Hey shtheads.
I’ve been a casual reader of this forum (and by that I mean I have wasted endless hours of my life I will never get back reading this black hole in my life) since my Croom liberty bowl glorious college days when everyone lost their sht and was so excited about playing the Scarlet Knights in Memphis. So much so that I legitimately have a friend who named their black lab Croom in a very serious and not ironic skinny jean hipster kind of way.
Is Mullen the man for the job? Are you people really that forgetful and easily spoiled and just that legitimately crazy? Having open discussions about Dan Mullen’s hire and whether it was good or not? Thanks. You’ve finally pushed me over the edge and forced me to make a post and embrace my crack addiction.
You guys really need a reality check. Take off those Maroon glasses. We are not even a solidified mid-tier SEC team yet. We are one colossal bad season from spiraling into a multiple year death spin with your logic. If you don’t think we are at risk for that, go talk to an Arkansas fan.
Let’s break down South Carolina’s recent rise to prominence(?) before their consecutive 11 win seasons.
First, they hired a proven championship coach (we could never do that). Second, they endured the following first six seasons:
2005: 7-6 (Independence Bowl - LOSS)
2006: 8-5 (Liberty Bowl – WIN) Lost all five games to “ranked opponents”
2007: 6-6 (Not selected for Bowl Game)
2008: 7-6 (Outback Bowl – LOSS)
2009: 7-6 (Papa John’s Bowl – LOSS)
2010: 9 -5 (Chick-Fil-A – LOSS)
**Only two of those seasons were winning SEC records.
This was at South Carolina. An athletic department with over twice our budget. With a stadium that has been seating 80,000+ people for over 20 years in the SEC East.
What do you want? To go to the SEC Championship again? To develop a football program and make Mississippi State a household name in college football? If you want the latter, then it’s sure as hell going to take a little while longer.
It takes years of consistently winning seasons and that one magical season when everything goes right to take you to the next level. Look at Georgia. A historical SEC East power with one of the all-time winningest records. The historical underachiever. They won the NC in the modern area ONCE. When? In 1980. They are still riding on that.
If you don’t understand the concept of how important developing systematic stability in a non-traditional power school is then I can’t help you. We are doomed. That’s why last year’s end of season win was important. We are here to stay, even in a down season. If you can’t understand how trying to actively “trade up” for "better" coaches in a school that has never had a top 3 recruiting class doesn’t even make logical sense then you are truly a fool. Go ahead and keep buying that $400,000 house with only $20,000 down because, don’t worry, it’s going to sell for $500,000 in the next six months.
There’s another school in Mississippi that has been trying “active” trading. The poor man’s Georgia. Let’s see how that’s fared for them:
David Cutcliffe era
44-29; five straight winning seasons; 10 win season in 30+ years including share of SEC West with LSU; first OM coach in history to go 4 bowls in first 5 seasons
Ole Miss Record since then
38-49 (.44)
Are you kidding me? Trade him for NINE (9) years of inconsistent seasons with the only highlight being two cotton bowls for the chance to now really hit it big with a Hugh Freeze? Seriously? Is that what we want?
Let’s put this in terms of that last game of the season that we don’t really care about it because it’s not a rivalry game. I’m 25. If we averaged 2 out of 3 egg bowls for the next conceivable future I would be 80 before we EVENED the series. That means I would have been enduring regular prostate exams and colonoscopies for 30 years. If I even still have a prostate.
I think we made a colossal hire with Dan Mullen. We understood our position in the marketplace and took a risk on a smart OC with no previous head coaching experience for the hopes that he would blossom into something.
He’s not perfect, but he is also young and hungry and still learning. He has so far taken our program to where it has not been before. Sure, some programs get lucky and hire the homerun on their first try. But understand that this is a SMALL PERCENTAGE scenario. Such a move is more than likely going to fail. And if you can stomach the high possibility of inconsistent seasons for the next 10 years, for the CHANCE of a coach who will “for sure win SEC West, bro”, go ahead. The only way something like that would make any kind of sense (as much sense as pressing harder on the TV remote when your battery is dead) is if you hired a proven winner at a big school (minimized risk).
As for me, I’ll take the index and consistent overall improvement thus far and bet on the market.
Good luck to you thinking about investing in that trendy new .com that’s going to make you rich. Let me know how that works out for you.
