If Tiger wins today,
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either tiger can't come from behind, or it's proof there is no competition.
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It's pointless to keep arguing with him. He will adjust the facts to fit his agenda, no matter how stupid it sounds.
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It's pointless to keep arguing with him. He will adjust the facts to fit his agenda, no matter how stupid it sounds.
facts are facts- whether you like them or not.
Fact- Tom Watson tied for the 72 hole lead in the British Open at age 59 and 10 months. Also, with an artificial hip. That tells you how good Tiger's competition is. Now if you want to spin it that that shows what a great player he is, thats fine. Because my whole point is Jack's competition was better than Tiger's.
Fact- Tiger's partner in the final pairing usually blows up. Last week, the only guy in the top 30 to shoot over par was paired with Tiger. This week, Harrington was the only guy to shoot over par in the top 10.
Fact- unless he wins the PGA, Tiger and Jack will be on exactly the same pace for Majors wins.
Fact- Tiger has never come from behind to win a major when trailing after 54 holes.
Fact- Tom Watson tied for the 72 hole lead in the British Open at age 59 and 10 months. Also, with an artificial hip. That tells you how good Tiger's competition is. Now if you want to spin it that that shows what a great player he is, thats fine. Because my whole point is Jack's competition was better than Tiger's.
Fact- Tiger's partner in the final pairing usually blows up. Last week, the only guy in the top 30 to shoot over par was paired with Tiger. This week, Harrington was the only guy to shoot over par in the top 10.
Fact- unless he wins the PGA, Tiger and Jack will be on exactly the same pace for Majors wins.
Fact- Tiger has never come from behind to win a major when trailing after 54 holes.
Tiger is going to win more majors? Well, duh. His competition is weaker. And he is without a doubt the 1st or 2nd best golfer in our planet's history.
That he is going to come from behind after 54 holes in a major to win? God I hope so.
I dont think history is going to show his competition is tougher. Watson put a huge *** dent in that theory in the British Open. Not to mention tourney after tourney in which his competition just falls apart in that final pairing. It doesnt make Tiger any greater when the guy in his pairing shoots 73 after being 10 under or more the first 3 days of the tourney. Last weeks meltdown was ridiculous.
I dont think history is going to show Tiger finishing 1st or 2nd in majors as much as Jack did, Jack was 2nd as many times as he was 1st...and Jack's top 10's during the 1970's was crazy good.
That he is going to come from behind after 54 holes in a major to win? God I hope so.
I dont think history is going to show his competition is tougher. Watson put a huge *** dent in that theory in the British Open. Not to mention tourney after tourney in which his competition just falls apart in that final pairing. It doesnt make Tiger any greater when the guy in his pairing shoots 73 after being 10 under or more the first 3 days of the tourney. Last weeks meltdown was ridiculous.
I dont think history is going to show Tiger finishing 1st or 2nd in majors as much as Jack did, Jack was 2nd as many times as he was 1st...and Jack's top 10's during the 1970's was crazy good.
Does it make for good TV? Sure. Would it be a more compelling story? Maybe. But what's the difference? If he wins 20 majors without coming from behind, that's no less impressive than winning 20 with a few comebacks. It just means 20 times, Tiger took control of the tournament and won.
And you should really look at a list of major champions from the 60's and 70's sometime. There were no-names and washed-up has-beens competing for major events then, too.
And you should really look at a list of major champions from the 60's and 70's sometime. There were no-names and washed-up has-beens competing for major events then, too.
You nearly made a statement there that I haven't seen from you before. That is, that maybe Tiger is the best golfer ever. We've made progress.
Now is the time that you can tell me you've said that all along. I will issue a "mea culpa" if you can produce such a statement from the archives.
Now is the time that you can tell me you've said that all along. I will issue a "mea culpa" if you can produce such a statement from the archives.
You keep using Tom Watson at the British Open this year to prove your point, but in doing so you exclude all the other major championships that Jack and the guys that played with him in the last fifteen years where they failed to even make the cut. Every year there is a handful of old guys that play the Masters and go home on Friday after nothing more than a ceremonial appearance. Fact is, Watson, a great ball striker, found the perfect storm of great weather conditions and an easy course to put together a good weekend in a tournament that values ball striking and ball control over distance and power games. I take nothing away from Watson. What he did was a great historic performance by one of the top golfers of all time, but its more the exception than a normal thing and therefore should be thrown out as an outlier instead of you constantly harping on the one odd ball occurance like it actually means something.
