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The courts will be there as a check and another election will happen in 4 years.

Except in about 18 months to 2 years once SCOTUS decides against him on his trust and emoluments he will take his ball and go home to NYC like the spoiled little brat he is. I think Pence will make a great President, I'd have voted for him had he ran.
 

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But then they blocked everything else, including refusing to vote on his SC pick.

And all of Trumps cabinet picks haven't been contentious, just the most horrible ones.
Exactly. This is fake. And I think the smart ones on the right know what a joke DeVos is.
 

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But then they blocked everything else, including refusing to vote on his SC pick.

And all of Trumps cabinet picks haven't been contentious, just the most horrible ones.

It's been a night and day difference between how the first month of Obama's Presidency went and how Trump's is going. The ONLY pick that should have been this contentious is Devos.

I just hope the Dems understand the precedent they are setting. Much like the Nuclear option, they are laying the ground work to make things way more difficult for the next Democrat President.
 

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Except in about 18 months to 2 years once SCOTUS decides against him on his trust and emoluments he will take his ball and go home to NYC like the spoiled little brat he is. I think Pence will make a great President, I'd have voted for him had he ran.
I might actually like Trump more than Pence. Pence is a fuggin' nut.
 

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This is the type of ignorance I expect from liberals these days. Well done.
 

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It's been a night and day difference between how the first month of Obama's Presidency went and how Trump's is going. The ONLY pick that should have been this contentious is Devos.

I just hope the Dems understand the precedent they are setting. Much like the Nuclear option, they are laying the ground work to make things way more difficult for the next Democrat President.

Obama didn't do and say all the things Trump has done and said.

Why you can't see the difference in how Obama conducted himself and how Trump conducts himself is beyond me. They conduct themselves entirely differently, but you think everybody should be treated the same.

And I disagree ... Perry should be every bit as contentious as Devos is not moreso.

Which of Obama's cabinet picks were as grossly underqualified as Devos and Perry? Perry didn't even know everything the DOE does.
 

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Not ignorance, a fact. The ignorance would be on your part.
Trump is not issueing EO's because he can't work with Congress. He has issued orders to end previous orders that he thinks are hurting our economy and safety. The stark difference between what Obama did regarding executive orders legislating from the White House and trump ordering those to stop is pretty significant.
 
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Trump is not issueing EO's because he can't work with Congress. He has issued orders to end previous orders that he thinks are hurting our economy and safety. The stark difference between what Obama did regarding executive orders legislating from the White House and trump ordering those to stop is pretty significant.
It's the same, but carry-on!
 

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Obama didn't do and say all the things Trump has done and said.

Why you can't see the difference in how Obama conducted himself and how Trump conducts himself is beyond me. They conduct themselves entirely differently, but you think everybody should be treated the same.

And I disagree ... Perry should be every bit as contentious as Devos is not moreso.

Which of Obama's cabinet picks were as grossly underqualified as Devos and Perry? Perry didn't even know everything the DOE does.

My post has nothing to do with the actions of behavior of Obama or Trump, it has everything to do with the actions of behavior of the Dems and Reps in the Senate. For example, treating Jeff Sessions as a racist has more to do with the Dems in the Senate than anything Trump has ever done or said.

It's all pure divisive politics based on their hatred of Trump, and not the picks themselves (aside from Devos).

But hey... keep apologizing for it and finding excuses for it and enjoy the next 4 years of childish ******** from the parties.
 

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Did you just hear yourself?
Meant as mockery of the obstructionists, hence the throw up remark. Sorry, I thought it was obvious. It sure seems like failure is what the minority party is striving for at this point and I find it sickening and un-American.
 

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My post has nothing to do with the actions of behavior of Obama or Trump, it has everything to do with the actions of behavior of the Dems and Reps in the Senate. For example, treating Jeff Sessions as a racist has more to do with the Dems in the Senate than anything Trump has ever done or said.

It's all pure divisive politics based on their hatred of Trump, and not the picks themselves (aside from Devos).

But hey... keep apologizing for it and finding excuses for it and enjoy the next 4 years of childish ******** from the parties.

Not apologizing for it or making excuses for it ... just pointing out false equivalencies. I didn't like it when the GOP did it, and I don't like it now that the Dems are doing it.

