). By the way, only 6 of our 30 signees from this past class were Orgeron commits. Orgeron had a lot more players committed, but Nutt basically dismantled that entire class and rebuilt it in less than 2 months with some quality players. That gives me confidence that he can piece together a talented class without having to do it all early in the process and without having to do it with in state guys.

By the way, I'd only call 5 of our last classes signees "in state" prospects. We did a lot of recruiting in Georgia, Texas, and Louisiana. I'm fine with that. It looks like we'll also recruit Florida a decent amount as well. To me, that's a good thing, because each of those states has more quality D-1 prospects than the top teams in those states can sign. LSU doesn't have room for every quality D-1 player in the state, just as Florida, Miami, and FSU can't take them all in Florida, and Texas, Oklahoma, and A&M can't get them all in Texas, and Georgia can't get them all in state. The "left overs" from those states are good enough to build a very quality program. "

 

[8dog]

"However, when was the last time you saw a team in Mississippi be able to win with Mississippi recruits alone"

Of course you can't just win with mississippians. There are probaby 15 with SEC talent and several of those won't qualify so even if you signed all of them, you still have over half of a class to sign from elsewhere. How many states can you field a full team with and win outside of Cal, TX, Fl and maybe Ga?

 

[TR.sixpack]

Change the names and you've got a Genespage post circa 2004.
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[Optimus Prime 4]

and I actually do not have a Rivals nor a Scout subscription these days.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Actually, what I've said is that I don't get worked up about commits, etc. (especially in the summer), and I don't buy into recruiting rankings.

I have said multiple times that I do follow recruiting because I like to know who we get, what schools were recruiting them, what positions they play, where they are from, etc., but I don't get caught up in the rankings. I wait until I see players actually do something before I pass judgment on whether we're recruiting well. That doesn't mean I don't keep up with who we're going after and who we're getting.

And honestly I really don't care where our players come from. I think we signed quite a few very quality players in our last class (at least from some of the early reports), and many of them are from Georgia, Texas, Louisiana, etc. Signing in state kids is good and all because it might be a little bit more sustainable, but as long as we're getting quality players, I don't care where they are from.

A good example of people buying too much into rankings is the group of our fans that automatically think Enrique Davis is going to be our best running back this fall and expect him at worst to be splitting carries with Eason. Meanwhile, he's neck and neck with Brandon Bolden (3 star) for the No. 2 spot, and Bolden may be a slight bit ahead of him. We have fans that will be upset if Davis doesn't get significant carries. For me, I don't care who gets the carries. I just want to see the best player out there. We had the same thing with Robert Lane. We had tons of fans screaming for him to get in the game, when in reality, he wasn't playing because he wasn't good enough.

 

[DiamondReb]

You've said numerous times you don't follow recruiting until January.

 

[patdog]

and then says Nutt's recruiting has been good so far. So much for waiting to see how they actually perform.</p>

 

[cowbell9]

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[RebelBruiser]

and then says Nutt's recruiting has been good so far. So much for waiting to see how they actually perform.</p>

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Go back and re-read that post. I noted a couple of guys that have been performing well based on early reports at practice. Quite a few of his guys from the past class are pushing for playing time. And quite a few of those guys weren't that highly rated. And I said that gives me a decent amount of confidence in his ability to find players that can play.

It's a perfect example of why I don't buy into the recruiting rankings. I'm not saying all of those guys will be great, but quite a few of the players he signed in his past class have apparently shown up ahead of the curve according to reports. That's about the only measure we have about his recruiting, and so far it's been fairly positive, so I'm not freaking out about our current class.

I'm assuming we'll sign about 75% of our class from out of state, and I'm assuming that a good number of those guys will turn out to be quality players.

Edited to add: Seriously, I could only name maybe a handful of our current commits to this point. I know McCray because of all the business that's come up with MSU. Clayton Moore and that kid from Kingsbury are the only other guys I can even think of right now. I'd have to look it up to see who else we have.

