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Snead's going to be a junior. The Indian kid will be a RS Fr. They have no other QBs that I can see and no great prospect for signing a good one in February. At least no QB I can think of other than the mysterious Bama ticking off a QB recruit then starting a highly unlikely musical chairs scenario.

It wouldn't break my heart to see us sign the kid. If he works out, keep him. If he's a problem, boot him.</p>
 

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The Lord Humongous said:
Snead's going to be a junior. The Indian kid will be a RS Fr. They have no other QBs that I can see and no great prospect for signing a good one in February. At least no QB I can think of other than the mysterious Bama ticking off a QB recruit then starting a highly unlikely musical chairs scenario.

It wouldn't break my heart to see us sign the kid. If he works out, keep him. If he's a problem, boot him.</p>

I think Raymond Cotton is a good prospect that has us in the lead.
 

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from the Spirit and Rivals crowd, We'll be set with Snead for two more years then Stanley. But I for one would love to see us sign another QB. Hopefully if Moore gets his troubles worked out we can pick him up.
 
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and I'm too lazy to look it up. No team can survive on two scholarship QBs. Being one injury away from having one QB on the team is pretty scary. Honestly, anything under 4 scholarship QB at one time is worrisome to me but 3 almost has to be the minimum for having any peace of mind. I'd certainly take the two you've got in a heart beat but that wasn't the point of my comment. It was about the numbers.

Hadn't thought about Cotton as the other guy noted. Good for y'all if you can get him. If I'm UM, I'm still trying to sign 2 QBs but would be very concerned not to sign at least one.
 

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He backed up Snead this year. Though he isn't really anything to write home about, competent back up.
 

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The Lord Humongous said:
and I'm too lazy to look it up. No team can survive on two scholarship QBs. Being one injury away from having one QB on the team is pretty scary. Honestly, anything under 4 scholarship QB at one time is worrisome to me but 3 almost has to be the minimum for having any peace of mind. I'd certainly take the two you've got in a heart beat but that wasn't the point of my comment. It was about the numbers.

Hadn't thought about Cotton as the other guy noted. Good for y'all if you can get him. If I'm UM, I'm still trying to sign 2 QBs but would be very concerned not to sign at least one.

Agree 100% that we need to sign at least 1 -
 

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1. He's trouble. Plain and simple.

2. He wasn't even the best passer on his HS team. The other QB had better numbers than he did on more attempts. The other QBs running stats weren't much below Moore's either. I think Moore was a decent HS player surrounded by a good HS line and other good skill position players.

That said, if what OP4 said is right and he'll be a walkon at UM, I don't see how they could be making a big mistake. I just don't see him lasting too long up there or anywhere else.
 
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I just don't see him lasting too long up there or anywhere else.

Nor does many others, except a few homers on the pay sites.
 

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he's just not good enough, and he's not going to get a scholarship at Ole Miss.

Edited to add: I've been saying all along that we need to sign 2 QBs with SEC potential in this class and the next combined. If that means we find two this year and none next that's fine. If it's one each of the next two years, that's fine. If it's none this year and 2 the next, that's fine as well.

We'll be fine this coming fall with Tapp and Stanley backing up Snead. That'll be as much QB depth as we've had in a long time.

I just want us to have at least two more QBs on the roster that will have the opportunity to redshirt before Snead completes his senior year. That gives us two signing classes to get them. If we land Cotton, then we go for one more next year. If we miss on Cotton, we go for two next year.
 

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A grayshirt is when you skip the fall semester and start school in January. Then you count against the following year's signing limit and still have 5 years to play 4 (which allows you to potentially play in your 6th year after finishing high school). If he's been told that he can pay his own way and then get a scholarship after 1-1/2 years, he's just a walkon. I'm not sure that he would ever count towards the signing limit for any year (although of course he would count towards the 85 total scholarships limit once he actually got a scholarship). Based on his history, I doubt he'll make it 1-1/2 years at UM.
 

