If the PLAYOFFS started today.... (9/12)

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

So many adversaries, so little time. As a GW fan, I look at path to a title game, not the title itself. I can't worry about the other bracket and let's be honest, everything goes out the window when you step on the big stage.

GW's path as a #2 seed in 7A would be significantly less fraught with terror than Brother Rice's #2 seed in 8A. I think I could get consensus around that point.

you can from me. I believe 8A with GBW and GBN is far deeper and far more scary than 7A. if they both move to 7A - it starts to balance out a little (IMHO) but I would still say 8A would be deeper 1`thru 32. The 1 thru 4 on each side would be impressive both at 7A and 8A

 

[LHSTigers94]

So many adversaries, so little time. As a GW fan, I look at path to a title game, not the title itself. I can't worry about the other bracket and let's be honest, everything goes out the window when you step on the big stage.

GW's path as a #2 seed in 7A would be significantly less fraught with terror than Brother Rice's #2 seed in 8A. I think I could get consensus around that point.

Don't disagree with that however if I am 13 seed ESL I would much rather play 8A Stevenson than 7A Mt. Carmel simply because MC run the option which is something you don't see often and is hard to simulate.

 

[LHSTigers94]

I was using one team that might not even make the 8A playoffs and has beaten a high caliber 6A playoff team as an example of the depth in 8A this year. I was not commenting on specific playoff matchups and which 7A team is better than which 8A team or who I would rather face.

I agree matchups mean a lot. Some teams match up better than others. If you have a bad back 4 and no pass rush cuz your Dline is 300+ pounds and cant move - then YEAH they have a better shot at beating a smash mouth 4 yards and a cloud of dust team versus a speed/spread team.

Yes, I was mixing two different point of views. In the end, its high school football which is very unpredictable.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Yes, I was mixing two different point of views. In the end, its high school football which is very unpredictable.

And on that we are in total agreement!! That's why we love it so much - ANYTHING can happen!!

 

[Hinterland]

Although I know of one team in particular who hopes you are correct in your preliminary lists, should not Crete-Monee be somewhere in the mix in the Lower 6A bracket?

 

[Catch--22]

The cutoff is 2-1 record with 11 playoff points and 1 combined win of all defeated opponents.

Crete-Monee is 1-2 with 17 pp.

 

[Hinterland]

The cutoff is 2-1 record with 11 playoff points and 1 combined win of all defeated opponents.

Crete-Monee is 1-2 with 17 pp.

Thanks.

 

[capnbillhitters]

Don't disagree with that however if I am 13 seed ESL I would much rather play 8A Stevenson than 7A Mt. Carmel simply because MC run the option which is something you don't see often and is hard to simulate.

Wait...now you are using one team to make...nm

True you can pick any game and say "hate to be that team," but truth is that no way ESL ends up as 13 seed if they run the table like everyone assumes. Each year I think we end up with around 2-4 undefeated per class so ESL will be 4 once the field sorts it out.

But yes, sometimes the chips fall and a #1 seed ends up playing MC in the 2nd round of 7A.

 

[LHSTigers94]

Wait...now you are using one team to make...nm

True you can pick any game and say "hate to be that team," but truth is that no way ESL ends up as 13 seed if they run the table like everyone assumes. Each year I think we end up with around 2-4 undefeated per class so ESL will be 4 once the field sorts it out.

But yes, sometimes the chips fall and a #1 seed ends up playing MC in the 2nd round of 7A.

True. That was my point in determining which class is the strongest. To me it depend on the type of team you have.

 

[Cross Bones]

No bad day at all, discussing the topic. You used one team LP to prove your logic so I use one team to counter. True I would much rather play RM vs LWE however I would much rather play LWE instead of MC for a championship. As a matter of fact, I would much rather play any school instead of MC or GW who brings a different type of run game to the table. If I had a great front 7 and a terrible back 4, I would much rather play the MC/GW over a MS any day.

Yes, but would you rather play St. Charles North or H-F?

True. That was my point in determining which class is the strongest. To me it depend on the type of team you have.

I think I agree with you on the boards 98-99% of the time. I think we disagree on matchups here. You are looking at the type of schemes a team runs, I am looking at whether that team has the players to make whatever scheme work.

 

[LHSTigers94]

Yes, but would you rather play St. Charles North or H-F?


I think I agree with you on the boards 98-99% of the time. I think we disagree on matchups here. You are looking at the type of schemes a team runs, I am looking at whether that team has the players to make whatever scheme work.

Not necessarily looking at the scheme as much as the players and player type. I'll take you back in time a little bit 2011 when both ESL and O'fallon was in the quarters in 7A. ESL played WWS and O'fallon had St. Rita. WWS had Vitale which was a huge back that took out a #1 seed undefeated LWE. St. Rita had the receiver #3 that was their playmaker. ESL defense was fast and small, while O'fallon defense was bigger but slower. ESL and O'fallon both lost however, if ESL played Rita and O'fallon played WWS it think both teams would have won and created the rematch in the semis. I think they matched up a lot better versus the other opponent.

As far as MC's option, wing T football, etc. Those things are just a headache to scheme against when you don't see them everyday. The reverse can be the case for those schools having to defend the spread.

My point is similar to the issues the Brook have with LWE. No matter how good or bad each team is on paper, the reality is the actual game will always tell a different story.

 

[Cross Bones]

Not necessarily looking at the scheme as much as the players and player type. I'll take you back in time a little bit 2011 when both ESL and O'fallon was in the quarters in 7A. ESL played WWS and O'fallon had St. Rita. WWS had Vitale which was a huge back that took out a #1 seed undefeated LWE. St. Rita had the receiver #3 that was their playmaker. ESL defense was fast and small, while O'fallon defense was bigger but slower. ESL and O'fallon both lost however, if ESL played Rita and O'fallon played WWS it think both teams would have won and created the rematch in the semis. I think they matched up a lot better versus the other opponent.

As far as MC's option, wing T football, etc. Those things are just a headache to scheme against when you don't see them everyday. The reverse can be the case for those schools having to defend the spread.

My point is similar to the issues the Brook have with LWE. No matter how good or bad each team is on paper, the reality is the actual game will always tell a different story.

But I think you will agree with me that either St. Rita or WWS would have had the players and capability to win the game even though one matchup may have been better than the other. Those are two programs with a history of being able to win. Where I would draw the distinction is which class has more programs like WWS or SR... schools that have the players to win the game even if you play well, and then how many schools are in the class who can win if you have an "off night"

 

[LHSTigers94]

But I think you will agree with me that either St. Rita or WWS would have had the players and capability to win the game even though one matchup may have been better than the other. Those are two programs with a history of being able to win. Where I would draw the distinction is which class has more programs like WWS or SR... schools that have the players to win the game even if you play well, and then how many schools are in the class who can win if you have an "off night"

Yes I can agree with this statement.