Idea being discussed we should be most scared of...

[Bulldog Bruce]

I have heard many discussions about adding RELEGATION to college football. It is being discussed at the highest levels of the sport.

This is such a non starter for a sport that has a mandatory 5 year window on its participants. This is not Welcome to Wrexham where you can keep your good players as you get better. The year like 2014 would never happen by getting lucky on some 3 star player because you would have already been in the lower division. We have got to fight this with all our hearts.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Who at the highest levels is discussing this?

 

[Dawgzilla2]

So many other things have to happen for that to even be a possibility that I refuse to give it much thought.

Ask me again next week.

 

[patdog]

This will never happen. And I seriously doubt it’s even being discussed by anyone who matters.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

I listened to an interview with Greg Sanky where it was discussed and it was NOT immediately shut down. Dan Patrick has mentioned it in many interviews with people in the NCAA sports industry and I have yet heard a person say it is an idiotic idea. There are definitely people pushing for a 60 team division 1 with the others in a lower division with relegation and promotion as part of it.

A college football playoff was just a thought once.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

Here is AI answer. It is being considered:

relegation in college football

Relegation in college football, inspired by European soccer, involves promoting and demoting teams between tiers based on performance. Recent discussions focus on creating systems like a Mountain West-Pac-12 alliance, where top teams move up and bottom teams move down annually[1][3][5]. Proposals include three-tiered alliances with financial incentives tied to tier placement[5]. Challenges include budget instability, NCAA rule changes, and impacts on non-football sports[3][5]. Though not yet implemented, relegation could reshape college football competitiveness and conference dynamics[1][3][5].

Citations:
[1] What would relegation in college football look like - ESPN https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38491515/what-relegation-college-football-look-like
[2] College Football 25 but with Relegation (The Relegation League 2.0)
[3] Promotion/relegation in college football? Game-changing idea could ... https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football-pac-12-mountain-west-promotion-relegation-234810955.html
[4] Promotion/Relegation Setup : r/NCAAFBseries - Reddit
[5] The First Official Proposal for Relegation in College Football https://frontofficesports.com/first-proposal-for-relegation-in-college-football/
[6] Inside the college football 'Super League,' one powerful group's idea ... https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5383639/2024/04/03/college-football-super-league-cst-realignment/

 

[8dog]

I listened to an interview with Greg Sanky where it was discussed and it was NOT immediately shut down. Dan Patrick has mentioned it in many interviews with people in the NCAA sports industry and I have yet heard a person say it is an idiotic idea. There are definitely people pushing for a 60 team division 1 with the others in a lower division with relegation and promotion as part of it.

A college football playoff was just a thought once.

A 60 team group will happen. Thats not going to involve relegation. Thats going to allow schools to make their own rules and not be influenced by smaller leagues.

 

[8dog]

Here is AI answer. It is being considered:

relegation in college football

Relegation in college football, inspired by European soccer, involves promoting and demoting teams between tiers based on performance. Recent discussions focus on creating systems like a Mountain West-Pac-12 alliance, where top teams move up and bottom teams move down annually[1][3][5]. Proposals include three-tiered alliances with financial incentives tied to tier placement[5]. Challenges include budget instability, NCAA rule changes, and impacts on non-football sports[3][5]. Though not yet implemented, relegation could reshape college football competitiveness and conference dynamics[1][3][5].

Citations:
[1] What would relegation in college football look like - ESPN https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38491515/what-relegation-college-football-look-like
[2] College Football 25 but with Relegation (The Relegation League 2.0)
[3] Promotion/relegation in college football? Game-changing idea could ... https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football-pac-12-mountain-west-promotion-relegation-234810955.html
[4] Promotion/Relegation Setup : r/NCAAFBseries - Reddit
[5] The First Official Proposal for Relegation in College Football https://frontofficesports.com/first-proposal-for-relegation-in-college-football/
[6] Inside the college football 'Super League,' one powerful group's idea ... https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5383639/2024/04/03/college-football-super-league-cst-realignment/

One is a social media influencers opinion. The other is a bunch of private investment groups that pitched something very well known and going nowhere. What they are pitching is huge and wouldn’t impact us negatively. It can also be done without their help.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Such a dumb idea. Not pro sports, doesn’t have the constraints of pro sports, and the courts will see to it that it never does. And they’ll never have a union because the players aren’t there long enough.


They should just allow whoever wants to compete in FBS, and meets whatever minimum rules, to compete in FBS. You don’t want to, drop down.

