If there was proof of wrongdoing by Koenning

[VaultHunter]

Would he be getting paid? Wouldn't that be grounds for termination and I'm sure grounds for not paying Vic a dime.

If he did some thing that hurt KM's feelings and was let go, that is total BS.

A fireable offense is not the same as mutually parting ways.

No this was a KM is upset, the media is upset and if we don't do something dozens of people will be upset. We appreciate what y'all did for us but we gotta let ya go buddy. Here's a couple hundred thousand to make it sting a little less.

Weak.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

KM also lied about his HS coach for saying that he said VK has a “slave owners mentality”.. and he also lied about going to Neal Brown because if Neal lied about that, he and his staff would be fired by now.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Would he be getting paid? Wouldn't that be grounds for termination and I'm sure grounds for not paying Vic a dime.

If he did some thing that hurt KM's feelings and was let go, that is total BS.

A fireable offense is not the same as mutually parting ways.

No this was a KM is upset, the media is upset and if we don't do something dozens of people will be upset. We appreciate what y'all did for us but we gotta let ya go buddy. Here's a couple hundred thousand to make it sting a little less.

Weak.

It was NB and Lyings pandering to The Woke Mob.

They cancelled him. Make no mistake...NB and Lyings are just muppets, KM is the one with power now. The leadership has become upside down.

How does NB actually coach a player hard after this? He relinquished his authority. The players know he is weak, he cant get that back.

NB is scared of his own players, worried they will say something bad about him....muppet coach.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Would he be getting paid? Wouldn't that be grounds for termination and I'm sure grounds for not paying Vic a dime.

If he did some thing that hurt KM's feelings and was let go, that is total BS.

A fireable offense is not the same as mutually parting ways.

No this was a KM is upset, the media is upset and if we don't do something dozens of people will be upset. We appreciate what y'all did for us but we gotta let ya go buddy. Here's a couple hundred thousand to make it sting a little less.

Weak.

Vic DID do something wrong...he called a kid a retard and tried pushing religion at work. That isnt acceptable, calling a kid a retard...

The problem is TONS of terrible things get said in football that are overlooked.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

Vic DID do something wrong...he called a kid a retard and tried pushing religion at work.

The problem is TONS of terrible things get said in football that are overlooked.

And don’t forget the constant niggah bombs by the players. If a coach said good hit my niggah, he would be thrown out. Players run the asylum now.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

How do you push religion and call a kid a retard at the same time?

Vic is clearly wrong here, but the way they caved on this is terrible. Any idea how many N words are dropped during a practice? How many Mutha---f's, the way women are discussed (hoes, bitches).

I mean, talk about being selective...

It was just a sacrifice to the twitter crowd.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

It’s funny that all these WVU sports scoop websites have leaked other stories, yet they won’t comment on the VK situation or ask for comments from Lyons, Brown, Gee, etc because the press passes will be threatened to be revoked like they were in Luck’s days as AD.

Multiple coaches that I’ve had at all Levels have called me regarded for making bonehead mistakes. I never once thought about crying to my parents or principal or AD. That type of coaching always made me work harder. These men need to realize they aren’t mommy’s special little snowflake anymore.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I dont think there is a bad word I haven't been called by a coach, but calling someone a retard is, imo, is very wrong.

I had a coach who would use that a lot and my buddy on the team had a sister who was severely mentally handicapped...he never forgot that and many years later as adults he cornered the coach in a bar and told him told him what a lowlife he was, which I think was fine.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

It’s funny that all these WVU sports scoop websites have leaked other stories, yet they won’t comment on the VK situation or ask for comments from Lyons, Etc because the press passes will be threatened like they were in Luck’s days here as AD.

Multiple coaches that I’ve had at all Levels have called me regarded for making bonehead. Is takes. I never once thought about crying to my parents or principal or AD. That type of coaching always made me work harder. These men need to realize they aren’t mommy’s special little snowflake anymore.

Football will be in for a big change if the PC philosophy seeps in....basically every coach ever, of all time...will get cancelled.

 

[Nova Mountaineer]

Would he be getting paid? Wouldn't that be grounds for termination and I'm sure grounds for not paying Vic a dime.

If he did some thing that hurt KM's feelings and was let go, that is total BS.

A fireable offense is not the same as mutually parting ways.

No this was a KM is upset, the media is upset and if we don't do something dozens of people will be upset. We appreciate what y'all did for us but we gotta let ya go buddy. Here's a couple hundred thousand to make it sting a little less.