And I'm sure if someone had the time and inclination they could find a similar occurrence during Jack's day. That is, an older golfer doing exceptionally well during a PGA event.
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"Fact is, Watson, a great ball striker, found the perfect storm of great weather conditions and an easy course to put together a good weekend in a tournament that values ball striking and ball control over distance and power games."
Watson is about to be 60 and has an artificial hip. In no way, shape, or form should he have been in contention to win a major with the young guys of today. "Great weather conditions and an easy course" should have played into their hands as well- not just Watson's.
Watson is about to be 60 and has an artificial hip. In no way, shape, or form should he have been in contention to win a major with the young guys of today. "Great weather conditions and an easy course" should have played into their hands as well- not just Watson's.
I'm not gonna keep arguing about this with you because like OP4 said, you're gonna spin it how you want to fit your argument. However, regardless of why Watson was in contention for the British Open, it still doesn't change the fact that it was the rarest of occurances. All the other majors where Jack and those that played with him make the "ceremonial" two day appearances blow your example out of the water and prove that it was an outlier not a norm. If those guys who were so great and the competition is as ****** as you say it is, those greats wouldn't be playing on the Senior Tour if they could still contend in majors regularly.
Also, its not like Watson was running away with the tournament, so therefore, the easy conditions did play into the other player's hands as well. The games of most pros today are taylored towards the power games. That's why the British Open is such a great test every year because guys have to go away from their usual gameplan. The British Open plays great for a guy who has the control/finesse game like Watson, hence the reason he won 5 British Opens. Like I said before, Watson ran into a perfect storm of great weather and a tournament that plays to his strengths. Add the fact that he played great and you have an old timer with an artificial hip contending for a major. As incredible of a feat as it was, its not hard to see how it happened.
Also, its not like Watson was running away with the tournament, so therefore, the easy conditions did play into the other player's hands as well. The games of most pros today are taylored towards the power games. That's why the British Open is such a great test every year because guys have to go away from their usual gameplan. The British Open plays great for a guy who has the control/finesse game like Watson, hence the reason he won 5 British Opens. Like I said before, Watson ran into a perfect storm of great weather and a tournament that plays to his strengths. Add the fact that he played great and you have an old timer with an artificial hip contending for a major. As incredible of a feat as it was, its not hard to see how it happened.
Watson was a great player, and he obviously has some good shots left in him. No one is denying that. However, the British Open was a fluke occurence, not some sort of major proof in the argument of Jack vs. Tiger.
I've said before and I'll say again, you can't compare golfers from different generations to determine a greatest ever title.
And for that matter, why is it that major titles seem to be the measuring stick everyone wants to use? What about counting missed cuts? What about total tournament wins or win streaks? You could make any argument you want if you just find the right numbers. However, the only thing you can really compare is how dominant a player is over his competition.
I've said before and I'll say again, you can't compare golfers from different generations to determine a greatest ever title.
And for that matter, why is it that major titles seem to be the measuring stick everyone wants to use? What about counting missed cuts? What about total tournament wins or win streaks? You could make any argument you want if you just find the right numbers. However, the only thing you can really compare is how dominant a player is over his competition.
you wouldn't know a fact if it butt-17'ed you.
The fact that watson played 3 1/2 days of great golf for probably the last time in his life has nothing to do with anything. There is never any way to compare players from different eras. Who is better, Tyson or Ali? Answer: Who cares? They will never fight each other, so we'll never know. Move on.
The fact that watson played 3 1/2 days of great golf for probably the last time in his life has nothing to do with anything. There is never any way to compare players from different eras. Who is better, Tyson or Ali? Answer: Who cares? They will never fight each other, so we'll never know. Move on.
Have you ever thought that maybe the reason the people that are paired with Tiger on the final day choke because they know they have to play their best, and with that comes a lot of pressure. Tiger is very intimidating. Some people just can't handle the pressure knowing they can't make many mistakes if any.Coach34 said: