I'd like to see Stansbury back if
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The other 27 people we offer the job to say no. dude, its time. Once in the last decade an SEC west team has made it past the sweet 16, believe it was LSU or Bama in like 03 so the "winningest coach" stuff is comical. We have been just hammered by the national media for the circus that is this season.
Unless he retires, he will be back.... SPS's hatred for Stands is a minority opinion among Bulldogs...
...His lack of institutional control is beginning to taint both the basketball program & the university.
Stansbury had a very long, respectable run @ a school that has little basketball tradition.
After MSU loses their 1st round NIT game, it's time for Stansbury to pack up wife & his little Biblical patriarchs & embark on the next phase of his life.
Stansbury had a very long, respectable run @ a school that has little basketball tradition.
After MSU loses their 1st round NIT game, it's time for Stansbury to pack up wife & his little Biblical patriarchs & embark on the next phase of his life.
1- He has beaten up on the lesser teams well enough to compile an overall good record.
2- He put together a 4 year run in the early 2000s that got everyone really excited about MSU basketball and the reality that MSU basketball could be a national player.
Add both together and you have a perfect scenario where expectations far exceed sustained ability.
2- He put together a 4 year run in the early 2000s that got everyone really excited about MSU basketball and the reality that MSU basketball could be a national player.
Add both together and you have a perfect scenario where expectations far exceed sustained ability.
when Richard Williams took over our program- it was probably the worst BCS level team in the country. We lost to 17'ing DELTA STATE. Boyd's teams were having to hold the ball and stall for minutes just to stay in games and lose 26-20.
After William's first couple of years of program building and we got to 1990- we became more of a normal program. Williams elevated the program out of ridiculousness.
Since 1990- 21 seasons- we have 9 NCAA's and 6 NIT's
Our last 2 basketball coaches have had pretty good results- and our program is nowhere near what it was in the 70's and 80's. The neglect and lack of importance that plagued us for those 20 years is over. We put money into the program and have expectations now.
I'll be shocked if our next coached doesnt have as good or even better results than Williams and The Recruiter.
After William's first couple of years of program building and we got to 1990- we became more of a normal program. Williams elevated the program out of ridiculousness.
Since 1990- 21 seasons- we have 9 NCAA's and 6 NIT's
Our last 2 basketball coaches have had pretty good results- and our program is nowhere near what it was in the 70's and 80's. The neglect and lack of importance that plagued us for those 20 years is over. We put money into the program and have expectations now.
I'll be shocked if our next coached doesnt have as good or even better results than Williams and The Recruiter.
But your own post shows that, for all the well-deserved praise Williams gets, even he only reached the NCAA tournament 1/3 of the time (and that's even after throwing out his first few seasons, which is fair to do since the program was in every bit as bad shape as you say it was back then). Even at that, just because we've had two successful coaches in a row is no guarantee that the next coach will be as successful. I bet Auburn would love to have someone who could match Sonny Smith's records these days.
Edit to add: I'm not being all doom and gloom here. I do think it's time to make a change and I do think we can hire a good coach who cando at least close to as well as Stans has. But to have an expectation that the new coach will definitely do better is a little unrealistic.
Edit to add: I'm not being all doom and gloom here. I do think it's time to make a change and I do think we can hire a good coach who cando at least close to as well as Stans has. But to have an expectation that the new coach will definitely do better is a little unrealistic.
Stans' short term success(4 years in the early 00s) created increased expectations. Since then, he has not come close to living up to those expectations.
So if another coach isnt able to come close to those expectations, he will be right where Stans is now. No better no worse.
Perhaps the fans shouldnt have taken that success to mean anything more than short term fun. I would argue that a great staff can work to overall build on short term success and develop it into sustained success.
So if another coach isnt able to come close to those expectations, he will be right where Stans is now. No better no worse.
Perhaps the fans shouldnt have taken that success to mean anything more than short term fun. I would argue that a great staff can work to overall build on short term success and develop it into sustained success.