 

[Goat Holder]

and that's the way he is. He takes subtle shots to try and get reactions, playing down what MSU does well and sunshine pumping what Ole Miss does well. Perfect example of a Spirit guy masquerading as a Nafoomer.

You know how I know? Because I'm the same way. I will always look for ways to build up MSU while at the same time downplay what our rivals do. I don't want to be objective about MSU, it's all I know, and it's the only team I really give 2 ***** about. As far as I'm concerned Starkville is the best college town in the country.

And I will continue to laugh at the sheep that are in denial about who they really are.

 

[Porkchop.sixpack]

long winded. But, damn......do they not teach writing in a concise manner at OM?

 

[Goat Holder]

nm

 

[cowbell9]

both are longwinded and contradict themselves repeatedly.</p>

 

[Temple of the Dawg]

You and other Rebel posters have been telling us for months that your team has an abundance of talent. Many of you have said you had the talent to win 6 games last year except that you had a buffoon as a coach.

I noted a couple of guys that have been performing well based on early reports at practice. <span style="text-decoration: underline; font-weight: bold;">Quite a few of his guys from the past class are pushing for playing time. And quite a few of those guys weren't that highly rated.</span> And I said that gives me a decent amount of confidence in his ability to find players that can play.

How can true freshmen with no college experience at all being pushing out all of the talent that was obviously stockpiled in front of them just waiting for the right coach?

 

[RebelBruiser]

Short answer, they aren't pushing out the starters. They are just pushing for playing time. I'd have to look at the list of names I gave, but I'm pretty sure none of them are slated to start. There have been quite a few that have been pleasant surprises though, and they've made the redshirt decision a lot tougher.

 

[DiamondReb]

OM lost 95% of its rushing yards. So somebody new will play. Your argument is pointless in saying that OM must not have had much talent last year because newcomers at challenging for PT. The RB class we signed was one of the best in the country on paper and they have all gotten rave reviews from Nutt this fall. Joe McKnight played as a freshman at USC so they must not have had talent right?

And yes you have heard correctly that many believe OM had a lot of talent and still does have a lot of talent. It's a pretty sure bet that Oher, Peria Jerry, John Jerry, Snead, McCluster and Hardy would all be the best player on your team with the possible exception of Pegues with some of those guys. (I happen to think that Pegues is somewhat overrated. He's an effective kick returner and coverage safety but he has little impact in the running game. He's not a game changing saftey like Shawn Taylor or Landry from LSU) I also believe that you take any of our top 5 or 6 DL and our top 5 or 6 WR and they would all be number 1 on your team at that position.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

That guy was an embarrassment to the journalistic profession.

 

[Goat Holder]

It's a pretty sure bet that Oher, Peria
Jerry, John Jerry, Snead, McCluster and Hardy would all be the best player on your team with the possible exception of Pegues with some of those guys. (I
happen to think that Pegues is somewhat overrated. He's an effective kick returner and coverage safety but he has little impact in the running game.
He's not a game changing saftey like Shawn Taylor or Landry from LSU) I also believe that you take any of our top 5 or 6 DL and our top 5 or 6 WR and they
would all be number 1 on your team at that position.

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You effing dumbass. Get lost.

 

[DiamondReb]

What do you disagree with?

 

[Goat Holder]

and the rest of the quote was pretty much ******** too. 5 or 6 good players don't make a team. Happen to see our 2006 team? I guess not.

Connor was rated higher than Snead in the recruiting rankings. That's all we know about either of them.

We had a solid D-Line back then too. We couldn't defend the pass. 9 losses later.....

Derek Sherrod is as good as Oher or J. Jerry. Next.....

 

[awalkerdog]

your fukuing retarded.

He is one of the best DB's in the game and on the Jim Thorpe watch list this year and all SEC and aaaall fuku it.

 

[JohnDawg]

I also believe that you take any of our top 5 or 6 DL and our top 5 or 6 WR and they would all be number 1 on your team at that position.

Are you serious? You've said some stupid ****, but damn.