The only chance this super league ever has of happening is if all these commissioners and presidents can agree on money, and THAT ain’t happening. They can’t even agree on the playoff.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I have heard many discussions about adding RELEGATION to college football. It is being discussed at the highest levels of the sport.

This is such a non starter for a sport that has a mandatory 5 year window on its participants. This is not Welcome to Wrexham where you can keep your good players as you get better. The year like 2014 would never happen by getting lucky on some 3 star player because you would have already been in the lower division. We have got to fight this with all our hearts.

If they handled relegation with a trailing 5 year average it might be interesting

 

[Xenomorph]

Who at the highest levels is discussing this?

 

[POTUS]

 

[Maroon13]

In addition to what others have already wrote....

The way schools obtain talent..... doesn't matter which fringe school is regulated or promoted. Those fringe schools will always get beat soundly in the playoffs.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

And they’ll never have a union because the players aren’t there long enough.

Dartmouth basketball says, "Hello".

There are some roadblocks to college players' unionizing, but I don't think length of career is one of them. The average NFL career is 3.5 years, NBA is 4.5, and MLB is 5.6.

The bigger issue is recognizing the players as employees. Even though the NLRB has declared the Dartmouth basketball team employees and recognized their union, Dartmouth openly refuses to negotiatewith them stating the NLRB is wrong, and the players are NOT employees. Not sure when the courts will weigh in.

OTOH, paying the players revenue sharing seems to be a step closer to making them employees. I guess ttht would make public university athletes state employees? What about states that don't allow public employees to unionize?

 

[Pilgrimdawg]

College football is dead. Period. End of discussion.

 

[olblue]

College football is dead. Period. End of discussion.

For something so dead, it seems to be more popular than ever.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

For something so dead, it seems to be more popular than ever.

The ticket sales say otherwise across the country. It may be popular to CBS & Disney & Fox but the missing butt indentions in the seats say otherwise as well.

 

[8dog]

was

The ticket sales say otherwise across the country. It may be popular to CBS & Disney & Fox but the missing butt indentions in the seats say otherwise as well.

because they are the people watching on TV. Gameday had its best year ever. We can all hate the system and also admit the on field product is awesome and wildly popular right now.

But it’s also State that’s mostly lagging in attendance. Other schools do just fine

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Dartmouth basketball says, "Hello".

There are some roadblocks to college players' unionizing, but I don't think length of career is one of them. The average NFL career is 3.5 years, NBA is 4.5, and MLB is 5.6.

The bigger issue is recognizing the players as employees. Even though the NLRB has declared the Dartmouth basketball team employees and recognized their union, Dartmouth openly refuses to negotiatewith them stating the NLRB is wrong, and the players are NOT employees. Not sure when the courts will weigh in.

OTOH, paying the players revenue sharing seems to be a step closer to making them employees. I guess ttht would make public university athletes state employees? What about states that don't allow public employees to unionize?

Folks keep saying this, but it never happens. They aren’t employees. Rev share is nothing but a bigger stipend.

 

[Pilgrimdawg]

For something so dead, it seems to be more popular than ever.

Well it’s dead to me. Been attending games every year since 1961. We are not buying any tickets this year for the first time in 63 years. It has nothing to do with last year’s team and everything to do with the current NIL / portal system.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Folks keep saying this, but it never happens. They aren’t employees. Rev share is nothing but a bigger stipend.

I realize the landscape is changing rapidly, but the idea of recognizing athletes as employees hasn't even had time to percolate.

Revenue sharing hasnt even started, but it won't be a stipend for fear of invoking Title IX. It isn't a salary, but it can't be financial aid.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Well it’s dead to me. Been attending games every year since 1961. We are not buying any tickets this year for the first time in 63 years. It has nothing to do with last year’s team and everything to do with the current NIL / portal system.

I’ve heard you say many times that you are encouraging kids and grandkids to move away from MS. How much of your frustration is due to the idea that MSU simply can’t compete because MS doesn’t have a future? I’m not judging, I completely understand it, though I don’t think the future is quite as dire as you do.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I realize the landscape is changing rapidly, but the idea of recognizing athletes as employees hasn't even had time to percolate.

Revenue sharing hasnt even started, but it won't be a stipend for fear of invoking Title IX. It isn't a salary, but it can't be financial aid.

You make great points. Who knows the truth?

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

For something so dead, it seems to be more popular than ever.

