WTF is going on there? Somebody killed those kids with a damn Rambo knife. What in the world could have been going on?
Idaho University killings......
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Mental health issues are not being addressed. After all the recommendations by politicians for sociologists and phychologist to replace police they have done nothing other than throw out sound bites. It will only get worse as time moves on.
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These horrible events have never not happened throughout recorded and pre-history but they've been multiplying these days however due to today's culture geared towards pacification and leniency instead of the former discipline model now ridiculed by many who define the old ways as outdated. We are taught at a young age these days in school that everybody owes you the same affections your mother gives and if not you have the right to rebel against the crime of the cruel world. The costs and penalties of illegal, anti-social behaviour no longer come with a price as society is now blamed instead of the perp.
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Fortunately, most everything works on cycles. Teeter too far one way, it gets reeled back. Unfortunately, it ends up moving too far the other and the sweet spots are short lived. Such is life.
Serious question: how does one adequately/sufficiently "address" the mental issues of a person that will stab to death four people?
Many times, these people will not accept help, they are perfectly ok with being crazy - and it is hard to have someone committed for any length of time. At one time society policed itself to a certain extent, no longer. Now days people don't get involved in fear of being branded, racist, homophobic, misogynistic, etc, so crazy people go about their daily lives unchallenged and emboldened. Homeless (many with mental/drug issues) folks in some bigger cities are all too comfortable leaving a dump on a public sidewalk in broad daylight. City officials and Police doing nothing to discourage that behavior.
So would you say we are in a "good" cycle these days? Are we in a "Sweet Spot" now or if not, when was the last one we had?
Well, if this was somebody they knew, there's a decent chance that the murderer was a schizophrenic college student. Lots of people with schizophrenia don't find out until college. I think some of those people can respond well to medication.
IF it was more random and you're talking about a crazy person from the streets, institutionalization is probably the only thing you can do. Some good and bad associated with that.
The mental health system is in disarray. I think a contributing factor is our own misuse of insane asylums for years. There's a reason that mental health carries a stigma and that it is hard to commit people. Fathers could have daughters committed for life if they were too strong willed for example. Long story short, sons paying for the sins of fathers. The pendulum has swung.
Check out the "reasons for admission into the Trans-Allegheny Lunatic Asylum in West Virginia from 1864 to 1889 included laziness, egotism, disappointed love, female disease, mental excitement, cold, snuff, greediness, imaginary female trouble, "gathering in the head," exposure and quackery, jealousy, religion, asthma, masturbation, and bad habits. Spouses used lunacy laws to rid themselves of their partners and in abducting their children."
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"Masturbation for 30 years" is also on the list. The guy that masturbated for only 29 years skated.........
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Sure glad I didn't live in West Virginia back then.
I thought 30 minutes was good, but damn, 30 years? That's some serious staying power.
All too often though we use bad past practices to promote laws & ideas in 2022 on an emotional rather than logical foundation.
I was responding to your post claiming how fortunate we are having swings from one side to the other. So you say we're in the schitter now. Fine. So when was the last "Sweet Spot" we were in you describe? Here is your post : "Fortunately, most everything works on cycles. Teeter too far one way, it gets reeled back. Unfortunately, it ends up moving too far the other and the sweet spots are short lived. Such is life."
I'm not sure what you mean. My implication is not that we are consciously, and objectively choosing to let the past keep better mental health solutions at bay. I'm saying that the past has a ripple effect far beyond what you might logically expect and we are still paying the price for the mental health cycle that we are on.
I never shy away from improvement if it is indeed just that but I don't agree with bringing things up that no longer reflect the cultural evolution that's taken place in the U.S. for the last 50 years or so in order to promote law & opinion in 2022.
I believe the appropriated word here is "exaggerated". Just sayin . . . . . .
Jeez can a guy be figurative around here? I don't know when the sweet spot was on mental health or when we will get there again. I don't have the road map for anyone to nit. Nobody's definition of ideal or sweet spot is going to line up anyhow.
This is all relative as we all have different opinions and experiences, but the point is we are up a creek now (my reference point) and maybe it gets worse before it gets better (to me), but it'll get better again. After it gets better, maybe it becomes ideal, but then it'll get worse after that. Repeat. Put yourself anywhere on that timeline and biased on whatever your definition of ideal is and that pattern is going to play out.
Societies seem to be a constant state of change and course corrections. Maybe that's part of what keeps our existence interesting? Would be kind of lame if nothing ever changed for good or bad.
I'd vote / Pray "Lame" for 100% Good For All Times but unfortunately that's not my individual call to make.
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That's what I want to know. It's fascinating to me how some people think it's just as easy as "addressing mental health issues." Most sociopaths and the like will say whatever they have to say to a physician or counselor in order to get cleared with a clean mental bill of health anyway. It goes a lot deeper than just throwing more cash at mental health....MUCH deeper. For one, we have become a selfish, entitled, hedonistic, and yes, Godless human race. I don't see those behaviors getting better, and a lot of the reason why is because of the way they are pushed on society these days via the media; Hollywood, etc.
Also, Is it nature or nurture? Can a sociopath even be fixed by mental health and/or a more nurturing society? Bottom line is it's a very complicated issue that's gonna be solved by everyone starting to BE (not act) genuinely moral, compassionate human beings....and that's a tall d@mn order that I just can't see coming to fruition.
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Not being ticky tack, but as a matter of fact, it’s University of Idaho. I happen to be a Vandal grad. Lots of commonalities between Moscow and Starkville. This is, like it would and has been here and any other small town, an absolute earthquake in this community. Just awful.
I didn’t know Pullman and Moscow were so close. Even share an airport. That’s odd, not only two university towns, but across state lines.
I think a significant portion of the "mentally ill" are as ill as they are because they are given the option to be. I know ADHD is minor compared to some challenges but I dealt with it in a big way as a child. I knew acting out absolutely would not be tolerated so I found a way to cope without disturbing/disrupting others. If I had been allowed to act out, told it wasn't my fault/not corrected, given excuses, I think I would have turned out with some real issues. I am glad I wasn't given the opportunity to have those excuses.
Don't get me wrong. There are some folks that have some serious issues that need to be dealt with through therapy and/or medicines. If the majority of kids that have minor challenges were that they are normal and expected to be normal, they would be fine. It would also allow the folks that really have issues to be recognized and treated earlier and better. That's just my 2 cents and I'm sure it will make a few folks mad but they are welcome to their opinion also.
You kill that 17er and rid the earth of him.
What? Look at the most prolific serial killers in US history? They are mostly pre 1990 and nearly all of them were a result of some disfunctional home life, typically stemming from a lack of affection from their mother. This isn’t some new thing. It’s been happening Since Lizzie Borden.
So young boys / young men doing terrible things has remained stable the last 25 years?
I don’t have the statistics, but I can think of a **** ton of violence perpetrated by young men/boys in the 50’s and 60’s. God knows how much went unaccounted.
So to summarize: poor parenting is to blame for most of this country’s problems. I agree.
It wasn't just parenting. Schools still had expectations for behavior and disciplined too.
I’d like to hypothesize that bad behavior occurs from the lack of paternal love, crazy comes the lack of maternal.
Bill Burr has a bit on why the state mental hospitals went away, aside from just the budget cuts.