That's what everybody said last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, AND in Joker's THIRD year...
Rinse, repeat.
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Rinse, repeat.
So USC Jr. and Vandy going from bad to bowl games in 3 years of new coaches .....that wasnt the SEC?
Year 4 was when Rich Brooks got us to a bowl game and that was with less talent than we have now.
Year 4 was when Rich Brooks got us to a bowl game and that was with less talent than we have now.
Petrino, really? So you are willing to trade morals and ethics for wins or am I wrong? Nothing has ever been said good about the man anywhere he has been, other than a great offensive mind.
You keep harping on recruiting, well where do his classes stack up in his collegiate coaching career? What he is good at is taking cast-aways, guys with criminal records and drug problems and giving them a "second chance". His classes never rank above 30 in the country (could be wrong), and that's not an improvement. He can't/hasn't won and ACC title, but you think he an win big in the SEC?
I have to say I do understand your disdain for Mark Stoops a lot better now. Petrino...
Until Kentucky gets the studs up front and particularly on the defensive line, we aren't going to make significant strides in the SEC.This year will be the same as all the years before, however if the defensive line can just hold its own, I think we improve. If we get significant injuries on the defensive side, its going to be a very long year. Hoping that you can out score your opponents normally doesn't work in the SEC. If we crap out again on defense this year, get rid of Elliot and go for Mason at Vanderbilt, he's done after this year.
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result...which is exactly what we would be doing by firing a coach after four/five years.
Now you're changing the subject. This isn't about the character of the coach. It's about finding a quality coach. There were others available at that time as well, Malzahn being one of them. Barney crapped the bed.
Don't put me in the position of having to defend Petrino's sordid affairs. This has nothing to do with that. The only thing that matters is that he routinely and almost without exception beats us down, no matter who he's coaching.
Why don't you take a turn. Tell me who we should have hired instead of Stoops. Then I can pick your answer apart like you're doing with mine. See how you like having to defend your statements.
Ray was not a rookie head coach. He had several years of experience at John Carroll. That's hardly the big leagues, but that's still head coaching experience.
I'll gladly defend anything I say, and am more than willing to admit when I'm wrong. I didn't change the subject, you answered my question (thank you for that), and I gave my response. It's about finding a "quality coach", so the off the field stuff and the guys he puts on the field don't matter?
How do you know Malzahn would have accepted the job? Bill Parcells, Steve Spurrier, etc..the list is endless of guys who have turned the job down. In the coaching community UK is known as a career killer and dead end job for an experienced head coach. I've heard and read several people describe it as such, and as of now it is, and THAT is why no "big time" coach is crazy enough to step into it.
Stoops was the perfect hire at the time, and time will tell if that holds true. He has name recognition, has been successful everywhere he has been D.C. and position coach, and I've yet to hear a negative thing about the man. He is well respected, and has many good connections that can help when they are available.
There are still people in the world with integrity, for example Eddie Gran. We could have had him last year, but he made a commitment and stuck with it.
From where we were the year before Stoops got here to where we are now...improvement can't be denied. It's not quick, it's not pretty, but it's a process. So unless you have D1 coaching experience, or AD experience, I will continue to listen to the experts on what makes a program, how to build a program (the right way), and maintain a program.
Don't know if you got the memo, but contract aren't worth the paper they are printed on, just research the coaching carousel that happens every single year.
Better to have a MAN that honors commitment, than a boy who runs from them (Petrino).
if you want to honor contracts... then I guess you were upset when Joker was fired.
It's pointless even talking about contracts is my point.
What makes it even more crazy is mentioning contracts, and being a Patrino fan.
What makes it even more crazy is mentioning contracts, and being a Patrino fan.
You want Art Briles? You think in your most coaching fantasy Mitch would hire Art Briles? You think UK would allow the man onto campus. Your comments smack of a madness of a hugely desperate fan.
How are you going to accomplish that? You have some talented kids ???
I always thought coaches recruited talented players to work with.
Andre, your spot-on! We lost a couple of games last year because Stoops was micro-managing the team. He had zero confidence in his OC, and that was very obvious. I don't know if Dawson was as bad as most of us thought, or it was Stoops trying to tell him how to run the offense. He now has the coaches he wants, so hopefully he will let them do their job.
With this being said, I still think a coach has to have 5 years before you think about firing them, as long as everything else is falling in place, recruiting, etc.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
Only a total moron thinks UK football was going to be turned around overnight. Stoops inherited maybe the worst roster in UK history. What an incredibly stupid take.
Difficult to say more time unless some things change big this season. Biggest one is players acting like they know fundamentals and effort.
Only a moron would think it'd turn around quick?
Know for a fact the staff thought they'd win 9 last year. Guess they're morons too.
Before anyone starts in. This was told to an in-state recruits parents. They really thought they'd win 9.
Actually could've without a couple of blunders. Could've had 8 at least.
Know for a fact the staff thought they'd win 9 last year. Guess they're morons too.
Before anyone starts in. This was told to an in-state recruits parents. They really thought they'd win 9.
Actually could've without a couple of blunders. Could've had 8 at least.
Thanks for the correction. I NEVER knew that. I see he had 2 undefeated seasons there before moving up to ND.
