If the PLAYOFFS started today (9/28)......

[Catch--22]

This is NOT a prediction. These are NOT my opinions. It is simply the most logical way the playoffs would be bracketed, using the IHSA's specific system, if today's standings were the final standings.

Each week I usually have to add/subtract teams to get a true 256. The outlook doesn't adjust for the teams ineligible for the playoffs from the CPS "Chicago" conferences (teams who finish 3rd place and lower). The outlook doesn't adjust for a conference champion falling below the cutoff. I take care of all that before proceeding.

The cut-off this week was 3-2, 19 pp.... 14 teams had this record. Only one of the 14 made the playoffs on the IHSA Outlook.

I pulled Schurz (7A), Mather (6A), Steinmetz (6A), Washington (6A), Foreman (5A), and Orr (3A) out of the playoffs because of the CPS "Chicago" conference rule. I inserted Rolling Meadows (7A) and Morgan Park (6A) into the playoffs because their conferences had zero qualifiers in the outlook. They are currently the conference leaders. This leaves us with 252 teams.

To choose the final four teams, I need to break the tie between the 13 remaining teams at 3-2/19. They were Freeport Aquin, Pinckneyville, Fairfield, Freeburg, Mount Zion, Ridgewood, Hyde Park, Lakes, St. Charles North, Mundelein, Maine West, Morgan Park, and West Aurora. We skip Morgan Park because they already make it as a conference champ. The next tiebreaker is total victories by the teams you defeated. Four teams are tied with a total of 5.... Freeport Aquin (1A), Ridgewood (5A), Lakes (6A), and St. Charles North (7A). Freeburg was the next closest team with a 2nd tiebreak total of 4. They are considered the first team out of the entire field.

To balance the classes at 32 each, I had to move Orion up to 2A, Trenton (Wesclin) up to 3A, and Lincoln Way North down to 6A.

This week I will not use QUADS to reduce travel in 1A through 6A. I do not see any mention of quads in the section detailing how the playoff pairings are determined. If somebody can find out for certain, I'd appreciate it!

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So if Oswego beats Notre Dame, that guarantees Loyola hosts H-F should they meet up in week 12... Superb! That is, if H-F can squeak by battle-tested Maine South. It's a hard knock life as the 8 seed in 8A!!!

The HC quad in 8A could be a wild card with no power programs or clear favorite... Although, my boo Beth Long suddenly loves Huntley even more than LWE and MCC.

As much as Loyola bouncing H-F in the quarters would tickle me, it will really suck if Glenbard West plays Libertyville in the quarters.... Bracket shenanigans should be allowed to keep those two teams away from each other before Thanksgiving.

R-B is currently #1 is 6A. Did I wake up in 2001??? Although soft, some of the rivalry match-ups and potential match-ups in 6A could provide some spice before the big inevitable Montini/SH-G title game.

5A, lots of CPS... Too many. These are not the competitive CPS programs either.

I'll add 2A next week. ENJOY!!!!


~~~~~ 8A ~~~~~

Upper Bracket
#32 Simeon at #1 Loyola
#17 Oswego at #16 Notre Dame
#25 Maine South at #8 Homewood-Flossmoor
#24 Marist at #9 Edwardsville

#29 Evanston at #4 Hinsdale Central
#20 South Elgin at #13 Fremd
#28 Belleville East at #5 Huntley
#21 Minooka at #12 Lyons

Lower Bracket
#31 Waubonsie Valley at #2 Oak Park
#18 Sandburg at #15 Glenbard East
#26 Stevenson at #7 New Trier
#23 Warren at #10 Palatine

#30 Joliet West at #3 Barrington
#19 Neuqua Valley at #14 Naperville Central
#27 Glenbrook South at #6 Conant
#22 Curie at #11 Brother Rice

--- 2nd smallest school - Maine South 2338
--- Smallest school - Simeon 2311


~~~~~ 7A ~~~~~

--- Largest school - Schaumburg 2308
--- 2nd largest school - Glenbard West 2283

Upper Bracket
#32 Rolling Meadows at #1 Whitney Young
#17 Bradley-Bourbannais at #16 Eisenhower
#25 Plainfield North at #8 Mount Carmel
#24 Pekin at #9 Harlem

