I think we have to give the stoops/gran combination 3-4 years starting this year. We have two coaches who excelled at powerhouse programs on their respective sides of the ball. This is also the first year that stoops has had all "his guys" playing key roles. We are talking about Kentucky football here, running coaches off after 3 or 4 years is not going to get us anywhere but back in the cellar and in rebuilding mode. All the hot seat talk is garbage and needs to stop imo. Thoughts?
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So you actually think there is a coach out there that could come to Kentucky and turn it all around with jokers players and a Harry Potter fan playin qb? You're out of your mind. Let's judge him off the next couple years is all I'm saying
I think we should swing from the fences. This is from a UK Football fan since the 50s. I would simply hire Art Briles. I would be the first to say an edgy move but at some point we have to do something to get us off the snide. No one wants CMS to have a great night Saturday more than me but I just dont know at this point.
Briles has proven he can do system football and score by the gazillions. I know the issues at Baylor but I think UK has the personnel in place to insure he runs a clean program.
Briles has proven he can do system football and score by the gazillions. I know the issues at Baylor but I think UK has the personnel in place to insure he runs a clean program.
97% if the team is his player with one of the joker ones being Jon Toth a player we desperately need to stay healthy. 4 years is more than enough time to prove himself. Actually we can judge the man based on last year in all honesty. He did a very piss poor job last season no denying that. Never seen such cluelessness on the sidelines my entire life. Yea joker had abunch of trash talent but that we sucked because of talent then. Now we suck because the man is just way in over his head. Never seen so many mind numbing decisions my entire life. Example last season's Vandy game. That was the worst coached game I've ever seen.
Let's also not forget that he refuses to make adjustments against read option offenses and continues to allow himself to get burnt by the read option. I haven't seen a single in game adjustment since he's been here. Where things weren't working and we try switching things up. As far as halftime coaching and 2nd half performances go I'm not sure I've ever seen worse in that department.
Actually you couldn't be more wrong. You have to have solid players 2 deep at every position to win in football. Talent prevails more often than not in the sport. This is the first year he's had decent talent on the first and second strings. And I think having gran/hinshaw will help with the decision making tremendously.
Yes. We could've got Bonby Petrino. We could've got Mike Leech (my choice). Both of these coaches coach circles around stoops. Petrino does it every season. He makes stoops look like a damn fool every year. And the funny part is it doesn't matter which team he is coaching. He can be coaching at WKU and still coach circles around stoops. There are so many better options that we could get that are better than stoops that it's not even funny. If an unproven head coach/former coordinator who has so far looked like the most clueless of coaches is our best option then we might as well do away with the football program. If stoops is really the best option we had/have then that's just really pathetic to be honest.
Signed Rich Brooks a man who won with way less touted players than the ones on last years and this years roster. Brooks won in a way more difficult SEC East with a ton of 2 star players. It's called finding players that fit the system and developing them, stoops has not proven a damn thing as far as player development goes. I bet if players like Baker played for Brooks they would already be All SEC.
If he were to lose this game Saturday he's on thin ice period.
He couldn't have imagined when he fired Dawson that Dawson would wind up being the offensive coordinator of his first opponent.
He couldn't have imagined when he fired Dawson that Dawson would wind up being the offensive coordinator of his first opponent.
All I know is. If stoops loses to USM and that garbage OC (more proof of his terrible decision making) he hired. Then he'll have lost a lot of the fanbase. Screw 3-4 years from now. USM has a new OC too. One stoops just fired. So what's the excuse if that happens? If he beats us then the wheels will have officially fallen off.
And after we win Saturday with a good QB under center for the first time in a long time I'm sure you'll still find a reason to hate..
Fans will not wait another 4 years. After 6 losing seasons in a row, another 4 seasons and the stands will be empty.
All the Joker excuses are gone. It's time to look and play like a SEC team. Regardless of their record at the end of the season.
The problem with your argument is that talent is what we will be short of if we give him the time you are requesting. Starting this year each year that we don't go to a bowl our recruiting will decline. It will decline more each year. 3 years from now if we haven't been winning games then we will be much weaker and have a lot less talent and depth than we do now.
When you are hired as a head coach you don't get a decade before you start getting evaluated just because you think that's fair. You start getting evaluated on game one. Nobody in their right mind expected a bowl game in year one but the evaluation most certainly did start then. From this point we are not making up ground with recruiting, in fact we really aren't even treading water. The initial surge of talent he got from the first two classes are now starting to be seniors and juniors. Once the Booms and Jojos graduate and we aren't getting similar players exactly where do you think we will be in 4 years?