I’ve been a casual reader of this forum (and by that I mean I have wasted endless hours of my life I will never get back reading this black hole in my life) since my Croom liberty bowl glorious college days when everyone lost their sht and was so excited about playing the Scarlet Knights in Memphis. So much so that I legitimately have a friend who named their black lab Croom in a very serious and not ironic skinny jean hipster kind of way.
Is Mullen the man for the job? Are you people really that forgetful and easily spoiled and just that legitimately crazy? Having open discussions about Dan Mullen’s hire and whether it was good or not? Thanks. You’ve finally pushed me over the edge and forced me to make a post and embrace my crack addiction.
You guys really need a reality check. Take off those Maroon glasses. We are not even a solidified mid-tier SEC team yet. We are one colossal bad season from spiraling into a multiple year death spin with your logic. If you don’t think we are at risk for that, go talk to an Arkansas fan.
Let’s break down South Carolina’s recent rise to prominence(?) before their consecutive 11 win seasons.
First, they hired a proven championship coach (we could never do that). Second, they endured the following first six seasons:
2005: 7-6 (Independence Bowl - LOSS)
2006: 8-5 (Liberty Bowl – WIN) Lost all five games to “ranked opponents”
2007: 6-6 (Not selected for Bowl Game)
2008: 7-6 (Outback Bowl – LOSS)
2009: 7-6 (Papa John’s Bowl – LOSS)
2010: 9 -5 (Chick-Fil-A – LOSS)
**Only two of those seasons were winning SEC records.
This was at South Carolina. An athletic department with over twice our budget. With a stadium that has been seating 80,000+ people for over 20 years in the SEC East.
What do you want? To go to the SEC Championship again? To develop a football program and make Mississippi State a household name in college football? If you want the latter, then it’s sure as hell going to take a little while longer.
It takes years of consistently winning seasons and that one magical season when everything goes right to take you to the next level. Look at Georgia. A historical SEC East power with one of the all-time winningest records. The historical underachiever. They won the NC in the modern area ONCE. When? In 1980. They are still riding on that.
If you don’t understand the concept of how important developing systematic stability in a non-traditional power school is then I can’t help you. We are doomed. That’s why last year’s end of season win was important. We are here to stay, even in a down season. If you can’t understand how trying to actively “trade up” for "better" coaches in a school that has never had a top 3 recruiting class doesn’t even make logical sense then you are truly a fool. Go ahead and keep buying that $400,000 house with only $20,000 down because, don’t worry, it’s going to sell for $500,000 in the next six months.
There’s another school in Mississippi that has been trying “active” trading. The poor man’s Georgia. Let’s see how that’s fared for them:
David Cutcliffe era
44-29; five straight winning seasons; 10 win season in 30+ years including share of SEC West with LSU; first OM coach in history to go 4 bowls in first 5 seasons
Ole Miss Record since then
38-49 (.44)
Are you kidding me? Trade him for NINE (9) years of inconsistent seasons with the only highlight being two cotton bowls for the chance to now really hit it big with a Hugh Freeze? Seriously? Is that what we want?
Let’s put this in terms of that last game of the season that we don’t really care about it because it’s not a rivalry game. I’m 25. If we averaged 2 out of 3 egg bowls for the next conceivable future I would be 80 before we EVENED the series. That means I would have been enduring regular prostate exams and colonoscopies for 30 years. If I even still have a prostate.
I think we made a colossal hire with Dan Mullen. We understood our position in the marketplace and took a risk on a smart OC with no previous head coaching experience for the hopes that he would blossom into something.
He’s not perfect, but he is also young and hungry and still learning. He has so far taken our program to where it has not been before. Sure, some programs get lucky and hire the homerun on their first try. But understand that this is a SMALL PERCENTAGE scenario. Such a move is more than likely going to fail. And if you can stomach the high possibility of inconsistent seasons for the next 10 years, for the CHANCE of a coach who will “for sure win SEC West, bro”, go ahead. The only way something like that would make any kind of sense (as much sense as pressing harder on the TV remote when your battery is dead) is if you hired a proven winner at a big school (minimized risk).
As for me, I’ll take the index and consistent overall improvement thus far and bet on the market.
Good luck to you thinking about investing in that trendy new .com that’s going to make you rich. Let me know how that works out for you.