#29 East St. Louis at #4 Normal
#20 Reavis at #13 Crystal Lake South
#28 Glenbard North at #5 Thornton
#21 Glenbrook North at #12 Lincoln Park

Lower Bracket
#31 St. Charles North at #2 Glenbard West
#18 Hononegah at #15 Benet
#26 Addison Trail at #7 Libertyville
#23 Wheaton North at #10 Jacobs

#30 Quincy at #3 Batavia
#19 Auburn at #14 Lincoln-Way East
#27 Belleville West at #6 Geneva
#22 Schaumburg at #11 Cary-Grove

--- 2nd smallest school - Quincy 1785
--- Smallest school - Crystal Lake South 1759



~~~~~ 6A ~~~~~

--- Largest school - Lincoln-Way North 1718
--- 2nd largest school - Lake Forest 1674

Upper Bracket
#16 Lakes at #1 Riverside-Brookfield
#9 Belvidere North #8 Lake Forest
#13 Crystal Lake Central at #4 DeKalb
#12 Guilford at #5 Prairie Ridge

#15 Hampshire at #2 Montini
#10 Kenwood at #7 Kaneland
#14 Hinsdale South at #3 Vernon Hills
#11 Belvidere at #6 St. Francis

Lower Bracket
#16 Morgan Park at #1 Lincoln-Way North
#9 Crete-Monee at #8 Lincoln-Way West
#13 Galesburg at #4 Sacred Heart-Griffith
#12 Richards at #5 Peoria

#15 Glenwood at #2 Oak Forest
#10 Ottawa at #7 Lemont
#14 Normal West at #3 Peoria Notre Dame
#11 Yorkville at #6 Dunlap

--- 2nd smallest school - Belvidere 1263
--- Smallest school - Dunlap 1248


~~~~~ 5A ~~~~~


--- Largest school - Glenbard South 1228
--- 2nd largest school - King 1217

Upper Bracket
#16 Ridgewood at #1 Joliet Catholic
#9 DuSable #8 Lindblom
#13 Julian at #4 Solorio Academy
#12 S. Laurence at #5 Westinghouse

#15 Freeport at #2 King
#10 Payton at #7 Nazareth
#14 Woodstock North at #3 Marian Central
#11 Glenbard South at #6 Sterling

Lower Bracket
#16 Eisenhower at #1 Washington
#9 University at #8 Champaign Cetral
#13 Morris at #4 Metamora
#12 Limestone at #5 Hillcrest

#15 Jacksonville at #2 Triad
#10 Rich Central at #7 Tinley Park
#14 Mahomet-Seymour at #3 Highland
#11 Centralia at #6 Marion

--- 2nd smallest school - Julian 848
--- Smallest school - Ridgewood 822

~~~~~ 4A ~~~~~

--- Largest school - Geneseo 814
--- 2nd largest school - Taylorville 809

Upper Bracket
#16 Genoa-Kingston at #1 Geneseo
#9 Herscher #8 Richmond-Burton
#13 Pontiac at #4 Marengo
#12 Prairie Central at #5 Rockford Lutheran

#15 St. Edward at #2 Phillips
#10 Johnsburg at #7 Plano
#14 Coal City at #3 Manteno
#11 Dixon at #6 Wheaton Academy

Lower Bracket
#16 Clinton at #1 Civic Memorial
#9 Herrin at #8 Harrisburg
#13 Litchfield at #4 Columbia
#12 Richland County at #5 Murphysboro

#15 Alton Marquette at #2 Althoff Catholic
#10 Macomb at #7 Quincy Notre Dame
#14 Effingham at #3 Rochester
#11 Mater Dei at #6 Taylorville

--- 2nd smallest school - Phillips 559
--- Smallest school - Litchfield 555


~~~~~ 3A ~~~~~

--- Largest school - Princeton 547
--- 2nd largest school - Bloomington Central Catholic 546

Upper Bracket
#16 Farmington at #1 Wilmington
#9 Erie-Prophetstown #8 Gordon Tech
#13 North Boone at #4 Immaculate Conception
#12 ROWVA at #5 Byron

#15 Peoria Heights at #2 Princeton
#10 St. Bede at #7 Elmwood-Brimfield
#14 Clark at #3 Raby
#11 Lisle at #6 Bishop McNamara

Lower Bracket
#16 Pleasant Plains at #1 St. Joseph-Ogden
#9 Hillsboro at #8 Paxton-Buckley-Loda
#13 Wesclin at #4 Marshall
#12 Unity at #5 Bloomington Central catholic

#15 Carlinville at #2 North Mac
#10 Sullivan-Okaw Valley at #7 Monticello
#14 Roxana at #3 Newton
#11 DuQuoin at #6 Paxton-Buckley-Loda

--- 2nd smallest school - Farmington 411
--- Smallest school - Wesclin 409


~~~~~ 2A ~~~~~

--- Largest school - Newman Central Catholic 407.55
--- 2nd largest school - New Berlin 407

--- 2nd smallest school - Gibson County-Melvin-Sibley 312
--- Smallest school - Orion 305

~~~~~ 1A ~~~~~

--- Largest school - Tuscola 299
--- 2nd largest school - Hope Academy 297

 

[MS4EVER]

I looked at this earlier. Holy $#!*!!! Thank God the playoffs don't start today!

 

[USD24]

That JCA group in 5A is aweful! Yuck. If that holds true, we would most likely see a re-match of JCA/Naz or JCA/MCC in the semi's. Almost guarentee's an ESCC team in the finals

 

[mchsalumni]

I give it 45 more minutes until the 1st complaint about how unfair the seeding is in this scenario. Sigh.

Nice work @Catch--22!

 

[Bwm57]

What the heck, HF is number 8?
How can this be, they would destroy Ohio State by at least 7 touchdowns!!!!
Thanks for adding the largest/smallest.

 

[Wild_Mustang]

Great work man, this is awesome

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

Holy smokes! Shg finally will have to work to get to state

 

[Penlight]

That JCA group in 5A is aweful! Yuck. If that holds true, we would most likely see a re-match of JCA/Naz or JCA/MCC in the semi's. Almost guarentee's an ESCC team in the finals

I believe that the Hilltoppers are actually further South than a couple of the schools placed in the Southern bracket.

 

[godfthr53]

I believe that the Hilltoppers are actually further South than a couple of the schools placed in the Southern bracket.

I hope so

 

[USD24]

I hope so

Right now, it looks like Tinley Park and Hillcrest are both geographically north of JCA

 

[Dino brown]

Holy smokes! Shg finally will have to work to get to state

AMEN!!!!!

 

[chuck998]

Thanks for all the hard work on this. Regarding 1A, I've never seen one of these games, but last Friday, i attended a Class A game in Minnesota, featuring 2 teams that were highly ranked. Each team fielded about 36 players, and I've gotta tell you, they just beat the crap out of each other for 48 minutes. Each team had a few studs, and no, the quality if play is not at the H F or GW level, but if you can, go support these smaller teams, especially as the playoffs get underway. They need, and deserve, the support. I'll make time this season to go to some of these games.

 

[Catch--22]

Yes, but it was close. When I split the state, I had 15 obvious north, 13 obvious south, and JCA, Hill, TP, and RC left in the middle. Because there were 3 spots open in the south, I left the 3 rivals together.

There is no telling what the IHSA will do in a situation like this. They don't really have a hard and fast rule. JCA has been in the lower bracket several times in recent years. Unfortunately, they weren't in the lower bracket when Elmwood Park was the 5 seed in the upper bracket in 2012.

If anything, this lets us know that JCA isn't obviously north as of right now. I guess the downstate teams in 5A just don't have the number of qualifiers this year that they usually do. SHG is out of 5A, but Montini is also.

 

[Dino brown]

AMEN!!!!!

This is NOT a prediction. These are NOT my opinions. It is simply the most logical way the playoffs would be bracketed, using the IHSA's specific system, if today's standings were the final standings.

Each week I usually have to add/subtract teams to get a true 256. The outlook doesn't adjust for the teams ineligible for the playoffs from the CPS "Chicago" conferences (teams who finish 3rd place and lower). The outlook doesn't adjust for a conference champion falling below the cutoff. I take care of all that before proceeding.

The cut-off this week was 3-2, 19 pp.... 14 teams had this record. Only one of the 14 made the playoffs on the IHSA Outlook.

I pulled Schurz (7A), Mather (6A), Steinmetz (6A), Washington (6A), Foreman (5A), and Orr (3A) out of the playoffs because of the CPS "Chicago" conference rule. I inserted Rolling Meadows (7A) and Morgan Park (6A) into the playoffs because their conferences had zero qualifiers in the outlook. They are currently the conference leaders. This leaves us with 252 teams.

To choose the final four teams, I need to break the tie between the 13 remaining teams at 3-2/19. They were Freeport Aquin, Pinckneyville, Fairfield, Freeburg, Mount Zion, Ridgewood, Hyde Park, Lakes, St. Charles North, Mundelein, Maine West, Morgan Park, and West Aurora. We skip Morgan Park because they already make it as a conference champ. The next tiebreaker is total victories by the teams you defeated. Four teams are tied with a total of 5.... Freeport Aquin (1A), Ridgewood (5A), Lakes (6A), and St. Charles North (7A). Freeburg was the next closest team with a 2nd tiebreak total of 4. They are considered the first team out of the entire field.

To balance the classes at 32 each, I had to move Orion up to 2A, Trenton (Wesclin) up to 3A, and Lincoln Way North down to 6A.

This week I will not use QUADS to reduce travel in 1A through 6A. I do not see any mention of quads in the section detailing how the playoff pairings are determined. If somebody can find out for certain, I'd appreciate it!

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So if Oswego beats Notre Dame, that guarantees Loyola hosts H-F should they meet up in week 12... Superb! That is, if H-F can squeak by battle-tested Maine South. It's a hard knock life as the 8 seed in 8A!!!

The HC quad in 8A could be a wild card with no power programs or clear favorite... Although, my boo Beth Long suddenly loves Huntley even more than LWE and MCC.

As much as Loyola bouncing H-F in the quarters would tickle me, it will really suck if Glenbard West plays Libertyville in the quarters.... Bracket shenanigans should be allowed to keep those two teams away from each other before Thanksgiving.

R-B is currently #1 is 6A. Did I wake up in 2001??? Although soft, some of the rivalry match-ups and potential match-ups in 6A could provide some spice before the big inevitable Montini/SH-G title game.

5A, lots of CPS... Too many. These are not the competitive CPS programs either.

I'll add 2A next week. ENJOY!!!!


~~~~~ 8A ~~~~~

Upper Bracket
#32 Simeon at #1 Loyola
#17 Oswego at #16 Notre Dame
#25 Maine South at #8 Homewood-Flossmoor
#24 Marist at #9 Edwardsville

#29 Evanston at #4 Hinsdale Central
#20 South Elgin at #13 Fremd
#28 Belleville East at #5 Huntley
#21 Minooka at #12 Lyons

Lower Bracket
#31 Waubonsie Valley at #2 Oak Park
#18 Sandburg at #15 Glenbard East
#26 Stevenson at #7 New Trier
#23 Warren at #10 Palatine

#30 Joliet West at #3 Barrington
#19 Neuqua Valley at #14 Naperville Central
#27 Glenbrook South at #6 Conant
#22 Curie at #11 Brother Rice

--- 2nd smallest school - Maine South 2338
--- Smallest school - Simeon 2311


~~~~~ 7A ~~~~~

--- Largest school - Schaumburg 2308
--- 2nd largest school - Glenbard West 2283

Upper Bracket
#32 Rolling Meadows at #1 Whitney Young
#17 Bradley-Bourbannais at #16 Eisenhower
#25 Plainfield North at #8 Mount Carmel
#24 Pekin at #9 Harlem

#29 East St. Louis at #4 Normal
#20 Reavis at #13 Crystal Lake South
#28 Glenbard North at #5 Thornton
#21 Glenbrook North at #12 Lincoln Park

Lower Bracket
#31 St. Charles North at #2 Glenbard West
#18 Hononegah at #15 Benet
#26 Addison Trail at #7 Libertyville
#23 Wheaton North at #10 Jacobs

#30 Quincy at #3 Batavia
#19 Auburn at #14 Lincoln-Way East
#27 Belleville West at #6 Geneva
#22 Schaumburg at #11 Cary-Grove