Weak.

WHOA Darth you left the most offended bunch - President Gee's politically correct friends across academia - he just couldn't have them offended who would he have to talk to at their
next conference?

 

[Darth_VadEER]

WHOA Darth you left the most offended bunch - President Gee's politically correct friends across academia - he just couldn't have them offended who would he have to talk to at their
next conference?

Gee should have been retired 20 years ago....the fact we replaced Clements with this Weekend At Bernies Muppet for this long is ridiculous....

He is the pinnacle of this horse **** and needs to go.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Make Luck President...he probably doesn't want it but everyone else is completely incompetent and has an anti-wvu agenda.

These people are not our friends. They are phony people who hate who we are.

The people who are the most embarrassed to be West Virginians are running the University.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

Make Luck President...he probably doesn't want it but everyone else is completely incompetent and has an anti-wvu agenda.

These people are not our friends. They are phony people who hate who we are.

The people who are the most embarrassed to be West Virginians are running the University.

Id recommend a new AD as well that wants to be there and help WVU get its spunk back instead of trying to be like Penn St, UVA, etc.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Id recommend a new AD as well that wants to be there and help WVU get its spunk back instead of trying to be like Penn St, UVA, etc.

We were a year late. I wanted White Babcock.

 

[oceantide83]

Vic DID do something wrong...he called a kid a retard and tried pushing religion at work. That isnt acceptable, calling a kid a retard...

The problem is TONS of terrible things get said in football that are overlooked.

Those tons of terrible things wouldn't get said if the sport was golf or tennis or something way less violent. But we're talking about the most violent of sports here, so if you can't take mean words being thrown your way and have to run to twitter spouting off lies because your feelings got hurt like a little snowflake, you shouldn't be playing the sport. Kerry Martin is an embarrassment to football.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Those tons of terrible things wouldn't get said if the sport was golf or tennis or something way less violent. But we're talking about the most violent of sports here, so if you can't take mean words being thrown your way and have to run to twitter spouting off lies because your feelings got hurt like a little snowflake, you shouldn't be playing the sport. Kerry Martin is an embarrassment to football.

I'm not disagreeing. In fact that was my point...

Mean stuff is said every practice....they never cared until it was put on Twitter.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Would he be getting paid? Wouldn't that be grounds for termination and I'm sure grounds for not paying Vic a dime.

If he did some thing that hurt KM's feelings and was let go, that is total BS.

A fireable offense is not the same as mutually parting ways.

No this was a KM is upset, the media is upset and if we don't do something dozens of people will be upset. We appreciate what y'all did for us but we gotta let ya go buddy. Here's a couple hundred thousand to make it sting a little less.

Weak.

VK was a man and stepped down to not further embarrass the university. Look back at 2010 and Bill Stewart. He also was paid and resigned.

 

[SKYHAWKBALL]

Typical crappy reporting by Hoppy by not even recognizing how the BLM Mafia runs things on Twitter and puts pressure on these universities to get exactly what they want. Hoppy doesn’t even mention the bold faced lies mentioned by Martin in his Twitter, yet somehow this is an environment thing. He doesn’t hold Lyons or Gee accountable for having no spine . Also, did Hoppy even think that Brown had a choice of getting rid of VK. It was decided those few days after by Gee and Lyons that VK has to go and the investigation was a way to see if they could get out of paying him his buyout clause.

Kercheval has become as bad as Larry King. It’s funny that the Metronews team had basically a party on the podcast when Dana left, but not one peep from Caridi, Howe, or Hoppy on their podcast about this whole ordeal.

https://wvmetronews.com/2020/07/24/reading-the-tea-leaves-on-koennings-departure/

 

[spartansstink]

Koenning was gone the second that Martin hit "send" on his social media account. It was the wrong way to do it and it was wrong that it was done but it is done and Koenning was "sent" packing.

The lifeblood of any program is the players. Coaches come and go for various reasons. Some are fired, some resign, some retire, and some just move on. But, what makes the program is the players. They are what draws the crowds and they are what brings in the money. That is what all this is about - the ability to bring in the players and thus bring in the money. Koenning had to go because of that - his presence could potentially hurt the bottom line.

It can be claimed that this gives the players too much power and maybe that's true. A player's "word" can destroy a coach's job or career. We see it happen not just here but everywhere now. It's not fair, but it's just the way it is now.