I don't think there's any way we hire a coach who meets the standard Stans set in those 4 years over a long period of time (that would mean making the NCAAT every year). I think we'll be lucky to hire a coach who can make it 1/2 of the time (Stans's overall record). And we'll probably wind up with one who does about what Stans has the last 6 years (make it 1/3 of the time) or maybe worse. I think a lot of people may be in for a rude awakening that MSU isn't some basketball mecca that many seem to think it is. That's not to say that we can't have success here. Williams and Stans have proven we can. But it's far from guaranteed that our next coach will be able to match their success.
of course, that shouldn't happen since we have far greater facilities and money for basketball than any other SECW school. [/sarcasm]
Alabama hired Gottfried- who took them to their most successful season in school history. He started to slide for sure, but still had a winning record when he was fired.
Now they have hired Grant- who appears to be a good hire as well.
Mississippi has hired a coach that has them with 2 West titles in 4 years and is having winning seasons. He needs to take the next step- but they are an inferior program and dont have our expectations. They have no SEC Titles in their school's history.
Aubarn had probation. and hasnt recovered since. Barbee looks like a decent coach- but the jury is still out he needs time to get some players
LSU's coach won the SEC his 1st season. Has struggled with recruiting since- but has signed a McD's AA for 2012. No way you can make a final judgement on him for 2 more seasons.
No matter who we hire- they have to come in and make us more nationally appealing. They have to take some risks and play some big teams on the road. Pearl is doing that with Tenn and it is paying off. And most of all- when they get a few NCAA chances- they need to take advantage of one. That will help elevate the program as much as anything. We were unable to do it last time- but it's time to give ourselves another chance with a coach that can possibly do it. The Recruiter cant.
Now they have hired Grant- who appears to be a good hire as well.
Mississippi has hired a coach that has them with 2 West titles in 4 years and is having winning seasons. He needs to take the next step- but they are an inferior program and dont have our expectations. They have no SEC Titles in their school's history.
Aubarn had probation. and hasnt recovered since. Barbee looks like a decent coach- but the jury is still out he needs time to get some players
LSU's coach won the SEC his 1st season. Has struggled with recruiting since- but has signed a McD's AA for 2012. No way you can make a final judgement on him for 2 more seasons.
No matter who we hire- they have to come in and make us more nationally appealing. They have to take some risks and play some big teams on the road. Pearl is doing that with Tenn and it is paying off. And most of all- when they get a few NCAA chances- they need to take advantage of one. That will help elevate the program as much as anything. We were unable to do it last time- but it's time to give ourselves another chance with a coach that can possibly do it. The Recruiter cant.
When i say he raised expectations from that 4 year run, i am not suggesting the next coach would have to make the NCAA Tournament every friggin year since Stans made it in each of those 4.
That would be absurd. 4 of 6 though?...not unreasonable. Not at all unreasonable.
Making it past the first weekend...ever? Not at all unreasonable.
Stans, by my count, has had 1 year where he achieved equal to his talent when the talent was good...'03-'04. You could argue the year before too, sure. So 2 years out of all these have been years where the talent has actually accomplished what it was capable of.
Backing your way into an NCAA Tournament is hardly impressive. Its great to win the conference tourney, but ****, UGA did it a few years ago(against us in what was another year where we didnt achieve what our talent level should have gotten us).
That would be absurd. 4 of 6 though?...not unreasonable. Not at all unreasonable.
Making it past the first weekend...ever? Not at all unreasonable.
Stans, by my count, has had 1 year where he achieved equal to his talent when the talent was good...'03-'04. You could argue the year before too, sure. So 2 years out of all these have been years where the talent has actually accomplished what it was capable of.
Backing your way into an NCAA Tournament is hardly impressive. Its great to win the conference tourney, but ****, UGA did it a few years ago(against us in what was another year where we didnt achieve what our talent level should have gotten us).