If we finish the year 1-5, will Mullen get canned?
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No. But if he finishes below .500 this year and wins less than 7 next year, his *** should be gone. Any coach worth a **** will win 7 or 8 games minimum with next year's schedule and talent.
And yes, i DO mean that even with 6 wins next year he should get fired. Even though that isn't the Misipi Tate way. Many will argue that we should allow him to tank us for a few years before making a move as long as we are beating the SWAC teams. I don't think we should let the cupboard get bare.
then again, hopefully the cocky bastard will find a way to win 6 this year, 8 or 9 next year, and get this mother17er back rolling the way we need it to.
And yes, i DO mean that even with 6 wins next year he should get fired. Even though that isn't the Misipi Tate way. Many will argue that we should allow him to tank us for a few years before making a move as long as we are beating the SWAC teams. I don't think we should let the cupboard get bare.
then again, hopefully the cocky bastard will find a way to win 6 this year, 8 or 9 next year, and get this mother17er back rolling the way we need it to.
Absolutely no reason at all Mullen should be fired this year. If we continue to struggle, he should be challenged to respond by making changes he (along with the administration) sees fit, though. If he doesn't respond and we fail to meet expectations next year, then I think firing should be a strong consideration.
I've seen Pee-Wee football coaches make better in game decisions. In what year will we stop looking the other way for Mullen's sideline stupidity? Serious question.
I agree with you that his in game coaching has not improved. However, he could find a way to pull 6 wins out of his *** this season, and that would be a major coaching achievement considering where we are right now. So until we see the results of this season, I think talk of firing him is premature. But like I said, go 5-7 or worse this year, and then 6-6 next year....see ya, hunch
We aren't likely to see 6-6 this year. 5-7 isn't even likely. So, win fewer than 7 games next year and DM needs to be gone. But, I think Dan saved his job for another year with impressive 1 point strategic masterpiece over Bowling Green last Saturday. 4-8 this year. Needs to be 8-4 in 2014.
No, nor should he be fired yet. But as others said, anything worse than 6-6 with next year's schedule should be enough.
At this point in his tenure, and considering out pansy OOC scheduling, we should be 8-4, even 9-3, on a regular basis. That should be our norm with a $3M coach. And we should have 10-2 on occasion.
At this point in his tenure, and considering out pansy OOC scheduling, we should be 8-4, even 9-3, on a regular basis. That should be our norm with a $3M coach. And we should have 10-2 on occasion.
I feel that the "coaching changes" excuse should have gone out the window after last season. Our major problems could not become any more obvious than they were made in 5 of the final 6 games. It shouldn't buy him any leeway at this point.
I'm with cadaver on this. We should not allow another coach to totally crash our program before making changes. I'm not saying Mullen is headed that direction at this point, just commenting on the overall state of our programs -- and how we continually shoot ourselves in the foot and extend rebuilds by keeping coaches 1+ years too long. Croom was the exception -- and it worked out the best of any recent coaching change...
Where would our basketball program be had Stans been out one year sooner -- where an incoming coach inherited all that talent on his first team? I don't even want to discuss baseball...
If we lose 2 out of 3 of Kentucky at home, Arkansas in a rebuilding effort, and Ole Miss at home, then it's the beginning of the end. We likely won't and shouldn't fire him, but realistically it'd be delaying the inevitable. We're in Year 5, we are supposed to be able to beat terrible SEC teams in Year 1 of their rebuilding efforts. And we also should expect to beat Ole Miss at home.
4-8 this year and there would be a lot of lost confidence in Mullen. Highly doubt that happens though, we'll go 5-7 and likely 6-6.
4-8 this year and there would be a lot of lost confidence in Mullen. Highly doubt that happens though, we'll go 5-7 and likely 6-6.
^^^^ This ^^^^ But he's terminable solely on 2011 and 2012. Let me tell you right now that he's no longer holding any aces behind that poker face. He had his chance this year to solidify State's spot as a mid-tier program. Plus, he has failed to prove that he is a mid-tier SEC X's and O's coach.