He has to win this year to justify another season. Wanting to give Stoops more time just because you want him to have more time just isn't how it works.
No one gets 7-8 years to prove themselves any longer. That's just not reality in today's college football world. I'm not saying that it wouldn't be the "smart" move, but after a while, the pressure to win becomes too intense and an AD is forced to make a change.
The gaslighting on this board is staggering.
I was told early on that Stoops needed THREE YEARS to turn this thing around.
Last year, at the end of SEASON THREE, I was told he needed his SENIOR CLASS to turn this thing around.
Now it's SEASON FOUR of the Stoops era, and the ball HASN'T EVEN BEEN SNAPPED YET, and now I'm being told Stoops needs THREE TO FOUR MORE YEARS to turn this thing around. Seems like many of you aren't confident in Stoops' ability to turn this thing around. Why would you keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect a different result?
Last season I started making sarcastic joke posts saying it takes 7-10 years to turn an SEC program around (despite hard evidence at numerous SEC schools that it can be done in LESS THAN THREE years), and you people are making my parody posts look like Nostradamus.
Do you people hear yourselves? Snap out of it!
I was told early on that Stoops needed THREE YEARS to turn this thing around.
Last year, at the end of SEASON THREE, I was told he needed his SENIOR CLASS to turn this thing around.
Now it's SEASON FOUR of the Stoops era, and the ball HASN'T EVEN BEEN SNAPPED YET, and now I'm being told Stoops needs THREE TO FOUR MORE YEARS to turn this thing around. Seems like many of you aren't confident in Stoops' ability to turn this thing around. Why would you keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect a different result?
Last season I started making sarcastic joke posts saying it takes 7-10 years to turn an SEC program around (despite hard evidence at numerous SEC schools that it can be done in LESS THAN THREE years), and you people are making my parody posts look like Nostradamus.
Do you people hear yourselves? Snap out of it!
From your posts you seem to want to give the impression that YOU know something about football and coaching. How about a brief resume of your experience in both to validate that you're not just a hater who knows nothing of either subject.
You're kind of fascinating in your obsessive behavior of someone who has to be heard yet has nothing of value to say.
Why would you keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect a different result?Staff changes have been made, so that's not the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. That would be more like canning a coach every three to four years because they didn't produce the fans desire results quick enough.
Another post about SEC schools with sustained success in less than three years...please provide those so we can compare them to UK.
Sorry you were unable to expand the post and read the bold questions and comments, I apologize.
Saturday will be a 20 point blowout and everyone talking negative and scared of Southern Miss will start saying "Southern Miss wasn't a good team at all so that win means nothing."
Can never satisfy that group.
Can never satisfy that group.
Apology accepted for your inability to learn rudimentary posting mechanics.
When was the last time we ever had that - or better when will the first time be?
I hope for this year and look to next year. He will have an entire team of his players, strong upperclassmen, and really start building the RS base. Next year could\should be the year we have all longed for.
3-4 more years is silly. There's no respectable power 5 program that would give their coach that long of a pass. Hell, there's a good chance gran wouldn't even be the OC anymore by the time we got to that point
It comes down to this year and next. Period.
It comes down to this year and next. Period.
See how Oregon was built. Would we like that type of success? What program blue print would you follow?
Saturday is an extremely important game for Stoops. One can almost say it is all riding on the outcome of that game. Win it and we take a baby step forward, lose it and a huge portion of the fan base throws in the towel. Like it or not there is a portion of the fan base that is looking for a reason to run Stoops out of town.
Currently our program is ranked number 3 in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. the last time we played Eastern Kentucky we lucked out a victory. WKU owns us. Against Vanderbilt our coaching staff looked like they should be coaching 6 year old kids. It was a pathetic display of coaching.
This has to be the year we see a huge improvement and turn around. If not our stadium will empty. We are having a hard time filling it now and that is a shame considering we are an SEC team and a state with no competition from pro sport teams. So the pressure is on Stoops and his staff. We should know by halftime where we are headed.
Currently our program is ranked number 3 in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. the last time we played Eastern Kentucky we lucked out a victory. WKU owns us. Against Vanderbilt our coaching staff looked like they should be coaching 6 year old kids. It was a pathetic display of coaching.