We've allowed emotions to rule the day. To make our decisions for us. Reason and logic have gone out the door. We see a microcosm of it right here on these forums as people rant emotionally from both sides. It's just a reflection of what's happening all across our country.

Let us not forget it was the emotional response of Pat White after the Fiesta Bowl that caused a drunken 2:00 A.M. mob to give us Bill Stewart so it works in the opposite also.

WVU will move on from Vic Koenning - a good man and a great coach. WVU will also move on from Kerry Martin. But, there will be a lot more Kerry Martins to come who will have to be treated with kid gloves. Money supercedes loyalty in this business and more and more Vic Koennings will be the result.

 

[deedoubleyou]

VK did nothing wrong, and I dont believe he flat out called anyone a retard either. Context is important, but even with that there is no way to even know its true. What I do know is true is that KM is a fkn weak little boy, and handled himself very poorly, yet Brown and Lyons chose him over a great DC which we desperately needed. This is going to set back WVU, imo. Everyone I know is pretty much done with WVU football after this because they clearly see that pandering to cancel culture is a really bad thing for American society. The excitement was there, and now its deflated.

And Hoppy is a weak minded egghead. I've been listening to him through this pandemic, and he's ridiculous.

 

[Rootmaster]

Make Luck President...he probably doesn't want it but everyone else is completely incompetent and has an anti-wvu agenda.

These people are not our friends. They are phony people who hate who we are.

The people who are the most embarrassed to be West Virginians are running the University.

Good grief...not Luck! The guy is a walking pompous train wreck.

 

[oceantide83]

Koenning was gone the second that Martin hit "send" on his social media account. It was the wrong way to do it and it was wrong that it was done but it is done and Koenning was "sent" packing.

The lifeblood of any program is the players. Coaches come and go for various reasons. Some are fired, some resign, some retire, and some just move on. But, what makes the program is the players. They are what draws the crowds and they are what brings in the money. That is what all this is about - the ability to bring in the players and thus bring in the money. Koenning had to go because of that - his presence could potentially hurt the bottom line.

It can be claimed that this gives the players too much power and maybe that's true. A player's "word" can destroy a coach's job or career. We see it happen not just here but everywhere now. It's not fair, but it's just the way it is now.

We've allowed emotions to rule the day. To make our decisions for us. Reason and logic have gone out the door. We see a microcosm of it right here on these forums as people rant emotionally from both sides. It's just a reflection of what's happening all across our country.

Let us not forget it was the emotional response of Pat White after the Fiesta Bowl that caused a drunken 2:00 A.M. mob to give us Bill Stewart so it works in the opposite also.

WVU will move on from Vic Koenning - a good man and a great coach. WVU will also move on from Kerry Martin. But, there will be a lot more Kerry Martins to come who will have to be treated with kid gloves. Money supercedes loyalty in this business and more and more Vic Koennings will be the result.

Coaches should stop recruiting blacks. Problem solved.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

I dont think there is a bad word I haven't been called by a coach, but calling someone a retard is, imo, is very wrong.

I had a coach who would use that a lot and my buddy on the team had a sister who was severely mentally handicapped...he never forgot that and many years later as adults he cornered the coach in a bar and told him told him what a lowlife he was, which I think was fine.

You can argue the same thing about calling someone stupid. Stupid isn't ignorance, it's a level of cognitive incapability. Not as severe as the acceptable until 5 minutes ago medical term "mental retardation", but one none the less. It's not a pejorative used to denigrate the profoundly cognitively impaired who can't help their intellectual short comings, but rather those that are capable of organized cognitive thought just not doing so.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

You can argue the same thing about calling someone stupid. Stupid isn't ignorance, it's a level of cognitive incapability. Not as severe as the acceptable until 5 minutes ago medical term "mental retardation", but one none the less. It's not a pejorative used to denigrate the profoundly cognitively impaired who can't help their intellectual short comings, but rather those that are capable of organized cognitive thought just not doing so.

I disagree.

 

[WVUALLEN]

How do you push religion and call a kid a retard at the same time?

Vic is clearly wrong here, but the way they caved on this is terrible. Any idea how many N words are dropped during a practice? How many Mutha---f's, the way women are discussed (hoes, bitches).

I mean, talk about being selective...

It was just a sacrifice to the twitter crowd.

I would say his trips to Charleston to deliver food is where he tried the so called pushing his religion on him. Young people today don't know how to debate or relay what they really believe in.

