I was wrong (an open letter to C34, fishwater etc)

[Brutius]

I was wrong about Sylvester Croom. I wanted so badly to not be wrong, but I was wrong. I wanted him so badly to succeed, to be the father figure that so many of the young black men in Mississippi need and deserve, to be a father and a great coach. Unfortunately what we want doesn't matter.

Coach Croom, you are a failure. In year 5 of your tenure, our offense is still absolutely terrible. You are by far the worst coach in the SEC now that Ed O. is no longer around. You are a great man, a motivational man, and a horrible coach. You went for it on 4th and 15th with 3 1/2 minutes left. You punted with 1 1/2 minutes left. You are a sad confused man who couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper sack.

So as I keep this short and sweet, here I am jumping off the Coach Croom bandwagon. I hung on for dear life hoping the LaTech game was a fluke, but alas it wasn't. MSU will never succeed with Coach Croom and Coach McCorvey.

Sincerely,
Brutius

 

[Brutius]

I was wrong about Sylvester Croom. I wanted so badly to not be wrong, but I was wrong. I wanted him so badly to succeed, to be the father figure that so many of the young black men in Mississippi need and deserve, to be a father and a great coach. Unfortunately what we want doesn't matter.

Coach Croom, you are a failure. In year 5 of your tenure, our offense is still absolutely terrible. You are by far the worst coach in the SEC now that Ed O. is no longer around. You are a great man, a motivational man, and a horrible coach. You went for it on 4th and 15th with 3 1/2 minutes left. You punted with 1 1/2 minutes left. You are a sad confused man who couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper sack.

So as I keep this short and sweet, here I am jumping off the Coach Croom bandwagon. I hung on for dear life hoping the LaTech game was a fluke, but alas it wasn't. MSU will never succeed with Coach Croom and Coach McCorvey.

Sincerely,
Brutius

 

[BriantheDawg]

could not have said that better myself. It doesn't matter what we want, those decisions last Saturday are inexcusable. I wiling to give Croom ONE more year, IF, and ONLY IF, he fires Woodrow and turns the entire offense over to a new OC. If not, Croom be gone, My Lord. Croom be gone.

 

[HD6]

the Croom bandwagon officially loses the last guy whom I would considered intelligent.

 

[DerHntr]

own up when they believe they were wrong. atta boy.

I try to put football coaching on a want and need basis. Heck I do this with most of my life. I don't think we need a coach who is a father figure, a great man, an inspiring person, etc. I think we need a person who can win through good coaching of fundamentals (Rambis will like that comment) wrapped in a bundle of great offensive and defensive scheming. This person needs to be able to recruit the right people for the job and if he can't get them here then he needs to scheme in such a way that promotes the talents of the people who he does add to the roster. This requires flexibility. This person also needs to supplement his own weaknesses with coaches who know as much or more than him about the game in particular areas and he needs to hold those coaches equally accountable for their abilities. That being said, I may want to have someone who is all of those other things (great guy, etc.) but if I don't get them I won't be pissed off on Saturday nights about it.

 

[Coach34]

I thought we hired him strictly as someone that would be a recruiting juggernaut, but after watching that first season, I knew we had problems. And year 2 was just more of the same and I was done with him. Watching the worst game played in college history when we played Tulane in S'port, late in the 4th quarter, Ray Charles turned his head to me and said, "this guy is terrible".

Thanks for owning up.</p>

 

[Columbus Dawg]

I still think MSU could succeed under Croom if he would bite the bullet and hire an offensive coordinator and turn the offense over to the coordinator much like he turned the defense over to Ellis Johnson.

We have/had a very good recruiting class this year even with our offensive performance the past 4 years. If we had just a decent offense we would be 3-0 and on our way to a great recruiting class and a great season. Hopefully, he can swallow his pride and scrap the scheme. I'm finally convined, it's just not going to work.

 

[Coach34]

but I've said it along- his stubborness will be his downfall...quotes like "i'll retire before I switch to the spread" shows the level of hardheadedness he has to what he is doing. A normal answer would be- "well, if we feel like it is something that helps us win games, we might consider it".....but you will never hear that from him.
And that is why he has 21 games left and an unraveling recruiting class

 

[Faustdog]

I still think MSU could succeed under Croom if he would bite the bullet and hire an offensive coordinator and turn the offense over to the coordinator much like he turned the defense over to Ellis Johnson.

We have/had a very good recruiting class this year even with our offensive performance the past 4 years. If we had just a decent offense we would be 3-0 and on our way to a great recruiting class and a great season. Hopefully, he can swallow his pride and scrap the scheme. I'm finally convined, it's just not going to work.

I agree with that. We could still be successful, but it's not looking good. Hopefully we can find an excuse for Woody to leave, and Croom will give up some control of the offense. If this doesn't happen, Croom is done.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

His unwillingness to change is destroying him. That and him saying stupid things to the press that he has done from the beginning.

 

[Coach34]

we'll see if Mr Byrne has the cahones we think he does.

