If Dana goes 1-3

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With a loss to a bad Arizona State team in the bowl. A loss to Missouri with a new coach. A win against Youngstown State and a loss to BYU with a new coach. Does Dana survive the entire 2016 season or do Lyons and Gee make a change and try to get a head start on a new coach? That would be a boiling hot chair at that point.
 
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The bowl game is irrelevant to the issue. A 1-2 start would be difficult to overcome but could be done. No coach should be fired in September - or October.
 

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Should Dana be fired if he loses the first 5 games in a row in season 2018? That's the question that deserves an answer!
 

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Apart from getting blown out in those games, no changes will be forthcoming. Unless the thing is just totally imploding, Dana will at least be given 8 games to show his mettle. I think he needed to be fired after the KSU debacle, but once Lyons made the decision to keep him, it's a waste of a decision if we don't give him until the end of October to show improvement over this year.

I'll even add this, as one of Dana's biggest critics, if he leads the team to eight regular season wins next year, I'll be 100% in his corner. I'd admit I was wrong about his ability to turn the program around. I'd even go so far as to say if he's playing and seeing major improvement in one of our young QBs, I'd be okay with giving another year with 7 wins. The thing that ticked me off about this year is a solid backfield, best defense we've had in 6 years, 15 returning starters and the best we could do is 7-5. It was the waste of a solid team.
 

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With a loss to a bad Arizona State team in the bowl. A loss to Missouri with a new coach. A win against Youngstown State and a loss to BYU with a new coach. Does Dana survive the entire 2016 season or do Lyons and Gee make a change and try to get a head start on a new coach? That would be a boiling hot chair at that point.


What if... you got kicked in the knees, punched in the face and kicked again in the ball sack... how would you feel... and how would your friends and family feel? We are supposed to be a "family" here and I, for one, would be supportive of you. Why don't you try to return the favor to the WVU family?
 

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You don't make a decision to bring back a coach for a make-or-break season, then turn around and fire the guy for a 1-2 start. If the rope were that short, Lyons simply would've replaced him now. Since he didn't, Holgorsen will get all of 2016 to see what he can do...unless we're somehow sitting there at like 2-7 or something with a couple games remaining.
 
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You don't make a decision to bring back a coach for a make-or-break season, then turn around and fire the guy for a 1-2 start. If the rope were that short, Lyons simply would've replaced him now. Since he didn't, Holgorsen will get all of 2016 to see what he can do...unless we're somehow sitting there at like 2-7 or something with a couple games remaining.
Too many seem to feel that replacing a coach is a 'finger snap' type decision. REALLY? Do most not realize that a chatting change represents about a three year delay in the productivity of the program. We lose recruits who sense that the staff might be let go. We begin (maybe THIS off season!) to see assistant coaches entertain and even accept offers from other programs. This leads to a set back in recruiting as we lose kids these coaches are tight with. Do we hire an experienced head coach? Where do we find one so much much better than the one which whom we are dissatisfied? do we hire another 'cant miss' OC and wait for hime to settle into the HC position? Do we listen to the idiots of the World and consider the likes of Doc Holiday or, even worse, consider RR, again (have not see him playing for a number of Championships and winning his conference !!!). So, is the knee jerk reaction really better for the program than what we have? Can we lay aside petty arguments and consider the facts and options rationally before a decision is made. Hopefully Lyons is man enough to adequately perform his managerial job and not be over run by outside influences or people with clout (that's means money but little more as relates to the program). we are just beginning to get the large Big XII payouts that we have been counting on. Money means improved opportunities for the staff and program. Let's not blow it because we are less than pleased with a few olay calls or a performance that is not to our liking.
 

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Personally, I think the bowl game matters a lot. By now, every coach should have a petty good idea of the things his team does well and has a month to prepare for an opponent with a lot of tape to indicate what they can do.

So the bowl game is a pretty good measure of on-field coaching ability. Also our athletes should stack up pretty evenly against ASU. So it should come down to coaching.

Lgm!
 

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Apart from getting blown out in those games, no changes will be forthcoming. Unless the thing is just totally imploding, Dana will at least be given 8 games to show his mettle. I think he needed to be fired after the KSU debacle, but once Lyons made the decision to keep him, it's a waste of a decision if we don't give him until the end of October to show improvement over this year.

I'll even add this, as one of Dana's biggest critics, if he leads the team to eight regular season wins next year, I'll be 100% in his corner. I'd admit I was wrong about his ability to turn the program around. I'd even go so far as to say if he's playing and seeing major improvement in one of our young QBs, I'd be okay with giving another year with 7 wins. The thing that ticked me off about this year is a solid backfield, best defense we've had in 6 years, 15 returning starters and the best we could do is 7-5. It was the waste of a solid team.
Agree with you here Disciples....although I honestly wonder how much the presence of Karl would affect that record? Another W or 2? Maybe...Okie St a close loss becomes a close win? I only mention it because we know of his leadership ability on field, and he was having a heck of a start to his senior year....Gibby's got his work cut out for next year too...we lose a lot of important D men...hoping he can keep coaching em up! LGM...
 