--- 2nd smallest school - Quincy 1785
--- Smallest school - Crystal Lake South 1759



~~~~~ 6A ~~~~~

--- Largest school - Lincoln-Way North 1718
--- 2nd largest school - Lake Forest 1674

Upper Bracket
#16 Lakes at #1 Riverside-Brookfield
#9 Belvidere North #8 Lake Forest
#13 Crystal Lake Central at #4 DeKalb
#12 Guilford at #5 Prairie Ridge

#15 Hampshire at #2 Montini
#10 Kenwood at #7 Kaneland
#14 Hinsdale South at #3 Vernon Hills
#11 Belvidere at #6 St. Francis

Lower Bracket
#16 Morgan Park at #1 Lincoln-Way North
#9 Crete-Monee at #8 Lincoln-Way West
#13 Galesburg at #4 Sacred Heart-Griffith
#12 Richards at #5 Peoria

#15 Glenwood at #2 Oak Forest
#10 Ottawa at #7 Lemont
#14 Normal West at #3 Peoria Notre Dame
#11 Yorkville at #6 Dunlap

--- 2nd smallest school - Belvidere 1263
--- Smallest school - Dunlap 1248


~~~~~ 5A ~~~~~


--- Largest school - Glenbard South 1228
--- 2nd largest school - King 1217

Upper Bracket
#16 Ridgewood at #1 Joliet Catholic
#9 DuSable #8 Lindblom
#13 Julian at #4 Solorio Academy
#12 S. Laurence at #5 Westinghouse

#15 Freeport at #2 King
#10 Payton at #7 Nazareth
#14 Woodstock North at #3 Marian Central
#11 Glenbard South at #6 Sterling

Lower Bracket
#16 Eisenhower at #1 Washington
#9 University at #8 Champaign Cetral
#13 Morris at #4 Metamora
#12 Limestone at #5 Hillcrest

#15 Jacksonville at #2 Triad
#10 Rich Central at #7 Tinley Park
#14 Mahomet-Seymour at #3 Highland
#11 Centralia at #6 Marion

--- 2nd smallest school - Julian 848
--- Smallest school - Ridgewood 822

~~~~~ 4A ~~~~~

--- Largest school - Geneseo 814
--- 2nd largest school - Taylorville 809

Upper Bracket
#16 Genoa-Kingston at #1 Geneseo
#9 Herscher #8 Richmond-Burton
#13 Pontiac at #4 Marengo
#12 Prairie Central at #5 Rockford Lutheran

#15 St. Edward at #2 Phillips
#10 Johnsburg at #7 Plano
#14 Coal City at #3 Manteno
#11 Dixon at #6 Wheaton Academy

Lower Bracket
#16 Clinton at #1 Civic Memorial
#9 Herrin at #8 Harrisburg
#13 Litchfield at #4 Columbia
#12 Richland County at #5 Murphysboro

#15 Alton Marquette at #2 Althoff Catholic
#10 Macomb at #7 Quincy Notre Dame
#14 Effingham at #3 Rochester
#11 Mater Dei at #6 Taylorville

--- 2nd smallest school - Phillips 559
--- Smallest school - Litchfield 555


~~~~~ 3A ~~~~~

--- Largest school - Princeton 547
--- 2nd largest school - Bloomington Central Catholic 546

Upper Bracket
#16 Farmington at #1 Wilmington
#9 Erie-Prophetstown #8 Gordon Tech
#13 North Boone at #4 Immaculate Conception
#12 ROWVA at #5 Byron

#15 Peoria Heights at #2 Princeton
#10 St. Bede at #7 Elmwood-Brimfield
#14 Clark at #3 Raby
#11 Lisle at #6 Bishop McNamara

Lower Bracket
#16 Pleasant Plains at #1 St. Joseph-Ogden
#9 Hillsboro at #8 Paxton-Buckley-Loda
#13 Wesclin at #4 Marshall
#12 Unity at #5 Bloomington Central catholic

#15 Carlinville at #2 North Mac
#10 Sullivan-Okaw Valley at #7 Monticello
#14 Roxana at #3 Newton
#11 DuQuoin at #6 Paxton-Buckley-Loda

--- 2nd smallest school - Farmington 411
--- Smallest school - Wesclin 409


~~~~~ 2A ~~~~~

--- Largest school - Newman Central Catholic 407.55
--- 2nd largest school - New Berlin 407

--- 2nd smallest school - Gibson County-Melvin-Sibley 312
--- Smallest school - Orion 305

~~~~~ 1A ~~~~~

--- Largest school - Tuscola 299
--- 2nd largest school - Hope Academy 297

That JCA group in 5A is aweful! Yuck. If that holds true, we would most likely see a re-match of JCA/Naz or JCA/MCC in the semi's. Almost guarentee's an ESCC team in the finals

you got that right!!