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There's no real down side that I see. If he causes trouble, you kick him off the team. If he's not good enough to play, you just never come through with the "promised" scholarship. And if he can play (not likely but definitely possible), you've signed a QB without him ever counting towards your yearly 25-scholarship limit.</p>
 

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patdog said:
There's no real down side that I see. If he causes trouble, you kick him off the team. If he's not good enough to play, you just never come through with the "promised" scholarship. And if he can play (not likely but definitely possible), you've signed a QB without him ever counting towards your yearly 25-scholarship limit.</p>

I think we were originally going to sign him just to have an emergency QB around. Then when his fight with the coaches came up, we told him that he'd have to pay his way.

He's never been a high priority for our staff. Even when they had accepted his commitment, they were still looking around for other prospects. He's always been a Plan B guy. I'll be happy to take him if we don't have to give him a scholarship. I'll take a chance on anyone that you don't have to give a scholarship.
 

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RebelBruiser said:
patdog said:
There's no real down side that I see. If he causes trouble, you kick him off the team. If he's not good enough to play, you just never come through with the "promised" scholarship. And if he can play (not likely but definitely possible), you've signed a QB without him ever counting towards your yearly 25-scholarship limit.</p>

I think we were originally going to sign him just to have an emergency QB around. Then when his fight with the coaches came up, we told him that he'd have to pay his way.

He's never been a high priority for our staff. Even when they had accepted his commitment, they were still looking around for other prospects. He's always been a Plan B guy. I'll be happy to take him if we don't have to give him a scholarship. I'll take a chance on anyone that you don't have to give a scholarship.
How would you know all of this if you don't follow recruiting?
 
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hatfieldms said:
RebelBruiser said:
patdog said:
There's no real down side that I see. If he causes trouble, you kick him off the team. If he's not good enough to play, you just never come through with the "promised" scholarship. And if he can play (not likely but definitely possible), you've signed a QB without him ever counting towards your yearly 25-scholarship limit.</p>

I think we were originally going to sign him just to have an emergency QB around. Then when his fight with the coaches came up, we told him that he'd have to pay his way.

He's never been a high priority for our staff. Even when they had accepted his commitment, they were still looking around for other prospects. He's always been a Plan B guy. I'll be happy to take him if we don't have to give him a scholarship. I'll take a chance on anyone that you don't have to give a scholarship.
How would you know all of this if you don't follow recruiting?

Perhaps because it was discussed for about 3 or 4 days on NAFOOM.
 

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hatfieldms said:
RebelBruiser said:
patdog said:
There's no real down side that I see. If he causes trouble, you kick him off the team. If he's not good enough to play, you just never come
through with the "promised" scholarship. And if he can play (not likely but definitely possible), you've signed a QB without him ever counting
towards your yearly 25-scholarship limit.</p>

I think we were originally going to sign him just to have an emergency QB around. Then when his fight with the coaches came up, we told him that he'd have
to pay his way.

He's never been a high priority for our staff. Even when they had accepted his commitment, they were still looking around for other prospects. He's
always been a Plan B guy. I'll be happy to take him if we don't have to give him a scholarship. I'll take a chance on anyone that you don't
have to give a scholarship.
How would you know all of this if you don't follow recruiting?

I do follow recruiting, because I like to know some background on the players we are bringing in. I just don't buy into the recruiting rankings. There is a difference.

Rebelbruiser follows recruiting.
Rebelbruiser does not care about recruiting rankings.

Does that clear things up, or are you still confused? I realize it's confusing to some, because many think the only way to follow recruiting is the rankings.
 
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That's what I get for trying to analyze y'all's roster without looking it up. For some reason I thought he was a senior. In that case, with 3 guys on scholarship, it really does make sense to just sign one promising QB and forget the B list/ roster filler type. My bad for forgetting Tapp.
 

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Reb92 said:
The Lord Humongous said:
Snead's going to be a junior. The Indian kid will be a RS Fr. They have no other QBs that I can see and no great prospect for signing a good one in February. At least no QB I can think of other than the mysterious Bama ticking off a QB recruit then starting a highly unlikely musical chairs scenario.

It wouldn't break my heart to see us sign the kid. If he works out, keep him. If he's a problem, boot him.</p>

I think Raymond Cotton is a good prospect that has us in the lead.
What source tells you Cotton has Ole Miss in the lead?