If Barker is our QB against UL...
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It was hard to tell a lot with Barker not throwing many deep, but I tend to agree with a lot of this. Don't know about the release part, but it may just seem that way due to better decisions. He certainly didn't do anything imo to return to Towles at this point. Barker made several questionable passes - the early down & out that was 3 yards off target towards the sideline (Maybe to avoid risking an INT.), the ball 5 yards over the Charlotte bench when the WR had a 5 yard gap on the DB, the throw into the WR screen cluster that easily could have been an INT, & the 4th & goal from the 10 to Horton in the flat. The last was never going anywhere & Barker should know to keep looking in EZ to the end as taking a sack hurts nothing. But would Towles have done better? Unlikely.
We won't beat UofL next week no matter who the QB is. I don't care who starts and plays, I just want to see us win. But it's obvious that most fans will give Barker a pass if he plays and plays poorly and costs us the game. If Towles plays and plays ok or even good and we lose, people will blame him. Both QBs have flaws and both will make mistakes. Until the roster is solid across the board, QB changes aren't going to change much.
Looking at the strips on the tops of the goal posts - limp most of the time, I didn't think wind was much of a factor ex maybe high kicks.
Again, mentioning a transfer for Barker doesn't make sense. Even if PT wins the starting job next year, that is his senior year. Barker would be given the keys the following year regardless. The same time frame as transferring.
I don't think their is any doubt that Barker will struggle against UofL. He isn't ready. The QB situation has been handled poorly in my opinion. I think Towles would give us the best chance to win Saturday, but I don't see how you can just throw him back in after benching him for the previous game. It is what it is. Hopefully Drew will surprise me. I just want a win.
One thing I noticed last night is that UK three over the middle quite a few times, and to the TE. That's been missing from the Arsenal because the coaches didn't trust Towles to be accurate.
It also looked like Barker was trying to throw it through the receiver, maybe because of the weather, or maybe he was amped. He'll get his touch and make those throws.
He has much better command of the field and pocket presence than Towles.
It also looked like Barker was trying to throw it through the receiver, maybe because of the weather, or maybe he was amped. He'll get his touch and make those throws.
He has much better command of the field and pocket presence than Towles.
Barker did what he was supposed to do...manage the game. Don't ask him to win it, just don't let him lose it. By and large he threw well. He threw well enough to be encouraged, missed badly enough to be concerned. He'll get better as he gets more reps.
We most certainly DO have a shot against UL!! IMO, it all hinges on our defense, if they can play well we win.
Barker should start.
Barker should start.
Ummm... Qb intelligence means everything. Patrick rarely even knows where he is in the pocket. He cannot survey they field properly. They hand pick receivers before the snap because of this. He's also not a quick decision maker of anywhere near a natural leader.
Yes, all that matters as much as coaching intelligence.
It's the same idiots who wanted towels to continue to start. It's not those of us who have been screaming for barker since week 3
I'm not saying the argument about QB's, I'm simply saying that our fan base always wants to change everything all the time. That's the answer for Many. Look at all the negative posts about Barker after a win.
Well put OP
I saw some things he did better than PT.
And I saw some things not.
Got to find a QB that will move the ball next week.
What in saying is it's not the ones who wanted barker from the start. It's the towels fanboys who can't give it up.
The offensive line did a little better with their run blocking, and Barker played OK in his first start. However its hard to say if the line did better because Barker was the QB, maybe because they are just now maturing, or was it the fact we were playing a very weak team.
What ever the reason, there were some pretty big holes opened for the running backs. Looking at the passing game, it seems Barker was pressured several times and had to hurry his throws. Dawson called nearly all running plays the second half and was successful.
Even though the O line looked better, its going to be a lot tougher against Louisville.
Several posters has brought up the fact that Towles started struggling a bit with the Eastern game. If you look at the schedule you will find that we was entering the toughest part of our schedule and it was easy to see that we are still a ways from getting enough elite players to compete. I don't think Towles has regressed any, we just don't have the Oline that gives any QB time to throw. Even Charlette's D line gave us problems on pass blocking.
