I was right about Lee....
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Lee makes better decisions
Relf almost cost us 3 points by hitting a Vandy defender in the numbers at the goalline
Wilder needs to try and catch Lee's passes with his hands rather than his chest
They started loading the box on Relf cause they knew he couldnt throw it
Relf almost cost us 3 points by hitting a Vandy defender in the numbers at the goalline
Wilder needs to try and catch Lee's passes with his hands rather than his chest
They started loading the box on Relf cause they knew he couldnt throw it
...Lee DID cost us three points by making a poor decision to option pitch to a back who had a defender in his grill. The ensuing fumble gift-wrapped Vandy a field goal.
...to the option play I mentioned, where Elliot fumbled the ball, you're an idiot. Yeah, Elliot shouldn't have fumbled, but the bulk of the blame goes to Lee, who should've kept the ball and made the defender step up before pitching it.
I agree with you that Lee is a better thrower and needs to distinguish himself as the better QB if State is going to win many games this year. But the fact is that he hasn't done that. When he drops back to pass, he panics instead of going through his progressions when receivers are covered. He's got to be leading the nation in passes getting deflected, too. The **** he pulled at the end of the half by taking that sack was absolutely terrible.
Edited to add: Elliot didn't drop the ball as you say. He had it stripped. It got stripped from the back side while he got stood up. He didn't go anywhere because he was hit immediately.
I agree with you that Lee is a better thrower and needs to distinguish himself as the better QB if State is going to win many games this year. But the fact is that he hasn't done that. When he drops back to pass, he panics instead of going through his progressions when receivers are covered. He's got to be leading the nation in passes getting deflected, too. The **** he pulled at the end of the half by taking that sack was absolutely terrible.
Edited to add: Elliot didn't drop the ball as you say. He had it stripped. It got stripped from the back side while he got stood up. He didn't go anywhere because he was hit immediately.
...you have outdone yourself. You must not have seen the play. That's the only explanation for you to be so completely retarded on this topic.
...go watch it again. He slid sideways because there was a defender right in front of him. I didn't say Elliot was completely free of fault for fumbling. I said the bulk of the blame was on Lee for making that poor decision...which was a direct contradiction to your comments about Lee always making good decisions.
So, yeah, watch it aGAIN. In slow motion. Because your post makes it sound like he ran upfield four yards and fumbled the ball. He didn't. He got the pitch, had a guy right in front of him, slid laterally, and got stood up. He had nowhere to go.
So, yeah, watch it aGAIN. In slow motion. Because your post makes it sound like he ran upfield four yards and fumbled the ball. He didn't. He got the pitch, had a guy right in front of him, slid laterally, and got stood up. He had nowhere to go.
Elliot got the pitch, and tried to outrun the guy to the sideline- he couldnt and the guy stripped it from him as he tackled him. While Lee did in fact pitch it too early, the fumble was 100% on Elliot- and every time you say it isnt, the more idiotic you soundFrances Drebin said:
...I am looking like an idiot, because I'm arguing with an idiot. I should've known better and left it alone.
...you said Lee makes better decisions. That's the whole point of this ****** thread. Clearly, his decision-making is suspect at times.
If we had a legit QB, we would have won by 3 TD's or more. We've got a few weapons on offense but nobody to distribute the ball to them. All that being said, I am happy we pulled out the win. But there has to be someone on campus at least 6'2" that can play QB and fling the ball around a little bit. It goes without saying, but if Mullen doesn't bring in the 2 JUCO kickers, we probably lose this game tonight. If Russell gives us a chance to win 2 extra games this year, then it will be worth burning his redshirt. I say get him ready and give him a set number of plays to learn and execute. We 've got to have a passing threat and we need wins anyway we can get em. Then we need to recruit our asses off.
...did the pitch put Elliot in a good position with the ball in his hands? If your answer is yes, then Coach is right. If your answer is no, then why is Lee off the hook?
I said Elliot shouldn't have fumbled, and Mullen clearly agreed since Elliot didn't get the ball aGAIN, but this whole debate is moot if Lee does what he's supposed to do. The play failed because Lee made a poor decision. Then it blew up because Elliot fumbled while trying to make something out of nothing.
I said Elliot shouldn't have fumbled, and Mullen clearly agreed since Elliot didn't get the ball aGAIN, but this whole debate is moot if Lee does what he's supposed to do. The play failed because Lee made a poor decision. Then it blew up because Elliot fumbled while trying to make something out of nothing.
are pathetic regardless. I'm not sure we even have one on the roster (you guys told me russell sucked in practice).
That his decision making is "better." That doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. Just that he makes "better" decision. I'm not sure how you can really argue this one.
The fact of the matter is the defender that stripped the ball was responsible for the QB on the option. If Lee runs the option correctly, the defender that stripped the ball would be tackling Lee right after the ball is pitched instead of stripping it from Elliot. Elliot shouldn't have fumbled but Lee shares a lot of blame for that play.
would be the final nail in Lee's coffin as QB. As for the fumble, he should never have pitched the ball, bad decision again. Relf wore them out in the first half and you can stack 9 in the bos on Lee just as easy as he won't beat you with the pass. Sadly, almost all positions on this team are suspect just as the QB's.
I know it better than HD6 knows a Butterfinger. We've established that Lee didnt run it properly on that play. But blaming the fumble on him is moronic. Elliot didnt get hit just as he caught the pitch- he caught it and tried to beat the defender to the sideline. The guy stripped it when he tackled him. Elliot has got to hold on to the 17'ing football- notice Lee kept playing and Elliot didnt- I'd say Mullen blames Elliot on that as well.</p>
66 yards passing, 4.7 per completion a competent passing game? That's why we are keeping him out there?
Including tonight's action, Relf has more yards, TD's and a higher QB rating than Lee. And if Relf=Tebow freshman year, what does that make Lee? He sure as hell isn't Chris Leak at any point in time in his playing career.
Including tonight's action, Relf has more yards, TD's and a higher QB rating than Lee. And if Relf=Tebow freshman year, what does that make Lee? He sure as hell isn't Chris Leak at any point in time in his playing career.
you're a damned idiot. lee pitched the ball as soon as the defender looked at him. it was pathetic. lee is horrible. he's scared to get hit, he can't run an option offense. he missed several reads in the 1'st half.Coach34 said: