If Ole Miss wins today, we get bumped out.
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Ole Miss's lack of quality wins will hurt them on selection Sunday. Their RPI is keeping them in the conversation but they have only one top 50 RPI win and that was against a mediocre Alabama team. I just don't know that a win against an up and down Vandy team is going to be enough when you look at the entire body of work.
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and are on a 5 game win streak. I know they take those things into account. I have not been following as closely, but I just don't see why it's so open and shut that you are in and we can't be, even by beating Vandy today.
I think if we beat Vandy we're in. Lunardi has us like 5th team out.
I think if we beat Vandy we're in. Lunardi has us like 5th team out.
....there's no question that ya'll deserve a bid over us. I am not knowledgeable enough to compare resumes with some of these other bubble teams, but there's no question that if I were on that committee and it came down to Ole Miss or State, I'd go with Ole Miss. Especially with a win today.
GOODDAWG said:
we arent making the Tourney- THERE IS NOTHING TO PULL FOR. ITS OVER
and with that being said- the consequences of us not making the NCAA Tourney are that we will be getting a new basketball coach. So while I'm pissed that our nimrod of a coach couldnt get this team into the NCAA Tourney, I'm very happy that we will be getting a new coach.
Does that make sense now?
Lunardi takes a starting point mid year and changes things as they happen. He didn't bump us down enough for the end of the season swoon in his projections. We have an RPI in the 70's and 8-9 SEC record, and we laid an egg when we needed it most. I'll say that not only are we not in, we're not even that close. Ole Miss is 50-50 now and locks it up with a win today.
I dont think State or OM gets in unless OM wins the tournament.
It is Goat that you are arguing with .
It is Goat that you are arguing with .
And would be very appropriate if Ole Miss gets screwed and we got in. IMO, the point is moot as they will not beat Vandy. They didn't play anyone out of conference and were blown out by Marquette. Personally, Ole Miss has to win the whole thing to go period. All you guys did was sweep Arkansas when we lost to them at their place and beat Georgia (barely) while we lost to them. Other then that, what have you done to deserve to be in? You had every chance to prove your case as you had Florida and Vandy at your place but couldn't seal the deal and were 1-4 against the top 4 seeds (going to be 1-5 after today). Think MSU 2009-2010 season, you guys have to win the whole thing to get there. Welcome to the disappointment Sunday bears!
Hanmudog said:
we have two top 50 wins- one being Vandy and the other being Bama
So you are saying Mississippi wont get in with 2 top 50 wins- those being Bama and Vandy...yet we will??? And their RPI and SOS is better than ours? AND they won more conference games????
This argument that our OOC was so intense is just mystifying to me. The only thing keeping them out and us in right now is perception and the fact that half the country can't even tell us apart.
Jerry Palm has them in already with us not even in the convo anymore fwiw. Since when did lunardi become the only "expert"
Jerry Palm has them in already with us not even in the convo anymore fwiw. Since when did lunardi become the only "expert"
My feeling is we will only get four SEC teams in. Unless Ole Miss wins the SEC tourney, we should only get four in. Ole Miss didn't do enough out of conference and laid eggs against Vandy and Florida at home. His points are valid though Ole Miss does not deserve to be in.
Coach34 said:
I didn't say **** about us getting in. We don't deserve to and it would shock the hell out of me if we did.
I said that Ole Miss only has one top 50 win. There have been plenty of years where we were in the 50ishRPI range but only beat bad teams all year and we ended up sitting home because there were no marquee wins.
Joe's bubble watch hasn't really changed at all since the tournament started. All he has done is drop a couple of teams who have been out for a few days.
Nope. In fact, I say 4 teams from the SEC will get in. My point is Ole Miss doesn't deserve to get in either based on all of the attributes. Based on them losing to a good Vandy team today, they will effectively be out after today so it will be a non issue. I was just saying if they get screwed with us over them would be great. FWIW we don't deserve to be in either.
5 projected NCAAT teams. Ole Miss has beaten 2, one of those is us. Both teams were 8-8 in conference. Tournament wins don't go to your conference record. There is a such thing as quality losses. We got beat by only 2 points to Baylor. Ole Miss got blown out by 30 to Marquette. Ole Miss got blown out by Vandy and UK. We haven't really been blown out all year.
The committee should factor in we playe 2.5 games without Hood. On top of all of this, the Big East doesn't deserve 10 bids and the Pac 12 doesn't deserve 3. Somebody has to make it. Old school committee members used to pick a team they thought was capable of making a run. MSU is capable of making a run.
Also, ESPN uses something called the BPI. The RPI is a joke.
The committee should factor in we playe 2.5 games without Hood. On top of all of this, the Big East doesn't deserve 10 bids and the Pac 12 doesn't deserve 3. Somebody has to make it. Old school committee members used to pick a team they thought was capable of making a run. MSU is capable of making a run.
Also, ESPN uses something called the BPI. The RPI is a joke.
If they win today they deserve it though. And right now they are more deserving than we are is my only point.
I foresee a rubber match with them in NYC though
I foresee a rubber match with them in NYC though
We both have similar OOC wins as our best-- a home win against Miami for OM and a home win against WV for us. Difference being that WV is going to the tourney. We also beat AZ who is going to the tourney. I'd say the OOC should favor us if anyone is actually studying it. Im sorry but im just not impressed that OM lost to MTSU in Desoto or to USM at home. Tourney teams take at least one of those games.
We have 2 top 50 wins in Bama and Vandy. OM has 1 in Bama. 1 of ours is a road win.
We both went 8-8 in an average conference.
RPI is really becoming a joke. Everyone is finally catching on. To say ya'll are better in RPI AND OOC Schedule is essentially arguing the same meaningless stat twice.
I don't think we should get in and neither should Om if OM loses today.
We have 2 top 50 wins in Bama and Vandy. OM has 1 in Bama. 1 of ours is a road win.
We both went 8-8 in an average conference.
RPI is really becoming a joke. Everyone is finally catching on. To say ya'll are better in RPI AND OOC Schedule is essentially arguing the same meaningless stat twice.
I don't think we should get in and neither should Om if OM loses today.
they are 44th.
Like I said yesterday, if we dropped La Monroe, Florida Atlantic, UT Martin, and Troy and replaced them with South Dakota State, Loyola Maryland, Ohio and Weber State our RPI would be Top 40. You are talking about a stat that is 25% made up of your opponents/opponents schedules. How dumb is that? Like 8dog said, SOS and RPI are the same meaningless stat.
Like I said yesterday, if we dropped La Monroe, Florida Atlantic, UT Martin, and Troy and replaced them with South Dakota State, Loyola Maryland, Ohio and Weber State our RPI would be Top 40. You are talking about a stat that is 25% made up of your opponents/opponents schedules. How dumb is that? Like 8dog said, SOS and RPI are the same meaningless stat.
We have 3 bad losses, they have 1. Also, as much as everyone talks about how you finish not being as big a factor, losing 8 of 10 down the stretch should absolutely factored in. We simply suck right now, no sugar voting that.
Neither of us has a good resume. But if you take out the bias and names and just look at the numbers, ours isn't any better than theirs just because we beat a decent wvu, ****** A&M and alright Zona 3 months ago.
If the committee should consider that we played 2.5 games without hood, should it also consider that they played a full half season without 2 players and lost their leading scorer?
Bottom line is that we have NO business making the tourney. Would I be happy if we do even though we don't deserve it? Yes. OM will have a legIt beef though if we make it and they get left out.
Neither of us has a good resume. But if you take out the bias and names and just look at the numbers, ours isn't any better than theirs just because we beat a decent wvu, ****** A&M and alright Zona 3 months ago.
If the committee should consider that we played 2.5 games without hood, should it also consider that they played a full half season without 2 players and lost their leading scorer?
Bottom line is that we have NO business making the tourney. Would I be happy if we do even though we don't deserve it? Yes. OM will have a legIt beef though if we make it and they get left out.
Yall are in and we aren't even with a win today. Which I don't expect, we don't match up well with Vandy. And they're playing lights out.
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it will probably turn some heads. You have alot of momentum and it certainly seems that you are a better team right now. But if they look at the whole body of work I think MSU is a notch on the ladder better. We beat some pretty good teams this year. I know for a fact the committee looks at who you beat from top to bottom. They examine and analyze it, and go much deeper than RPI.
The USM game was at their place. Assuming we beat Vandy today, we basically have the exact same top 50 resume. Your team played 6 teams outside the RPI top 200. We only played 3. You lost 4 games to teams outside the Top 100, while we only lost 1. That makes a difference.
We played half MTSU game without Murphy Holloway, as well as the next three games (2 of them losses). Injuries won't and shouldn't play a factor.Quality losses are different than quality of losses. Who you lose to matters, how you lose doesn't. As I said to another guy, you have several more bad losses than us (4 outside the top 100). We may not have many good wins, but we don't have bad losses (1 outside top 100).