I was glad to see Barker get some snaps, but he is not ready for a SEC schedule in my opinion. He needs a lot more experience to be a factor.
If everyone is on the same page and we can hold down our mistakes like we did last night, we have a good chance of beating the Cards. jmho
What ever the reason, there were some pretty big holes opened for the running backs. Looking at the passing game, it seems Barker was pressured several times and had to hurry his throws. Dawson called nearly all running plays the second half and was successful.
Even though the O line looked better, its going to be a lot tougher against Louisville.
Several posters has brought up the fact that Towles started struggling a bit with the Eastern game. If you look at the schedule you will find that we was entering the toughest part of our schedule and it was easy to see that we are still a ways from getting enough elite players to compete. I don't think Towles has regressed any, we just don't have the Oline that gives any QB time to throw. Even Charlette's D line gave us problems on pass blocking.
I was glad to see Barker get some snaps, but he is not ready for a SEC schedule in my opinion. He needs a lot more experience to be a factor.
If everyone is on the same page and we can hold down our mistakes like we did last night, we have a good chance of beating the Cards. jmho
I will have to go back and watch running plays under both QBs, but It seemed like Barker handed off the ball to our RB's quicker and more efficiently. Now, this may not sound like much (and I know Charlotte's Defense had a lot to do with this), but a fraction of a second quicker can make all the difference in the world for RB hitting the holes before they are closed up.
Oh, and we may lose next week but damn people, we're not playing Alabama and coach Saban. We're playing another sucky 6 and 5 team, coached by a neck brace wearing douche nozzle with no real quality wins. And we're playing them at HOME! Some of you are giving them far far to much credit. :chairshot:
Oh, and we may lose next week but damn people, we're not playing Alabama and coach Saban. We're playing another sucky 6 and 5 team, coached by a neck brace wearing douche nozzle with no real quality wins. And we're playing them at HOME! Some of you are giving them far far to much credit. :chairshot:
Drew right now is a serviceable QB. Will a serviceable QB get you a win against Louisville? This is the bottom line and the real question?
Stoops always says we have to play better around the QB.
Serviceable QB's need good special teams play.
Serviceable QB's need a solid run game.
Serviceable QB's need a very good defensive effort.
Serviceable QB's need above and beyond great play calling.
Whether it's fair or not the reality is that Drew will have to play near perfectly next week for us to win this game.
Stoops always says we have to play better around the QB.
Serviceable QB's need good special teams play.
Serviceable QB's need a solid run game.
Serviceable QB's need a very good defensive effort.
Serviceable QB's need above and beyond great play calling.
Whether it's fair or not the reality is that Drew will have to play near perfectly next week for us to win this game.
Louisville and its coach seem to play with much more of a chip on their shoulder than we do. That should be a little concerning.
Good grief , snap out of it . Not one time did Tampon Jon post in the troll thread he started , 258 posts and not a single like . You all fell for it , Louisville fan won this one .
During the regular season, I agree. (funny how these sec teams will take the fight out of you) But we went into the Louisville game last year with some attitude ourselves. Sure we lost by 4 points, but we were landing some haymakers and hitting with nasty intentions. That game could have went either way, and I don't expect this game to be any different. We will be plenty motivated. We may not win, because it won't be for lack of effort.
I agree the effort will be there, but the mechanical engineering major would come out and give his best effort and still not be successful. At what point do we say effort alone is not enough anymore? If I'm paying a guy millions of dollars to coach, the old "We're playing with great effort", line is only going to last so long.
Well, we scored 59 last year first game of the season. How's that for CHIRPING?
Either way...this doesn't really make any sense to use points scored as a standard of measure.
Barker is the guy moving forward (he should be at this point) - no need to have these Towles v Barker arguments anymore.
Ha, I am a die hard UK fan down here in Florida with my UK flag proudly hanging out front of my house. I want to beat UL and Petrino as much as anyone. Nothing would make me happier than Barker leading the team to victory and then continue to take our team to new heights next year but it's my opinion that he will struggle mightily next week. As others have suggested, the handling of the QB situation or rather the grooming of Barker has been lackluster. This has nothing to do with which QB has the most potential. I want to win next week regardless of which QB gets it done.