 

[eireog]

If the playoffs started today that upper bracket of the upper bracket in 8a would possibly be the toughest bracket ever. 1-32 seeding can only work fairly with a true seeding of teams based on a true power ranking. Let the DSR determine the seeds.

 

[eireog]

Yes, but it was close. When I split the state, I had 15 obvious north, 13 obvious south, and JCA, Hill, TP, and RC left in the middle. Because there were 3 spots open in the south, I left the 3 rivals together.

There is no telling what the IHSA will do in a situation like this. They don't really have a hard and fast rule. JCA has been in the lower bracket several times in recent years. Unfortunately, they weren't in the lower bracket when Elmwood Park was the 5 seed in the upper bracket in 2012.

If anything, this lets us know that JCA isn't obviously north as of right now. I guess the downstate teams in 5A just don't have the number of qualifiers this year that they usually do. SHG is out of 5A, but Montini is also.

I can guarantee you the IHSA would not drop JCA into the south and set up the very realistic chance of an all ESCC championship game.

 

[BretEpic]

Right now, it looks like Tinley Park and Hillcrest are both geographically north of JCA

LOL, and that can change?

 

[guerinfbfan]

Who is this Gordon Tech you speak of

 

[Catch--22]

Just a little chuckle hidden in the brackets for the group.... Took 24 hours to be discovered

 

[goodnamesaregone]

Sorry to be a kill-joy for your "tickle," but maybe just a perspective on the current HF seeding would be in order (and I'm no HF apologist, I was just curious; so I looked up teams that HF's played).

HF's relatively low seeding results from the number of losses by its opponents. But HF hasn't played Sandburg, LWE and the Brook. If HF can prevail in those games (and I'm not saying they will), that would tend to raise HF's seeding, because those teams have relatively few other losses.

Likewise, the teams that HF has already beaten (for example Stagg and Lockport) haven't had their chances with some of the other historically weaker teams in the conference. Not all of those schools can lose to each other. Somebody has to win those games. So, not all of those schools will end up with no wins and all losses for the season, which is essentially how they stand now.

And I believe that there is some thought on these boards that DGS could win out the rest of its games (or most of them?) and still make the play-offs. That would make HF's win against the 'Stangs look better, too.

Now, all of a sudden, the rest of the factors for seeding will look a lot different.

Soooooo... while I appreciate your work on the seeding and your disclaimer that it isn't your opinion, perhaps you should in fact drop the commentary about being tickled to see Loyola beat HF, but only if HF could get past a battle-tested Maine South. (As if HF isn't battle-tested - perhaps by a state championship loss last year?) That is opinion and not fact. You can have it one way or the other. Who knows, maybe HF will choke again against LWE or Bolingbrook. They've done it before. Having watched them play, though, they sure are fast.

 

[HFDAD]

Unfortunately, HF will still have a relatively low point total at the end of the regular season. Now that we are in the conference games, each week HF is assured of getting 3 or 4 points from their conference foes. There are 8 team in conference. HF will play 1 and the other 6 will battle each other. Thus, if HF wins their opponent does NOT add a playoff point for HF due to the loss to HF. If HF loses, then their opponent DOES add a playoff point to HF, due to their win against HF. As for the other 6 teams, 3 will win and 3 will lose. So, for conference teams only, HF will only get 3 or 4 points per week.

That leaves Stevenson and DGS. Even if Stevie and DGS win out the rest of their games, it only provides 2 more points each week. So, if HF wins out, they can only gain 5 points per week. If they lose to LWE, they will get 6 points that week.....but all hell would break lose because the lost again to LWE.

My point is that, there are not enough games left to catch the other points leaders that may be 9-0, if HF is 9-0. They are anywhere from 1 point behind the other 5 - 0 teams up to 7 points behind Loyola. They just cannot make up the difference from some of these teams without their non conference foes (Stevie and DGS) not winning 8 games or their conference foes not winning more of their OOC games.

 

[goodnamesaregone]

I'm not sure I necessarily agree, but I follow what you are saying., and it is certainly true to some extent.

But you have to remember that this is a snapshot in time. So the records are based on just who the teams have played, and the analysis does not take into account what teams are coming up on the schedule. (In other words, HF's strength of schedule component does not include LWE or Sandburg). I'm not saying that HF will move up to a #1 seed (or that they deserve to be), but it seems that they would be higher than an 8 seed if they win out. The numbers just seemed really odd to me (and still kind of do).