You keep ignoring Perry ... that one is even worse than Devos.

But more to my point about Trump's behavior ... all during the campaign he was saying that Hillary is in the pockets of Wall Street because she gave a speech at Goldman Sachs, then after elected Trump turns around and puts 5 Goldman Sachs executives (or ex executives on his cabinet). Can you not see how his campaign rhetoric would come back on him after doing that?

People get treated differently based on how they behave and the things they say and their attitudes. That's just fact. But you just want to focus on the reaction to the actions instead of the actions themselves, like the actions don't matter at all.

Again ... I'm not excusing any of it and I wish they wouldn't do it ... but I'm not going to sit here and pretend l like I have no idea where it's coming from.
 

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Not apologizing for it or making excuses for it ... just pointing out false equivalencies. I didn't like it when the GOP did it, and I don't like it now that the Dems are doing it.

You keep ignoring Perry ... that one is even worse than Devos.

But more to my point about Trump's behavior ... all during the campaign he was saying that Hillary is in the pockets of Wall Street because she gave a speech at Goldman Sachs, then after elected Trump turns around and puts 5 Goldman Sachs executives (or ex executives on his cabinet). Can you not see how his campaign rhetoric would come back on him after doing that?

People get treated differently based on how they behave and the things they say and their attitudes. That's just fact. But you just want to focus on the reaction to the actions instead of the actions themselves, like the actions don't matter at all.

Again ... I'm not excusing any of it and I wish they wouldn't do it ... but I'm not going to sit here and pretend l like I have no idea where it's coming from.

1) What's so bad about Perry as compared to Devos. I can understand the arguments about her.
2) Sure I can see how his campaign rhetoric would come back on him, which is expected, but that rhetoric shouldn't play a role in whether or not someone like Sessions is qualified to be AG.
3) I don't care how they treat Trump, so I do focus on the actions the Dems have taken appointees, which is some cases has been downright childish. Not to mention "the sky is falling" hysteria. Regardless of how Trump acted during the campaign, his appointees and his office should be treated in the same manner Obama's was during his first couple months in regards to the appointment of cabinet members.
4) Civility is gone out of the Senate now, and people can try and blame Trump for it, but that blame would be highly misplaced.
 

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1) What's so bad about Perry as compared to Devos. I can understand the arguments about her.
2) Sure I can see how his campaign rhetoric would come back on him, which is expected, but that rhetoric shouldn't play a role in whether or not someone like Sessions is qualified to be AG.
3) I don't care how they treat Trump, so I do focus on the actions the Dems have taken appointees, which is some cases has been downright childish. Not to mention "the sky is falling" hysteria. Regardless of how Trump acted during the campaign, his appointees and his office should be treated in the same manner Obama's was during his first couple months in regards to the appointment of cabinet members.
4) Civility is gone out of the Senate now, and people can try and blame Trump for it, but that blame would be highly misplaced.

4) ... I agree completely ... the GOP took care of that over the last 6 years
1) Compare Perry's qualifications for the Department of Energy compared to Moniz. One has a PHD and taught at MIT ... the other has a degree in animal husbandry or something and had no idea the DOE was over our nukes.
 

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4) ... I agree completely ... the GOP took care of that over the last 6 years
1) Compare Perry's qualifications for the Department of Energy compared to Moniz. One has a PHD and taught at MIT ... the other has a degree in animal husbandry or something and had no idea the DOE was over our nukes.

Try last 16. Reid and company are as guilty as McConnell and company.
 
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1) What's so bad about Perry as compared to Devos. I can understand the arguments about her.

Rick Perry has a BS in Animal Science.

WASHINGTON — When President-elect Donald J. Trump offered Rick Perry the job of energy secretary five weeks ago, Mr. Perry gladly accepted, believing he was taking on a role as a global ambassador for the American oil and gas industry that he had long championed in his home state.

In the days after, Mr. Perry, the former Texas governor, discovered that he would be no such thing — that in fact, if confirmed by the Senate, he would become the steward of a vast national security complex he knew almost nothing about, caring for the most fearsome weapons on the planet, the United States’ nuclear arsenal.