This has to be the year we see a huge improvement and turn around. If not our stadium will empty. We are having a hard time filling it now and that is a shame considering we are an SEC team and a state with no competition from pro sport teams. So the pressure is on Stoops and his staff. We should know by halftime where we are headed.
If Gran makes that much of a difference, then maybe he should be the head coach.
would I trade 14 years of mediocrity followed by 2 good seasons for a better coach who could obtain success much faster? Um, duh.
What program blueprint would I follow? How about louisvilles? Or how about the one that got stoops hired here in the first place?
I'm not sure what you're even complaining about. You said almost the same thing as me right before me.
If we run him out after this year, no chance. Might actually have it next year or the year after if we are patient.
Was talking to that iguodollahatesonuk character
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Louisville? No thank you. I want success, but I don't want it at the expense of drug dealers, rapists, and an unethical dirt bag for a coach.
Who would obtain success much faster and how? That's the thing I disagree with when it comes to those that complain about the state of the program. There is a reason coachs aren't lining up for this job when it becomes available. We can wish, we can want, but that isn't gonna bring in some hot shot coach with a proven track record.
Yes, we would all trade the 14 for 2. However that 14 for 2 isn't realistic, and most know that. If it had/would happen it would be a dream come true, but that's highly unlikely based on history, location, conference affiliation.
Brooks had success here with less, yes. He also talked a lot about building a foundation and that it takes time. All his work was undone by barney and joker. Stoops inherited a dumpster fire, it's not like he got what Brooks left behind. With UK football history being what it is, he may have well just walked into a program on probation.
Or maybe the head coach should be applauded for getting the guy he wanted, and doing what a head coach is supposed to do.
Jesus, obviously I'm not talking about drugs and rapists. I'm talking about how long you give a coach to determine whether it's time to go in a different direction. They gave kragthorpe 3 years, saw it wasn't jiving, and moved to Strong. How'd that work out for them? "Would we like that kind of success?"
When the job came open 3 years ago, Stoops reached out to Barnhart- not the other way around. Not to mention, Petrino was absolutely interested in the job as well. So I completely disagree with the idea that, coming off a massive facilities upgrade with decent talent still on the roster, we couldn't attract a top coordinator from a strong program.
I don't disagree that stoops walked into a dumpster fire. He deserved a long leash. But 5 years is PLENTY long enough. If we beat every team this season that had a losing record last year plus southern miss, we'd be bowling- No ones asking for miracles here. We don't need 7 years.
It didn't take James Franklin 7 years to win at Candy. It didn't take Lou Holtz seven years to win at South Carolina. It didn't take Spurrier seven years to win bigger than holtz did. It took Urban Meyer two years to win a national championship at Florida. It took A-hole Bobby Petrino to land in the sugar bowl at Arkansas in year 3. It took Malzahn two years to get to the national championship game. Should I go on?
It doesn't matter. Six months from now the Stoops/Barney sycophants will have to be told the same list again. They have no memory of lessons they should have learned. They don't think, they just swallow the Kool Aid.
This may be hard but it is correct. Coaches are now paid hedge fund manager type salaries. Fair or not, they are expected to win sooner rather than later. And year 4 is not too early a point to decide whether or not a program is "trending" in the right direction
I can cut Stoops some slack up to this point. He was a rookie HC at a historically mediocre program that competes in the nation's toughest football league. It is not uncommon for rookie HCs in high profile programs to "struggle" early so some of the responsibility for Stoop's record to date rests with the man who selected him for the job.
True, he "has to win this year to justify another season". But his overly generous contract extension and buyout all but guarantees a 5th season regardless. JMO
Peace
I haven't given up on Stoops, and I acknowledge that he inherited a mess. But, we have to demand more as a fanbase.
Probably agree on all fronts. My disappointment has been in his coaching acumen. Some gameday blunders (calling a TO before a punt against Auburn???) are forgivable b/c he's a first-time head coach, but I've been really disappointed that our Defense has been so mediocre given that he was supposed to be a top-notch D-coordinator.
There will always be people moving the goalposts. First it was, "CMS needs three years." Then it was, "CMS needs a class of seniors." Now it's "CMS needs seven years."
It will never end for the Kool Aid drinkers.
Somebody's got to say out loud that the emperor has no clothes.