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My biggest concern is that going into year four with the recruiting we've had, people still have a concern about a So Miss school we're playing at home.
Does anyone doubt we have way more talent from top to bottom than the team we're playing tomorrow? So if we play like we did against EKU and a few others last year, then where does the fault lie?
I'm personally going to take the approach of just letting it play itself out. How we look on the field tomorrow is going to say a lot about the future and capability of this staff.
Does anyone doubt we have way more talent from top to bottom than the team we're playing tomorrow? So if we play like we did against EKU and a few others last year, then where does the fault lie?
I'm personally going to take the approach of just letting it play itself out. How we look on the field tomorrow is going to say a lot about the future and capability of this staff.
So your logic is that we'll never get a better coach than Stoops because the program sucks so bad, no good coach would ever want it.
Got it.
So you have no solution.
The first part isn't exactly true. The final Joker team destroyed Kent State which won the MAC. Kent State even went unbeaten in the MAC. Don't get me wrong I was one of the first critics of Joker. I was criticizing him back when everyone on this board thought he was recruiting at a level we've never seen. However there has been a lot of exaggeration of how bad the program was when Stoops got here. Some of the best players Stoops has coached were Joker holdovers. Dupree, Forrest, Avery, etc. Joker was a train wreck to be sure but make no mistake about it we were far better than mid level MAC team. We would have gone unbeaten in the MAC in reality.
I understand trying to lower expectations to set an easier bar for Stoops by saying we were mid level MAC is jumping the shark quite a bit.
Totally agree. No way Briles ever gets considered here. Someone will hire him but not UK. Even if you can prove he was totally not involved, which would be hard, the optics alone would keep him out of here.
Petrino - not a fan of his - HAS won big in the SEC. And quite frankly, one of the most notable near misses in college football history is Petrino's 2011 Razorback team . Had they been able to beat LSU in their final regular season game, the Razorbacks would have gone to the SEC championship game vs. Georgia, likely beat them and gone on the play for the national title against Alabama.
Instead, the only two teams Petrino lost to that year, the two that kept him out of the SEC championship game, just happened to be the two teams playing for the national title in January: Alabama and LSU.
That's right, but just like Petrino, Briles has too much baggage! I didn't think I would ever, ever say this, but Briles has just as much baggage as Petrino, and he did it at Baylor of all places! I don't know if many of you know this, but Baylor is a Southern Baptist university (largest Southern Baptist university in the nation)! How much of a safety net against running a dirty program do you want! He just snubbed his nose at the ideology and standards that represent Baylor! Good school with high standards and for him to do what he did is unconscionable! I hate "the win at all cost" mantra! That's why I have lost of a lot of respect for Tom Jurich! He will stop at nothing to simply win games! That's not real winning! That's winning followed by an asterisk(*).
Think of all the coaching changes and hires since he has been here. To me, that is the biggest red flag......his decision making overall. The voluntary and involuntary turnover keeps the program from having consistency. He keeps shifting the blame or desperately trying to make changes to try and make things better.
A confident coach makes the right decision on personnel from the beginning, works a steady plan and improves. Stoops is the complete opposite of that and not the sign of a good leader. I do like the fact that he is willing to make changes and try to correct. That is a good sign in many respects.
Still, it just seems that Stoops is constantly experimenting and not sure of his own vision, schemes on Defense or Offense. That is my concern.
A confident coach makes the right decision on personnel from the beginning, works a steady plan and improves. Stoops is the complete opposite of that and not the sign of a good leader. I do like the fact that he is willing to make changes and try to correct. That is a good sign in many respects.
Still, it just seems that Stoops is constantly experimenting and not sure of his own vision, schemes on Defense or Offense. That is my concern.
Stoops won't be at UK forever, everyone can agree with that.
No, my logic is give the guy time to build and then make a decision.
How many coach's have been pounding on UK's door to take the job?
Parcell backed out, Spurrier said no, Butch Jones said no...I'm sure there are other "good coach's" that have said no that the public isn't aware of.
It's no secret that the UK football program isn't an attractive job and never has been. It has to be built to make it attractive. Stoops is building it, and if he builds it enough you will get the big names you want, but you will also have to acknowledge that Stoops left the program in much better shape than what he got it in, and made it possible for better coaches to come here. Unless your hate for him is so deep that you won't give him credit for anything.
People are talking as if it's mid season. Shut up a minute and watch some effing football first. Geez
I agree with this post. It was fair to give him four years. And this is year four. The threshold for making a bowl isn't very high and it's time for Stoops to reach it.
Too early in the season for this kind of talk, are we already anticipating the type of disappointing season that is going to bring the fan base out demanding for a change?
If that's the case, then that speaks volumes.
So instead of the microwave society we should be more like the crock pot society.
Stoops ain't going nowhere soon. To big of a buyout and too long of a contract. I just want to see improvement and signs we are headed in the right direction. I don't expect us to be an overnight sensation. But this team needs to show that it's coached well and developing.
He doesn't get to a bowl by next year he should be gone, period. Five years is longer than he should have had based on how we've looked so far. I also agree that the people who already want him fired are silly and just wasting their breath. A coach should get 3-4 years at least, especially with the disadvantages you are dealing with in our situation. With his extension we'd have to have a 2-3 win season to get rid of him before next season.