Two-thirds of the agency’s annual $30 billion budget is devoted to maintaining, refurbishing and keeping safe the nation’s nuclear stockpile; thwarting nuclear proliferation; cleaning up and rebuilding an aging constellation of nuclear production facilities; and overseeing national laboratories that are considered the crown jewels of government science.

“If you asked him on that first day he said yes, he would have said, ‘I want to be an advocate for energy,’” said Michael McKenna, a Republican energy lobbyist who advised Mr. Perry’s 2016 presidential campaign and worked on the Trump transition’s Energy Department team in its early days. “If you asked him now, he’d say, ‘I’m serious about the challenges facing the nuclear complex.’ It’s been a learning curve.”

Mr. Perry, who once called for the elimination of the Energy Department, will begin the confirmation process Thursday with a hearing before the Senate Energy Committee. If approved by the Senate, he will take over from a secretary, Ernest J. Moniz, who was chairman of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology physics department and directed the linear accelerator at M.I.T.’s Laboratory for Nuclear Science. Before Mr. Moniz, the job belonged to Steven Chu, a physicist who won a Nobel Prize.

For Mr. Moniz, the future of nuclear science has been a lifelong obsession; he spent his early years working at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center. Mr. Perry studied animal husbandry and led cheers at Texas A&M University.

Mr. Moniz had such deep experience with nuclear weapons that in 2015, President Obama made him a co-negotiator, along with Secretary of State John Kerry, of the Iran nuclear deal.

https://vp.nyt.com/video/2016/12/13/70158_1_14perry-oops-moment_wg_480p.webm
 

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Rick Perry has a BS in Animal Science.

WASHINGTON — When President-elect Donald J. Trump offered Rick Perry the job of energy secretary five weeks ago, Mr. Perry gladly accepted, believing he was taking on a role as a global ambassador for the American oil and gas industry that he had long championed in his home state.

In the days after, Mr. Perry, the former Texas governor, discovered that he would be no such thing — that in fact, if confirmed by the Senate, he would become the steward of a vast national security complex he knew almost nothing about, caring for the most fearsome weapons on the planet, the United States’ nuclear arsenal.

Two-thirds of the agency’s annual $30 billion budget is devoted to maintaining, refurbishing and keeping safe the nation’s nuclear stockpile; thwarting nuclear proliferation; cleaning up and rebuilding an aging constellation of nuclear production facilities; and overseeing national laboratories that are considered the crown jewels of government science.

“If you asked him on that first day he said yes, he would have said, ‘I want to be an advocate for energy,’” said Michael McKenna, a Republican energy lobbyist who advised Mr. Perry’s 2016 presidential campaign and worked on the Trump transition’s Energy Department team in its early days. “If you asked him now, he’d say, ‘I’m serious about the challenges facing the nuclear complex.’ It’s been a learning curve.”

Mr. Perry, who once called for the elimination of the Energy Department, will begin the confirmation process Thursday with a hearing before the Senate Energy Committee. If approved by the Senate, he will take over from a secretary, Ernest J. Moniz, who was chairman of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology physics department and directed the linear accelerator at M.I.T.’s Laboratory for Nuclear Science. Before Mr. Moniz, the job belonged to Steven Chu, a physicist who won a Nobel Prize.

For Mr. Moniz, the future of nuclear science has been a lifelong obsession; he spent his early years working at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center. Mr. Perry studied animal husbandry and led cheers at Texas A&M University.

Mr. Moniz had such deep experience with nuclear weapons that in 2015, President Obama made him a co-negotiator, along with Secretary of State John Kerry, of the Iran nuclear deal.

https://vp.nyt.com/video/2016/12/13/70158_1_14perry-oops-moment_wg_480p.webm

So his degree is more important than his experience?
 
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Fake news outlet, please find a reasonable source.

It is a video....recording him making a blunder. Watch it. It isn't fake. There are dozens of sources of the very same video. It was on national television. [laughing]

That is the equivalent of saying we never walked on the moon.
 
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It is a video....recording him making a blunder. Watch it. It isn't fake. There are dozens of sources of the very same video. It was on national television. [laughing]

That is the equivalent of saying we never walked on the moon.
I think he was joking... tongue in cheek, so to speak.
 