 

[Mystic Mountie]

It was NB and Lyings pandering to The Woke Mob.

They cancelled him. Make no mistake...NB and Lyings are just muppets, KM is the one with power now. The leadership has become upside down.

How does NB actually coach a player hard after this? He relinquished his authority. The players know he is weak, he cant get that back.

NB is scared of his own players, worried they will say something bad about him....muppet coach.

Bingo. My respect level for Neal went down after this. I hope he can right the ship and get WVU back on track, but this will leave a sour taste for a while. I think this can potentially open things up for more problems between players and staff.

It's a shame what's going on in and around WVU these days pandering to the woke mob. Also, they just didn't cancel VK they literally put him into the Orwellian memory hole.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

I disagree.

Fair enough. I highly doubt that the vast majority of those that call some a "retard" are doing so because they would equally mock and denigrate a person with say Down's syndrome. Sure its insensitive, but it's not the same as making fun of someone with an actual cognitive impairment. And I think its unfair to impugn that upon someone using it without actually pointing out how you are taking it.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

Bingo. My respect level for Neal went down after this. I hope he can right the ship and get WVU back on track, but this will leave a sour taste for a while. I think this can potentially open things up for more problems between players and staff.

It's a shame what's going on in and around WVU these days pandering to the woke mob. Also, they just didn't cancel VK they literally put him into the Orwellian memory hole.

It's hard for me to hate on Neal since he is under the thumb of Lyons. Sure he maybe 100% complicit in this which would take him down a peg in my book. However, if his public protestations would severely damage his job and career without any real benefit, I can't blame the guy if Lyons dictated what was going to go down and Neal had to just accept it in silence. Now I'd definitely admire him more if did die on this hill, but I can't say I'd really fault him for weighing the risks vs benefits of choosing whether or not to die upon this hill. If he were someone like say Saban on the other hand, then it's a but different of a story since Saban has the career and clout to challenge an AD at the power 5 level.

 

[GhostofGraves]

It was NB and Lyings pandering to The Woke Mob.

They cancelled him. Make no mistake...NB and Lyings are just muppets, KM is the one with power now. The leadership has become upside down.

How does NB actually coach a player hard after this? He relinquished his authority. The players know he is weak, he cant get that back.

NB is scared of his own players, worried they will say something bad about him....muppet coach.

I'm sorry to say it, but I agree completely. The lesson taught all the players is that you can make up quotes from your high school coach and lie about other things, and you'll be supported because the staff is afraid to confront you. Good luck with that. I was optimistic about Brown before this, but I think we will look back on this as the beginning of the end.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

I'm sorry to say it, but I agree completely. The lesson taught all the players is that you can make up quotes from your high school coach and lie about other things, and you'll be supported because the staff is afraid to confront you. Good luck with that. I was optimistic about Brown before this, but I think we will look back on this as the beginning of the end.

Yeah, Brown is a weak guy.

A HC cant be submissive to his players, which Brown is...and he is also scared shitless of Lyings.

At least DH pushed back. NB just seems lile a doormat for everyone.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Vic Koenning would have been thrown overboard at every major program in the country.

Some of you are attempting to create an imaginary story that isn't there.

More than that you are thinking that the coaches didn't know what was going on before the Tweet.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The AD's on these board have no clue. If they were in Brown and Lyons postion they would have done the same thing. VK screwed himself should have stuck to Football instead of politics and Religion. The tough guy on here who loves Dana and plays with star wars toys is and idiot. Dana cared more about booze and Cocaine then he did about football.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

There was a reason why Dana allowed the players to pick the uniforms...

These are the choices you have to give the players.

Can't treat them like 13 year old kids and expect them top play like lions.

Lions have control of their surroundings.

Neal Brown is a Lion. Vic Koenning isn't. He is a sheep

 

[WVUALLEN]

Hard to excuse calling a sensitive little fellow a retard.

 

[TownesVanZandt_rivals]

Sometimes you just have to trust your program.

Like I said before. The chance that Neal Brown or anyone on the coaching staff not to know what was going down before the tweet is very small.

We will see...
If it is something else the program may not ever get off the ground.

But if you look at Neal Brown and what he is about you would think that maybe there is a reason why everything went down the way it did.

Nothing against Vic Koenning but he wasn't the right man for the job.

Any major football program would have ran him out
Maybe not the way WVU did but Koenning would have been out the door