Maybe someone can shed some light? Catch?

 

[sixersball]

The current playoff points listed takes into account all 9 opponents. They don't wait until they play to add them to the total.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Some still don't get it...

 

[jdhitters]

While there are certainly teams in each class that each team would not want to face until DeKalb, (shout out to Libertyville-now quit whining), if you believe your team is a state contender, what real difference does it make how the IHSA seeds you? Playoffs are a new season and anything can happen. LT, for example, darn near beat Stevie last year early in the playoffs. HF seems overly concerned about the state seeds. Does GW complain because WY is seeded first in 7A? Yes there is going to be shifting in the seeds as the season goes on. What I find most useful about this is what class each school is likely to end up in. After that, you need to be the best in you class to win the Dance, regardless of IHSA seed. Finally, I look forward to this post every week and appreciate the work behind it.

 

[BretEpic]

Is there something in the Homewood water?

 

[Bwm57]

I think it's in the HF bars.

 

[Catch--22]

Sixersball nailed it. In the playoff outlook each week, the entire schedule is taken into account for playoff points... even future opponents. This isn't my first rodeo. We've been doing this week by week for 10 years. There's no shame in the H-F schedule… Kudos for scheduling Downers South and Stevenson. Loyola's advantage is more a result of the small CCL conferences and their crossovers…. While HF's conference opponents will have a variety of records ranging from nearly undefeated to nearly winless, Loyola's opponents will all be over .500 because of the cupcake crossovers they play. There is no Stagg, JC, or Lockport on the Loyola schedule. Their weakest opponent is DePaul, who will likely win six or seven games. CCL Blue teams always have sky-high playoff points.

The only time I can remember discussing HF's playoff points this year was when I was explaining it all to Golden Domer. Even undefeated, there are certain teams H-F will not be seeded above if they are also undefeated. I remember Loyola had a 5-point PP advantage of that time. In the two weeks since, they've gained another two PP's on H-F. If H-F loses to Bolingbrook or Lincoln-Way East and earns more playoff points, they'll sink in the seedings anyway. 7-2 is never seeded above 8-1 or 9-0.

As for the other fun stuff, I've made one teasing remark about H-F each week. Maybe I should add the disclaimer that the brackets are objective, but my hilarious witticisms can be opinions. If you want to lecture somebody, start with Superfan number one in the H-F bleachers… I readily admit that the way he's behaved on these boards for the last 10 years colors the way I feel about the Vikings. He has been completely abhorrant in victory, immediately absent in defeat, and pretty much the worst part of the otherwise enjoyable experience I've had chatting with and meeting other high school football fans.

I don't think it matters one iota whether or not fans from other schools respect H-F in the long run. I'm sure other posters would be willing to admit that they do also root against the Vikings, and like me, it's solely because of Golden Domer. I'm needling the guy with my comments... He often reacts... It's fun!

I saw H-F in person against DGS, and they are incredible. I'm impressed by what I see every Friday night on The Drive on High School Lites… The coaching seems great, the kids they feature are highly talented, and the facilities are ridiculous. Call me petty for Rooting against them, but I'm just being honest. As amazing as they are, when they play LWE BB, MS, LA, whomever; I'll be hoping against all hope that they lose.

If anybody from H-F doesn't like it, too damn bad… Go talk to Golden Domer about it… And get some thicker skin too, because in the end, you'll probably have the last laugh in DeKalb anyway.

#dropthemicemoji

 

[SiuCubFan8]

How is H-F not the #1 seed again???

 

[Catch--22]

Bill Swerski: Now, gentlemen, let me ask you this: What if H-F were all 14 inches tall, you know, about so high? Now, what's your score of today's game?

Carl Wollarski: Against Lincoln-Way East?

Bill Swerski: Yes, give 'em a handicap.

Carl Wollarski: Vikings 18, Griffins 10. And that would finally be a good game.

Pat Arnold: Yeah, it would be a good game. Mini Vikings 24, Griffins 14.

Todd O'Conner: What about Buzea? Would he be mini, too?

Bill Swerski: No, he would be full-grown.

Todd O'Conner: Oh, then, uh.. Mini Vikings 31, Griffins 7.