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Try last 16. Reid and company are as guilty as McConnell and company.

Fine ... then the last 16 ... so your shock and astonishment that the Dems would somehow suddenly start doing this is unfounded ... by your own admission this has been going on for quite awhile. This session of congress didn't set the precedent
 

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Fine ... then the last 16 ... so your shock and astonishment that the Dems would somehow suddenly start doing this is unfounded ... by your own admission this has been going on for quite awhile. This session of congress didn't set the precedent

They have set a new precedent. The slowness at which appointees are being approved and the margins by which they are being approved by. The fact that a sitting Senator testified against another sitting Senator. They are setting a future stage for their own misery. Just like Reid opening the nuclear option can of worms, they can now only expect retaliation in the future, more of "We don't like the policies of your appointee, regardless of ability, therefore we will do all we can to block them."

What experience does he have?

I don't know, but it seems that the left wants to keep bring up his degree as proof he's wrong for the job.
 
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They have set a new precedent. The slowness at which appointees are being approved and the margins by which they are being approved by. The fact that a sitting Senator testified against another sitting Senator. They are setting a future stage for their own misery. Just like Reid opening the nuclear option can of worms, they can now only expect retaliation in the future, more of "We don't like the policies of your appointee, regardless of ability, therefore we will do all we can to block them."



I don't know, but it seems that the left wants to keep bring up his degree as proof he's wrong for the job.

Don't forget that the OGE kept reinforcing to Trump that their office needed ample time to review the paperwork submitted by the nominees and Trump's nominees expected all the paperwork to be reviewed in two or three days. [laughing]

A sitting Senator read a letter written about a nominee. Twist things all you want. It was and is relevant in consideration of the nominee.

You can bet your sweet *** Rule 19 will be brought up in the future.

Obama's cabinet wasn't full until his 99th day in office.
 

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A sitting Senator read a letter written about a nominee. Twist things all you want. It was and is relevant in consideration of the nominee.

That's not what she was doing. She wasn't stopped from reading the letter. That is a myth.... no a lie.... perpetrated by Warren and the left.

 
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That's not what she was doing. She wasn't stopped from reading the letter. That is a myth.... no a lie.... perpetrated by Warren and the left.



She was reading the letter. The video you posted admits it. McConnell used Rule 19, which is applicable for a sitting Senator but surely you can admit they were discussing a nominee, which is their job. They are supposed to debate nominees. Using Rule 19 is absolute ********.
 

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That's not what she was doing. She wasn't stopped from reading the letter. That is a myth.... no a lie.... perpetrated by Warren and the left.
My god you have gone MountainBill on this board. I remember a time you were reasonable. You are the wackiest of the whacked and live in such an alternative reality it is actually sad.
 

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Exactly. This is fake. And I think the smart ones on the right know what a joke DeVos is.
She has to be better than the "joke" Arne Duncan. On July 4, 2014, the National Education Association, the largest teacher's union in the United States, passed a resolution of "no confidence" in Duncan's leadership of the Department of Education and asked for his resignation.
 

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My god you have gone MountainBill on this board. I remember a time you were reasonable. You are the wackiest of the whacked and live in such an alternative reality it is actually sad.

I'm being very reasonable. Expecting civility out of the one body of government that is supposed to maintain it is not being unreasonable. The unreasonable are those that are crying the sky is falling with every step or tweet Trump makes.

This type of language... from a sitting Senator, about a sitting Senator... is NOT reasonable.

She was reading the letter. The video you posted admits it. McConnell used Rule 19, which is applicable for a sitting Senator but surely you can admit they were discussing a nominee, which is their job. They are supposed to debate nominees. Using Rule 19 is absolute ********.

She was not reading the letter. She had already read it. Watch the video again, start at the 1:40 mark. Context MATTERS.
 

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Expecting civility out of the one body of government that is supposed to maintain it is not being unreasonable.
In general, I agree. The problem you have is you have totally lost what was being debated: Jeff Sessions in his qualifications as it pertains to becoming the next AG. Warren wasnt impuning him as a Senator for the fun of it. The discussion was about King's letter that she was reading and discussing the perspective as his role in Alabama. The Senate and Warren has every right to discuss these matters in this manner and McConnell stepped over the line in silencing her.