And about Pegues not being a game-changing safety? I guess you forgot about the pick 6's, interceptions that led to touchdowns/fg's, and numerous pass break ups during the Auburn, Alabama, Ole Miss, and UCF games?

You just went full retard.

 

[DiamondReb]

Where in my post did I make a prediction about wins and losses? The argument was that we have talent. I noticed you didn't have a damn thing to throw out there in terms of anyone being better than the six I mentioned other than Connor? I don't even know who that is? Omar Connor? If you're going to say that Sherrod is as good as Oher or Jerry (laughable at this point) then I'll say that Bolden and Enrique Davis are better than Dixon. See it's easy to make blanket statements like that. Overall that is a pathetic argument. Basically you're saying I'm right but that doesn't mean anything cause state had talent in 2000 sucked. Nice argument.

And as for Pegues. I said he was a good cover safety and punt returner but he won't be an impact player in the NFL and he's just not any good against the run. He's not a cover corner he's a safety. He's not supposed to just cover guys he's supposed to make tackles. Look at Steltz at LSU. That guy will never play a down in the NFL but he had twice the number of solo and total tackels as Pegues and he had one more interception. Pegues had 32 solo tackles last year and 50 total tackles. That's pretty crappy. Hell Johnny Brown (same position player at OM) had 36 solos and he didn't even start every game and he was a true freshman. I'm just not amazed as some of you seem to be. Cue the irrationally angry hate post due to the fact that I'm making a rational post that refutes yours and you can't make a logical calm comeback.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...I think you're caught brother. You've said numerous times that you don't really follow recruiting, and this post just takes the cake.

I'll be honest. I don't mind you being around. I usually enjoy your take. You typically give well though out responses, while taking a bunch of crap around here. Some deserved, some undeserved. However, lately, you've gone back to your game of trying to rationalize/defend/promote Ole Miss while trying to look like you're not rationalizing/defending/promoting Ole Miss. You try to come across as this open-minded poster, but really you're just a sheep who is getting worked up by Nutt's recruiting (or lack thereof) like everybody else, and posts on the state board that you don't care about recruiting, it doesn't really matter, etc. while simultaneously posting on the OM board an analysis of Nutt's recruiting practice that SEC football magazine would probably pay for. It reeks of hypocrisy.

Just sayin'

 

[DiamondReb]

He didn't have the pick six in the Bama game. I believe that was Anthony Johnson (that was the game changing play) I don't think he had an interception in the egg bowl but I could be wrong. Either way what changed the game was the fourth down stop and the punt return (remember I said he was a good returner). I don't know about UCF but that game was boring as ****. I can't remember what happened in the Auburn game. A pass break-up is not a game changing event. If you're going to make that argument then you can say that every tackle is a game changing event, otherwise the guy would have scored. Again read my above response to Goat for more arguments against Pegues (and I'm not saying the guy isn't good, I just don't think he's great) and for the record yes I would take him at OM in a heart beat. But I wouldn't trade any of the guys I mentioned for him.

 

[VegasDawg13]

You implied that Pegues would only arguably be one of your six best players because you think he is overrated. You then defended your position of thinking he is overrated by saying he isn't as good as Shawn Taylor. So, are you saying that this Ole Miss team has several players that are as good as Shawn Taylor, since to not be as good as Shawn Taylor equals overrated and not good enough to be in OM's top six players?

 

[DowntownDawg]

...

Perfect example of a Spirit guy masquerading as a Nafoomer.

And I will continue to laugh at the sheep that are in denial about who they really are.

You are more like DiamondReb than Bruiser. And even though DiamondReb gets on everybody's nerves, at least he doesn't try to act like he's objective or not a sheep. He's a homer and he doesn't care, which is slightly more refreshing than Bruiser's constant spin these days.