Well over a majority of posters on this board and other MSU supporters stated that if we went 6-6 this year, it would be considered about right. Auburn loss hurt like hell. We should have won that game, we all know it, and had we won it, there probably wouldn't be any bitching like we're seeing now. No, he shouldn't and won't be terminated this year barring a total meltdown in the rest of the games or some kind of off the field scandal, which is highly doubtful.
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WE wouldnt fire mullen, but most sec teams would pull the trigger on a coach that went 1-5 of the last 6 two years in a row. our tolerance for the unacceptable is much higher than all but a few sec counterparts, which is part of our problem. we make excuses for coaches in instances where the writing is on the wall. we will delay the inevitable until the end of the 2015 season, in which case, our window of opportunity will have shrunk considerably. we will make excuses and allow one of the worst sec coaches to hang around longer than we should have....its kinda our thing.
Well one thing is for sure, we can't allow our program to tank again in the modern era like we used to do. Most people don't realize that if we go through another 2001-2008 visit to the abyss, it's all over for football, forever!
I agree with you to an extent... last year's meltdown was almost inexcusable and we have not seemed to rebound really since Auburn in '11. HOWEVER, to give credit where credit is due, Mullen has NOT fallen below "failing to meet expectations" at this point YET. Stansbury did (Stansbury's expectations were to go to the NCAAT... a very late season implosion sealed that fate)... but Stansbury was also offered incentive to leave (resign). I honestly believe if he had wanted to coach another year, he could have. I'm not ready to condemn Mullen, but what else can he do to right the ship in the eyes of the fanbase but make coaching changes after this year?
I'll be honest, this is a very tough position. You really can't throw Mullen to the wolves yet, because he is meeting expectations, but in no way, shape, or fashion exceeding them. However, just like you said, keeping him around one year too long could put us behind the 8 ball and in a very bad position from a coaching and recruiting perspective. So what's the call?
I'll be honest, this is a very tough position. You really can't throw Mullen to the wolves yet, because he is meeting expectations, but in no way, shape, or fashion exceeding them. However, just like you said, keeping him around one year too long could put us behind the 8 ball and in a very bad position from a coaching and recruiting perspective. So what's the call?
I can tell you at this point, based on what I've heard from people that normally know, Mullen needs to do SOMETHING to exceed expectations. He's been below them for awhile in the manner in which he's losing games -- which are generally MUCH worse than they were in the first 3 years. "Barely meeting expectations" = people with power having an itchy trigger finger scared that we are going to miss our window of opportunity with Hud. Hud has friends in high places. That's hanging over Mullen's shoulder whether he acknowledges it or not. The concerning part is that it doesn't appear to be lighting a fire under him at this point...
You're trying way too hard to make that correlation in my opinion. Just because people can see the product on the field not improving, doesn't have **** to do with Ole miss. Why can't a state fan just want to see the effort the coach promised, and then get pissed when it isn't being delivered? Again, not saying Mullen can't turn it around, but trying to turn frustration with Mullen into something to do with ole miss is dumb. We're staring our first losing season in a while right in the eyes...people are going to be questioning things when that happens, regardless of what OM is doing. It's human nature.
5-7 not likely? Arkansas is very bad. Their best win is over ULL and have been blown out in 2 of their 3 conference games.
Ole Miss hasn't beaten us at our house since they had a future #1 draft pick Super Bowl MVP quarterback in 2003.
We will beat Kentucky.
I also say we have a shot at Carolina. We're sandwiched between Mizzou and Florida for them and those 2 games will decide the east, and they've had some close calls against Kentucky and UCF.
And honestly? Texas A&M is one injury away from being an average to above average football team with a below average defense.
5-7 isn't given but we sure as hell have a good shot at winning 2 of our remaining games.
Ole Miss hasn't beaten us at our house since they had a future #1 draft pick Super Bowl MVP quarterback in 2003.
