I was thinking about the game during supper

Todd4State

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and I realized that we got 10 hits today- that's not too bad, but we only got three runs. That's what happens when a small ball team does not- or in this case is not allowed to because of the weather- create runs.

Now, to be clear, I'm not blaming this loss on the weather at all. What I am blaming it on is the fact that our team isn't built to have that good power/speed balance that I have been talking about. When you have that balance, you don't have to worry about the weather as much because you know that you have the ability to score runs by other means. And it goes beyond weather- a good power pitcher can also shut down a small ball lineup because they know that they can just pound the strike zone without fear of someone hitting the ball out. And the more confident a really good pitcher is, the worse it is for you.

Having power basically makes a fast aggressive team that much more dangerous. A great example- the 1985 MSU baseball team. We had Dan Van Cleve and Gator Theisen at the top of the order, and they would wreak havoc on the basepaths. Then we followed that up with Thunder and Lightning- and I include Bobby Thigpen in that group, and then followed him up John Mitchell. By Van Cleve and Theisen getting on, it made Clark, Palmeiro, Thigpen all that much more dangerous and put pressure on the pitcher and defense. But perhaps more importantly, if you are a balanced team, you don't have to worry about the fact that a team might have someone like Ed Easley behind the plate to shut you down, and also you don't have to necessarily worry about and have to depend on your power guys to have a huge game because you still have the ability to create runs if you need to. And that's what you want because there are going to be times where we get into a slugfest and there are going to be times where we need to try to create like a pitcher's duel.

I've seen some people complain about the baserunning today, and I think those are legit complaints because it's not like the coaches didn't know that the field was wet. But, I think that they may have forced the issue some simply because that's really the only way that we can play right now with the players that we have. That's not excusing them, but it's understanding where they may have been coming from. Three plays that stand out to me that were baserunning plays- one where we did a double steal and Parks got thrown out at second- he has to make sure that he runs just as hard as the lead runner in that situation, Cody Freeman getting throw out at third trying to stretch a double into a triple really hurt- even though that was the second out of the inning, and then Ogden getting called out at home on a play where the umpire was out of position and guessed wrong.

Finally, a thought I had was about how happy I am that Devin Jones is pitching so well, and how I feel bad for him because we've had two tough losses in games that he has pitched pretty well in. I also think the coaching staff should not have used CC Watson and Busby in those situation with the game on the line. I think Caleb Reed would have been a much better choice. Yes, I understand that those pitchers need to get some work in, but they should have gotten that agianst Alcorn St. instead of having Kendall Graveman go seven. One personal rule that I have is do not get someone an appearance or work at the expense of a win. It doesn't do anybody any good. A famous example of that is the 1986 World Series when the Red Sox left Bill Buckner out there on the field instead of Dave Stapleton- a much better defensive first baseman- because the Red Sox manager wanted Buckner on the field for the World Championship win because of all that he had done for their team. Well, Buckner made a critical error, and cost the Red Sox the game and eventually they lost the World Series, and he was forever a goat. If someone needs some work, well, we have a huge IPF where they could go throw as well as the bullpen.

We will be OK, but I think people are seeing why I thought we would win 30 games this year. It was a bad day, but it's over, and we have to move on and beat Georgia State, and we get another chance at Iowa to take care of business.
 
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I can handle losing. After all, I'm an MSU fan. But don't do ridiculous **** to get yourself beat. That's what Croom did.
 

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Cohen is putting players in to see how they react to situations, I suppose he is trying to figure out who is ready to play and who isn't. IF we had been in SEC play yesterday he would have brought in Reed to close the game. He is still adjusting the lineup trying to give everyone a chance. Now do I think we will be good this year, probably be average but much improved. He hates losing as we all do, but you gotta throw some of these guys in the fire to see how they will perform. To early for some to jump off the wagon, wait till SEC play and lets see who plays and how he coaches as well.
 

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...and get into the SEC.

I don't know what the weather is going to allow us to do, but we need to win the rest of these games this weekend.
 

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...Freeman is our leading hitter by a mile, and yet Ryan Collins has gotten more at bats than him.

I understand that Thigpen is the better catcher, but the fact that he is hitting .211 while Freeman is hitting .481 makes me wonder if he is that much better. The problem with letting Freeman DH is that Thigpen has to hit and he seems to come up at big spots and rarely delivers. I'd like to see Freeman catch more and let Stark DH. He is 2-5. Not enough evidence out there on him yet, but we know what we're not going to get from Thigpen.

The three worst hitters on our team that have gotten substantial playing time are Shepherd, Vickerson, and Thigpen. Pure and simple, Shepherd and Vickerson need to pick it up. They have been through the SEC and have seen enough pitches on this level to start producing. If we can't get any more than what we are getting out them right now, it's going to be a long year.

I also just looked at our game by game lineups, and the three games where we have struggled offensively (2-0 win over Lamar, 2-1 loss to Belmont, 5-3 loss to Iowa) all have one thing in common. Collins and Thigpen both start and play most of the game. They were a combined 4-19 in those games. We are much better when even one of those guys sits. But I think what is happening is that the top 6 in the order are doing a decent job of getting on and it puts Collins and Thigpen in spots where we need the key hit to score some runs and, well, see the 9th inning yesterday.
 
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DowntownDawg said:
The three worst hitters on our team that have gotten substantial playing time are Shepherd, <span style="font-weight: bold;">Vickerson</span>, and Thigpen.
He doesn't belong in the same group with the other two. He's going to start every game no matter what. He's one of our best players.

But yeah with the others (Collins, Thigpen, Frost, etc.)....they shouldn't see the field. They aren't good. Jury's still out on Shepard - I've seen him at least get some clutch hits. But Thigpen is better behind the plate than Freeman.

None of this matters if we continue to kill all momentum by being dipshits on the base paths.
 

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...are both hitting better than him right now. He is 9th on the team. He has got to pick it up. We've got some young freshmens that can play second base that need to be out there if he can't swing the bat better than that.

I think he's just in a slump and will pick it up. He was fairly solid offensively last year if I can remember correctly.

Shepherd plays a great CF, but he has got to get better at the plate. Bottom line. Those guys are seniors and even though they are juco they played a lot last year. We need them to step up if we are going to be worth a crap.
 
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not that I'm the end all be all judge of talent, but I'd think you'd get a little more out of a guy that's been drafted twice.

I'm all about playing the freshmen. Stark, I believe, should start playing more if Brownlee or Shepard don't get their **** together. Or put him at second base and move Vickerson to right field.
 

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he is a much better defensive player and he handles the pitchers much better than Cody Freeman. But, if we're struggling at the plate, it's not a bad idea to try Freeman there. While he's no Ed Easley, he is also no Jason Burkley, either. He's functional defensively.

Wes Thigpen really should be a back-up catcher in a perfect world for us- someone that can give our starting catcher a day off every once in awhile. He shouldn't be the main guy on a SEC team.

Vickerson hit the ball hard three times- and each time, it seemed like someone made a great play to rob him of a hit. I would think that his luck will change soon.