Exactly, so many people want CFB to be dead or dying when in reality it's growing and getting better. Great games coming on Wednesday.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Who at the highest levels is discussing this?

There’s an entity higher than SPS?

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

The ticket sales say otherwise across the country. It may be popular to CBS & Disney & Fox but the missing butt indentions in the seats say otherwise as well.

The money comes from TV. Just like always win and you have good attendance (like OM), lose and attendance goes down (like State).

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Well it’s dead to me. Been attending games every year since 1961. We are not buying any tickets this year for the first time in 63 years. It has nothing to do with last year’s team and everything to do with the current NIL / portal system.

You're in your 80s? You probably need to retire from attending games, I don't blame you one bit.

 

[Mr. Cook]

The money comes from TV. Just like always win and you have good attendance (like OM), lose and attendance goes down (like State).

What MSU hasn’t learned:

Winning is entertaining. Losing, not so much.

 

[Dawg84]

You're in your 80s? You probably need to retire from attending games, I don't blame you one bit.

I don’t necessarily agree with this, but not arguing the point. My dad attended games with me into his eighties, and loved it every time. He finally became unable due to health, and now, in his nineties, lies in a hospital bed with games playing, yet he barely knows he’s in the world. I encourage you to continue going and supporting until you can’t.

 

[mstateglfr]

Folks keep saying this, but it never happens. They aren’t employees. Rev share is nothing but a bigger stipend.

What timeframe see you referring to with 'keep saying this' and 'but it never happens'?

The last 6 years have been a constant state of change for D1 sports- conference alignment, ncaa lawsuits, nil, transfer waivers, nil again, extended eligibility, collective bargaining being approved by a judge, schools now being able to directly pay athletes, and a juco player not having to count juco years against eligibility.

Just because something hasn't happened yet, largely due to all the other chaos and change happening first, doesn't mean it wont happen.
Or hey- maybe it doesn't happen and that can be chalked up to all this just being inconsistent and created haphazardly thru lawsuits instead of thru a complete plan implemented with intention.



If schools pay students, the students are contract employees or direct employees.
That's true if the student works in the library, cafeteria, ticket booth, or is the QB.
I guess the athletes could ultimately be employees of the conference, and each school pays the employees thru a contract with the conference? That just shifts some legal responsibility though.

When athletes are paid by schools, they need to be on special contract where they don't vest in state retirement or other similar things to that.
...just my opinion.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

This post got off topic pretty quickly. The topic is relegation and it is being discussed and officially proposed.

Right now, even though our odds are very low, we are at the table to get into the playoff and compete for a championship if somehow we put together some sleeper roster that gels. After these past two years we would be relegated and that chance goes away probably forever.

You know I never agree with golfer, but he is right about all the things that were always "that will never happen in college football" are happening right now.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Right now, even though our odds are very low zero.

FIFY

 

[Boosh]

Here is AI answer. It is being considered:

relegation in college football

Relegation in college football, inspired by European soccer, involves promoting and demoting teams between tiers based on performance. Recent discussions focus on creating systems like a Mountain West-Pac-12 alliance, where top teams move up and bottom teams move down annually[1][3][5]. Proposals include three-tiered alliances with financial incentives tied to tier placement[5]. Challenges include budget instability, NCAA rule changes, and impacts on non-football sports[3][5]. Though not yet implemented, relegation could reshape college football competitiveness and conference dynamics[1][3][5].

Citations:
[1] What would relegation in college football look like - ESPN https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38491515/what-relegation-college-football-look-like
[2] College Football 25 but with Relegation (The Relegation League 2.0)
[3] Promotion/relegation in college football? Game-changing idea could ... https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football-pac-12-mountain-west-promotion-relegation-234810955.html
[4] Promotion/Relegation Setup : r/NCAAFBseries - Reddit
[5] The First Official Proposal for Relegation in College Football https://frontofficesports.com/first-proposal-for-relegation-in-college-football/
[6] Inside the college football 'Super League,' one powerful group's idea ... https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5383639/2024/04/03/college-football-super-league-cst-realignment/

This is the way.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

This post got off topic pretty quickly. The topic is relegation and it is being discussed and officially proposed.

Right now, even though our odds are very low, we are at the table to get into the playoff and compete for a championship if somehow we put together some sleeper roster that gels. After these past two years we would be relegated and that chance goes away probably forever.

You know I never agree with golfer, but he is right about all the things that were always "that will never happen in college football" are happening right now.

Yeah, but it's so popular right now nothing could happen to the smaller schools... right?