At least some of us recognized Towles alarming inability to go through progressions as early as the Florida game. As the season continued, this problem worsened.
I dont think theres anything about the speed with which the handoffs come. But Drew is a noticeably better ballhandler, which means hes much better at selling certain plays. Plus, showing the defense they cant just crowd the line of scrimmage without the threat of someone making a quick decision and getting rid of the ball. Finally by keeping the chains moving, the wore the opposing defense down. Holes get bigger, tacklers get weaker, runs get longer.
How is it that during the year UL was considered horrible by most on here, and now they are being talked about like they are unbeatable?
Do you realize his career INT Vs TD's has a difference of 1? State all the facts please, just not the 2 you mentioned.
Fair or not, going back to Towles sends the completely wrong message to the team. I think it's pretty clear who the team wants back there. Barker starts and hopefully learns under fire. I see no reason why he won't.
Simple. During the year, UL has been horrible, and now they are and should be a small favorite because they're playing us. They're not unbeatable, but two mediocre teams are gonna be playing next week. The one which has shown a greater ability for ineptness isn't striking a ton of confidence. I truly believe UK's best is 7-10 points better than L'villes best. I truly believe L'villes more likely to play at their best than UK is.
Hoping we win, betting we cover, praying we stay out of our own way.
Dug until you found something significantly negative huh? If you want to do that, Barker has twice as many picks as TD's. Feel better? My point is that PT isn't a horrible QB, let alone the ignorant hyperbole used.
PT may not be the worst ever but 3 TDs and 10 INT's in SEC play doesn't help.
So many are enamored by passing yards as if you get points for it. It's not fantasy football.
I'm not enamored with anyone. Have you read the whole thread? I was responding to the ridiculous post by Tyblue22. My simpke point was and is, PT is clearly not the west starting QB in UK history. Do you want to argue that he is the worst? I have a terrible feeling, after watching DB against Charlotte, that we are going to see a real mess next week. It won't be DB's fault either. A QB simply can't perform well when he is running for his life. I hope I'm wrong.
Agree. All season long, special teams have been deficient. Defense has been inconsistent. Play calling is not sufficient to put points on the board against reasonable competition. We'll have to play one of , it not our best games of the season to win....not to mention the "Petrino effect". He is highly motivated to make Ky look bad...a perfect fit for ul.
Gotta go with Drew but you have to live with the chance he could throw some pics only his second live game and a ball hawking secondary. You know Grantham is coming after him to rattle him and make him throw it quick and their corners will be cheating up to take advantage of the outs and slants.
I'm just praying Stoops and Dawson know this and are game planning around it. Got to get a straight ahead run game going and throw off the play action to take advantage of their over play and take shots deep. That's where they are vulnerable anyway. I'd love to see us go under center more to set this up and power run better as well. If we sit back and play too much sideways they'll eat us up. Gotta play quick, straight ahead and leaning forward. That will help our line as well as they are much better coming off the ball than back peddling.
I'm just praying Stoops and Dawson know this and are game planning around it. Got to get a straight ahead run game going and throw off the play action to take advantage of their over play and take shots deep. That's where they are vulnerable anyway. I'd love to see us go under center more to set this up and power run better as well. If we sit back and play too much sideways they'll eat us up. Gotta play quick, straight ahead and leaning forward. That will help our line as well as they are much better coming off the ball than back peddling.
A QB may not be able to perform when running for their life. But I'll take the one that makes less mistakes in that situation.
Why would I say he is the worst in UK history, when we all know he isn't. But he's not Coach, Woodson or even Lorenzen, level of play as some have eluded to before.
Really you didn't have a terrible feeling after that EKU game?
Yep, because of the entire team. I've never compared PT to any of those guys. Interesting though, with another 500 yards, those are the 3 PT would be behind. You don't know yet which one will make the fewer mistakes in that situation. I hope it's DB since he will be playing.
Against Vandy didn't Barker go for 5-8 for 67 yards, 1 TD & 1 INT vs Towles 10-26 for 60 yards, 0 TD & 1 INT?