We will beat Kentucky.
I also say we have a shot at Carolina. We're sandwiched between Mizzou and Florida for them and those 2 games will decide the east, and they've had some close calls against Kentucky and UCF.
And honestly? Texas A&M is one injury away from being an average to above average football team with a below average defense.
5-7 isn't given but we sure as hell have a good shot at winning 2 of our remaining games.
I don't call last year a meltdown. We looked mostly crappy all year. We just happened to win the first 7.
You are a naive if you believe that Ole Miss recent success doesn't have a little bit to do with people being upset with Mullen. People point to us getting absolutely blown out by Alabama, LSU, and A&M last year (Bama and LSU on the road). Those teams destroyed everyone, except Ole Miss played them tough. How does getting blown out by 3 of the top 5 teams in the nation say we are in a decline? And you are right, the SEC's worst program in history is staring at its first losing season in 4 years after having 9 of 10 before that. Did you seriously think we would never have a losing season again? Heck we still have a decent shot at finishing 6-6.
So basically through that rant my point is this. People are absolutely judging our team off of how Ole Miss has played. If Ole Miss had gotten killed by those three teams last year, then our fans would have accepted that that is just what happens to teams that play them (like every other team). But because Ole Miss played them close, it was unacceptable that Mullen did not.
I am disappointed with this season so far, but no one expected us to be world beaters with a brand new secondary and brand new receivers. But I'm also not blind to see the talent that Mullen has coming back next year which is absolutely a credit to him.
So basically through that rant my point is this. People are absolutely judging our team off of how Ole Miss has played. If Ole Miss had gotten killed by those three teams last year, then our fans would have accepted that that is just what happens to teams that play them (like every other team). But because Ole Miss played them close, it was unacceptable that Mullen did not.
I am disappointed with this season so far, but no one expected us to be world beaters with a brand new secondary and brand new receivers. But I'm also not blind to see the talent that Mullen has coming back next year which is absolutely a credit to him.
I still don't really consider last years team a collapse. Just a product of playing such a funky schedule. I feel like if we play AM in October, they still crush us.
I absolutely agree. I we spread out the A&M, LSU, and Bama games to say the 2nd 5th and 8th games, everyone would have viewed last year as a big success. But the fact we played those three back to back to back and got crushed made it look like the team had quit. Not the case, those teams are just better than everyone.
I'm of the opinion that any coach that can't seem to get his team to play hard for 60 minutes should be on the hot seat.
If we finish the year 1-5 again, and we don't fire Mullen, I will have absolutely NO faith in the leadership at MSU and the direction our programs are headed in (with the exception of baseball).
Seriously Smalls? 8-4 in 2012 is broken down into 7-0 vs. inferior talent. and 1-4 against equal or better talent. Everything was mismanaged. We didn't bother to show up for the bowl games in 2011 or 2012.
But what did TSUN have to do with State going 7-6 in 2011? TSUN had a 7-6 record in 2012 and will probably have the same this year.
Obviously you were not at the TAMU game last year.
OK, like I have said, why are you judging our season last year using the games against LSU, Alabama, and Texas A&M? We got beat on the road to Bama and LSU (a game where we were down two scores and inside their redzone in the last 5 minutes, a pick six at the end made that game look a lot worse than it was). And you're dang right I was at the TAMU game. I saw arguably the best college football player ever dominate us, just like he did to every other team he played (including Bama). Using those three games as evidence Mullen is terrible is absolutely comical. So other than those 3 against much much better talent, according to you we were 1-1 against equal talent, and 7-0 against lesser talent. I would call that a pretty successful year. How was everything mismanaged when we beat every team we were supposed to and split with the 2 teams we had equal talent against?
What did TSUN have to do with State in 2011? Nothing. And no one was calling for Mullen's head in 2011.
What did TSUN have to do with State in 2011? Nothing. And no one was calling for Mullen's head in 2011.