Carl Wollarski: Oh, hold on. Then I change mine, too. I thought it was Mini Buzea!!!

 

[goodnamesaregone]

Thanks, everyone, for the clarification. I agree with the poster who said that it really doesn't matter where a team is seeded. If a team is good enough to win, it's going to win no matter its seed.

Candidly, I'm not from HF. I just didn't understand the nuances of the seeding etc. I went to the DGS game and to the Stevie game because one of my friends wanted to go, and I had seen the hype. So you can't blame the HF water or bars for my apparent lack of knowledge.

I'm new to these boards and don't know the history of the HF superfan. Having looked back a little at the posts this season, I see a little of the problem and understand the context of Catch's jabs.

 

[BretEpic]

Bill Swerski: Now, gentlemen, let me ask you this: What if H-F were all 14 inches tall, you know, about so high? Now, what's your score of today's game?

Carl Wollarski: Against Lincoln-Way East?

Bill Swerski: Yes, give 'em a handicap.

Carl Wollarski: Vikings 18, Griffins 10. And that would finally be a good game.

Pat Arnold: Yeah, it would be a good game. Mini Vikings 24, Griffins 14.

Todd O'Conner: What about Buzea? Would he be mini, too?

Bill Swerski: No, he would be full-grown.

Todd O'Conner: Oh, then, uh.. Mini Vikings 31, Griffins 7.

Carl Wollarski: Oh, hold on. Then I change mine, too. I thought it was Mini Buzea!!!

Amazing

 

[Bwm57]

Ok, GNAG. In the interest that you are new to the board and the fact that this process is confusing, below is copied from the IHSA Manual for Schools and Managers. As you will see there really isn't any opinion of "who is better" involved, it's just wins and then down the list of qualifications.
Seeding the Brackets
After determining the 32 team bracket, in
classes 1A-6A, teams will be separated in two
(2) brackets of 16. In classes 7A-8A, the
brackets will be seeded 1-32
Within each bracket, the seeds are
determined by sorting the teams by two of the
factors used to determine playoff berths:
• Total wins
• Combined wins of all opponents (known
as tie-breaker points.)
If two or more teams are tied for a
particular seed, the following tiebreakers are
applied:
• Head-to-head record (if exactly two teams
are tied)
• Wins of defeated opponents
• Random selection by computer

Thanks, everyone, for the clarification. I agree with the poster who said that it really doesn't matter where a team is seeded. If a team is good enough to win, it's going to win no matter its seed.

Candidly, I'm not from HF. I just didn't understand the nuances of the seeding etc. I went to the DGS game and to the Stevie game because one of my friends wanted to go, and I had seen the hype. So you can't blame the HF water or bars for my apparent lack of knowledge.

I'm new to these boards and don't know the history of the HF superfan. Having looked back a little at the posts this season, I see a little of the problem and understand the context of Catch's jabs.

 

[goodnamesaregone]

Got it. Thanks. Strictly by the numbers. Bad conference teams ultimately affect all the teams in any given conference.

 

[Golden Domer93]

Regardless of where HF is seeded whether it is #1 or #32,....they will win state and thats the bottom line

 

[mc140]

Regardless of where HF is seeded whether it is #1 or #32,....they will win state and thats the bottom line

More likely they lose in the quarterfinals and we get a 9 month break from your terrible posts.

 

[Golden Domer93]

mc140, who is HF gonna lose to???? LOL LOL LOL

 

[goodnamesaregone]

Domer- you mean because LWE is in 7A? Well it would seem Loyola and any playoff team from the DVC have more than a fighting chance to knock off HF. HF is really good and really fast (which is what prompted my question way back at the top), but as only a casual HF observer, I'll be interested to see how things stand after they play LWE, Sandburg and Bolingbrook.

 

[jdhitters]

Domer- you mean because LWE is in 7A? Well it would seem Loyola and any playoff team from the DVC have more than a fighting chance to knock off HF. HF is really good and really fast (which is what prompted my question way back at the top), but as only a casual HF observer, I'll be interested to see how things stand after they play LWE, Sandburg and Bolingbrook.

Good, because you are new, my advice is don't bite on Domer. It is worse than arguing with a 3 year old having a tantrum.

 

[godfthr53]

I want to see what happens with HF is actually in a football game for 48 minutes.