 

[hatfieldms]

but I've said it along- his stubborness will be his downfall...quotes like "i'll retire before I switch to the spread" shows the level of hardheadedness he has to what he is doing. A normal answer would be- "well, if we feel like it is something that helps us win games, we might consider it".....but you will never hear that from him.
<span style="font-weight: bold;">And that is why he has 21 games left and an unraveling recruiting class</span>

I'm not sure he has that long left. If Byrne orders him to get rid of Woody at season's end and he doesnt we could be looking at a Cutcliffe situation

 

[beachbumdawg]

but I've said it along- his stubborness will be his downfall...quotes like "i'll retire before I switch to the spread" shows the level of hardheadedness he has to what he is doing. A normal answer would be- "well, if we feel like it is something that helps us win games, we might consider it".....but you will never hear that from him.
<span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">And that is why he has 21 games left and an unraveling recruiting class</span>

I'm not sure he has that long left. If Byrne orders him to get rid of Woody at season's end and he doesnt we could be looking at a Cutcliffe situation

I'm sure Cleveland is sharpeing his pencil too.....hoping this happens

 

[Frexzell]

From Cleveland's blog: "I am amazed at the vitriol of State fans complaining about Sly Croom and Woody McCorvey after State lost a one-point game to the No. 9 team in the country. Yes, the offense didn't get it done, but a lot of offenses won't get it done against Auburn. There are nine games left in the season, and it's no time for a mass leap off the bandwagon."

 

[Indndawg]

nuff said

 

[dpaul798]

rick cleveland is a tremendous douchebag

 

[ArmyofDoggness]

I still think MSU could succeed under Croom if he would bite the bullet and hire an offensive coordinator and turn the offense over to the coordinator much like he turned the defense over to Ellis Johnson.

We have/had a very good recruiting class this year even with our offensive performance the past 4 years. If we had just a decent offense we would be 3-0 and on our way to a great recruiting class and a great season. Hopefully, he can swallow his pride and scrap the scheme. I'm finally convined, it's just not going to work.

No he can not succeed. When he is forced to fire Woody at the end of the season and let's say he stays and goes and gets another OC, Byrne will only give him one year. Trust me on this, the FB hire will be his career hire and by the end of this season, he will be chomping at the bits.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

the Croom bandwagon officially loses the last guy whom <span style="font-weight: bold;">I would considered intelligent</span>.

The beauty of irony.....

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Coach34 wrote:

Thanks for owning up.</p>

How are you even vaguely familiar with this concept? You have never once owned up to one of your boneheaded predictions.

Ex:
Spurrier will have SC in the SEC Championship game within four years.
Sylvester Croom will never beat Nick Saban.
Spurrier just took the job at LSU. My buddy on the inside just told me so.

I commend Brutius for manning up. You might disagree with his politics, but you could certainly learn from his example.

 

[Shmuley]

Pedal your agenda-laden polyester bedecked flat *** to the rescue of these two indefensible incompetents so we can watch them get ****-canned like the last 2 clowns you so ably defended, LT and Bower. Come on, pRick, work yo magic!

 

[8dog]

which lead to the famous "I didn't think they would, I just said that."

And then there was the prediction that we'd lose at auburn in basketball this year which was preceded by the even more famous "we never win at Auburn" even though we were at least .500 in our last 4 trips there.

 

[HD6]

What are you, the grammar police?

/end whineybaby</p>

 

[TR.sixpack]

who is always the last person in Mississippi to realize when a coach needs to be fired, acts as if this is the first year the offense has struggled. This is year 5 of poor offensive production. There are no more excuses.

We've seen enough Croom-led teams to know how the script ends - some moral victories, mixed with a few blowouts and one upset. Of course it's still early, but this feels like 2006 all over again, including stubborn outbursts by Croom about assistant coaches.

 

[Coach34]

this year isnt over, but it doesnt look good for Spurrier
Ellis Johnson beat Saban
An LSU player relayed the Spurrier story, kinda hard not to pass that along</p>

</p>

Looks like I'm wrong about Spurrier, so be it. Crooms has damn sure shown he isnt overly responsible for the very few wins we have had in his tenure</p>

 

[DawgatAuburn]

....asst coaches dont have W-L records. Even though you said it wouldn't happen, Croom beat Saban, and even though you said it wouldn't happen MSU beat Auburn in hoops, and even though you said it wouldn't happen, MSU beat Tulane, and even though you said it WOULD happen, Giuliani did not win Florida on his way to the Republican nomination (almost forgot that one), and even though you said would/wouldn't happen, (fill in the blank).

 

[Coach34]

the very many that did as well.

I came on here after Kentucky last year and gave Crooms his due for that win. And i've also done that a few other times when it was warranted. Quit trying to start **** when there is no reason to

 

[saddawg]

I'm tempted to say screw you, Brutius, for your saying I hated him because he is black. As you now see, that had nothing to do with it. He is a bad football coach.

But, since you are bigger than I gave you credit for,(I never thought you would just post what you did), Bygones are bygones as far as I'm concerned..

P.S.
You are wrong about Obama,too.

 

[Brutius]

on Obama no need to discuss it. You can't understand how I think like a liberal hippie and I can't understand how you think like a right wing wacko. It's what makes America great.

At least we agree now on Croom. GET OUT OF TOWN CROOM YOU SUCK.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

If he's saying they should be fired, the coach doesn't want to talk to him. That's why we fans have been treated to reasons why Sherrill/Cutcliffe/LT/Bower/Orgeron should stay.

 

[TR.sixpack]

[No message]

 

[Shmuley]

photo of the hood ornament on that boat MUST GO!

Please, sad, help us out.

 

[fishwater99]

It was just a matter of time before Croom proved what a dumb coach he really is.
I have never doubted how great a christian man he is, but MSU needs a great football coach, not just a great role model.

I really appreciate your honesty..

PS: I hope you did not bet on Washington.
OU rolled them up like Big Mac is going to do to Obama...

</p>

 

[Brutius]

that OU game is a good example of why I don't bet anymore. Of course the "bet the farm on AU in a teaser at -4" idea from C34 was a nice one as well.