 

[awalkerdog]

If your free safety is one of the leading tacklers on defense, then your linebackers and defense line must really SUCK. How can you say **** that stupid. If your safety is making a bunch of tackels then you probably getting the hell beat out of you. </p>

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

nm

 

[muddawgs33]

Where in my post did I make a prediction about wins and losses? The argument was that we have talent. I noticed you didn't have a damn thing to throw out there in terms of anyone being better than the six I mentioned other than Connor? I don't even know who that is? Omar Connor? If you're going to say that Sherrod is as good as Oher or Jerry (laughable at this point) then I'll say that Bolden and Enrique Davis are better than Dixon. See it's easy to make blanket statements like that. Overall that is a pathetic argument. Basically you're saying I'm right but that doesn't mean anything cause state had talent in 2000 sucked. Nice argument.

And as for Pegues. I said he was a good cover safety and punt returner but he won't be an impact player in the NFL and he's just not any good against the run. He's not a cover corner he's a safety. He's not supposed to just cover guys he's supposed to make tackles. Look at Steltz at LSU. That guy will never play a down in the NFL but he had twice the number of solo and total tackels as Pegues and he had one more interception. Pegues had 32 solo tackles last year and 50 total tackles. That's pretty crappy. Hell Johnny Brown (same position player at OM) had 36 solos and he didn't even start every game and he was a true freshman. I'm just not amazed as some of you seem to be. Cue the irrationally angry hate post due to the fact that I'm making a rational post that refutes yours and you can't make a logical calm comeback.

I'll say this, if your safeties are making alot of tackles then your front 7 ain't worth a ****. I sure as hell wouldn't be bragging about some true freshman that didn't even start having more solo tackles than Pegues who started every game. While safeties do aid in run support, you would really like for your front 7 to make the tackle, because if the running back gets to Pegues, then he just gained 6 or 7 yards if not more, so I'm not sure what your point is. Also, your OL gave up 28 sacks last year and our OL gave up 21 but yet your OL is better? Our defense had 92 tackles for loss and Ole Miss had 75 and your front 4 are better? Ole miss gave up 4.7 per rush while State gave up 4.1 yards per rush, but your defense front is better? I know this is a different year, but until the season starts and Ole Miss shows that their OL and DL are better, just STFU because you sound like a douche...</p>

 

[cowbell9]

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[Dawgfan61]

can come on here claiming to have more talent, but have not won a single SEC game since two years ago. I really don't know where the flagship university gets this aura of supremacity.

 

[JohnDawg]

I was grouping the things together along with the games, not saying he did each one in every game. Here's a breakdown from what I can remember.

Auburn game - Pick 6 on the first play of the game for Auburn and numerous pass break ups.
Alabama - Interception return that led to the final touchdown.
Ole Miss - Punt return TD.
UCF - 2 interceptions and many pass break ups including the final one of the game.

Looks like a game-changer to me. Like I said, you have gone full retard.

 

[Brutius]

they have the "it was Coach O's fault" excuse, so they can make up a bunch of ******** about how they are more talented and every position they have 6 deep would start at MSU. This year when they go 4-7, they will have to come up with some other excuse because none of them are ever going to admit that MSU was actually better in some way.

 

[Chesusdog]

What's with the Falcor pic?

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

and since I remember liking that movie, I put it in my sig out of spite. I should kudos you for remembering Falkor's name too. I also have noticed Atreyu is a band's name now.

 

[silentdawg]

Holy ****,in all my yrs of reading sports message boards DiamondReb now takes the lead of being the "stupid $#$% poster".

"Oher, Peria Jerry, John Jerry, Snead, McCluster and Hardy would all be the best player on your team"

Oher is good solid player but both he and Pegues are projected as NFL 1st rd picks.Peria stays hurt,John Jerry?**** I take Strauder,Sherrod,and JC over him,Snead?come back when he plays a full season as a starter,McLuster hasn't done **** in college other than a few big runs vs Memphis WOW!!!!,Hardy is a solid player and would start over the DE's we have now.</p>

By the way I doubt anyone on our team would want to be traded for anyone on your team as well.LOL</p>

 

[Chesusdog]

The second one, though, not so much.