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Too many seem to feel that replacing a coach is a 'finger snap' type decision. REALLY? Do most not realize that a chatting change represents about a three year delay in the productivity of the program. We lose recruits who sense that the staff might be let go. We begin (maybe THIS off season!) to see assistant coaches entertain and even accept offers from other programs. This leads to a set back in recruiting as we lose kids these coaches are tight with. Do we hire an experienced head coach? Where do we find one so much much better than the one which whom we are dissatisfied? do we hire another 'cant miss' OC and wait for hime to settle into the HC position? Do we listen to the idiots of the World and consider the likes of Doc Holiday or, even worse, consider RR, again (have not see him playing for a number of Championships and winning his conference !!!). So, is the knee jerk reaction really better for the program than what we have? Can we lay aside petty arguments and consider the facts and options rationally before a decision is made. Hopefully Lyons is man enough to adequately perform his managerial job and not be over run by outside influences or people with clout (that's means money but little more as relates to the program). we are just beginning to get the large Big XII payouts that we have been counting on. Money means improved opportunities for the staff and program. Let's not blow it because we are less than pleased with a few olay calls or a performance that is not to our liking.

It does not lead to a three year delay in the program.

That is the biggest myth put out there. Where do you people come up with these numbers?

The biggest delay in my eyes is giving Dana three more years to go 7-6.
 

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Should DANA be fired if it is discovered that all the while he's been the head football coach at WVU, he's secretly been moonlighting as a superhero fighting organized crime and evil toxic waste dumpers?

That my fellow mountaineers is the real question.

Let's face it Superman nor Batman nor Spider-Man nor IronMan nor Aquaman and not even AntMan have ever been photographed with Dana Holgorsen. Makes me think!


OR if it's revealed he's a member of GI JOE fighting Cobra-"a terrorist organization bound and determined to rule the world."

If any of that is true will it be enough to sway some "fans" to give him the benefit of the doubt.

It's just something we ALL should also think about.

Actually I'm just gonna watch the bowl game, eat, drink, and be merry.
 

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It does not lead to a three year delay in the program.

That is the biggest myth put out there. Where do you people come up with these numbers?

The biggest delay in my eyes is giving Dana three more years to go 7-6.
Had Dana not been given a golden parachute, and been fired after the 2013 debacle, we may have a legit D1A qb on the roster...
 

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It does not lead to a three year delay in the program.

That is the biggest myth put out there. Where do you people come up with these numbers?

The biggest delay in my eyes is giving Dana three more years to go 7-6.
Myth? Hardly. The 'numbers' come from quoted statistics over many years and a whole lot of coaching changes. W keep hearing about a coach 'getting HIS type of player' into the program before one can judge his performance---THREE YEARS is most often quoted. So, if you are surprised by my reference to an anticipated three years hiatus then you must either have trouble reading or hearing information and processing it or you have been under a rock for far too long.
 

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Quoted Statistics....of course...

Because in real life...no team has ever been able to have a quick turnaround after getting rid of their head coach.

I have actually seen these turnarounds with my own eyes....but if you have quoted statistics...then silly me.
 
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If Dana goes 130-0 for the next 10 years, will some people on here still want him fired?

Answer: yes, wvpaper will at least

(This is just as stupid as the never ending hypotheticals that constantly hit this board. What I find even more amazing is how they are always the longest threads too)
 

eerdoc

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Quoted Statistics....of course...

Because in real life...no team has ever been able to have a quick turnaround after getting rid of their head coach.

I have actually seen these turnarounds with my own eyes....but if you have quoted statistics...then silly me.
Care to provide examples where you have "...seen these turnarounds with your own eyes..."? I am not interested in the random outlier but a substantial number of teams that showed a true turnaround. Having one or two decent years using the former staff's players, playbook, etc constitutes an 'outlier'. Give me teams that were mired in a losing tradition that really turned around the program in a year or two. Then look for programs that have begun to ascend after a disastrous former regime, gets terminated and the new group experiences a fall back to the former hard times (especially as relates to recruiting). We are no longer recruiting to and playing teams from the Big East (or AAC). We are in a 'big boy' league with teams that have very established programs, lots more money to spend then we, and back door recruiting advantages. Building toward competitiveness dos not occur quickly (for Dana or any coach brought in to replace him). Were he to be replaced, we can, at least, note that the new regime has a whole lot more talent (throughout the roster) than Dana inherited. Dana took the few outstanding players he received and built a winner with them. Unfortunately, those farther down the depth chart were of far less quality and the building process had to take over. Meanwhile, the competition level increased dramatically from that for which the roster was recruited to play.
Oh, and BTW, I have not seen answer to some of my original questions regarding names of the prospective miracle workers just clamoring for the opportunity to call Morgantown their home. How about some names?
 

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Heck...............just play ball. We don't need a bunch of names of coaches and teams. WV has a coach signed to a long term contract. Let's just go with what we have and move on. OK?
 
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Care to provide examples where you have "...seen these turnarounds with your own eyes..."? I am not interested in the random outlier but a substantial number of teams that showed a true turnaround. Having one or two decent years using the former staff's players, playbook, etc constitutes an 'outlier'. Give me teams that were mired in a losing tradition that really turned around the program in a year or two.

Notre Dame
Stanford
Texas A&M
Ole Miss
Miss State
Utah
 

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Lyons should finish the extension and then fire Dana BEFORE the season starts because it's possible that Dana could go 1-2 to start the season. That way everyone wins ... those who want Dana gone and those who think he deserves an extension.

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