We should just stop playing football. How the hell can an alleged SEC program not keep a good coach for more than 1 year? 17.
If we lose Diaz after only 1 season.....
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We should just stop playing football. How the hell can an alleged SEC program not keep a good coach for more than 1 year? 17.
but I find it much more surprising that Texas wants Manny after one year in the SEC than the fact that we can't compete salary-wise with Texas.
If the rumors are true about low-balling the raises, it doesn't really change Texas or a few others' ability to cherry-pick. If Texas wants him, they can double whatever we offer and not even feel it.
If the rumors are true about low-balling the raises, it doesn't really change Texas or a few others' ability to cherry-pick. If Texas wants him, they can double whatever we offer and not even feel it.
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That kind of turnover NEVER happens....unless we finally have a good year in football. We are Em State. ****.
Guys, we're still suffering from Croom. What do I mean? I mean that anyone that has success at Mississippi State is viewed as a miracle worker. Or a golden egg laying goose.
Diaz is Diaz. A pretty good DC. Nothing more. His defenses are not as good as Ellis Johnson's were. Nor were they as good as JLD's (even if JLD was a one-trick pony). Who was Sherrill's DC in the early 90s? He had damn good defenses then. Sure, I'd like to keep Diaz. But this isn't the end of the world. Good defense has rarely been a problem at MSU.
Unfortunately, we've got to win a few more years before winning at Mississippi State isn't so damn unconscionable. Until then, every coach we have is going to be viewed as an unbridled genius.
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That kind of turnover NEVER happens....unless we finally have a good year in football. We are Em State. ****.
Guys, we're still suffering from Croom. What do I mean? I mean that anyone that has success at Mississippi State is viewed as a miracle worker. Or a golden egg laying goose.
Diaz is Diaz. A pretty good DC. Nothing more. His defenses are not as good as Ellis Johnson's were. Nor were they as good as JLD's (even if JLD was a one-trick pony). Who was Sherrill's DC in the early 90s? He had damn good defenses then. Sure, I'd like to keep Diaz. But this isn't the end of the world. Good defense has rarely been a problem at MSU.
Unfortunately, we've got to win a few more years before winning at Mississippi State isn't so damn unconscionable. Until then, every coach we have is going to be viewed as an unbridled genius.
Seriously, this is freaking Texas we're talking about. It's arguably the best job in the country for a coordinator. I don't particularly like losing Diaz, but we're going to have a good defense next season with him or without him. This is just part of the price of success. Much better than back when nobody wanted to hire any of our coaches away from us.
And no one in their right mind will deny that we are incapable of outbidding them. But I also don't think it's irrational to believe an SEC program should be able to hang on to a top assistant for more than 1 year. And really, what has Manny proven in 1 season? Yes, we had a great D. But he also had a D that might have 3 players drafted on the first day in April in McPhee, White, and Wright. And Cox & Boyd are all-SEC players in the making. Charles Mitchell is all-SEC and will get a free agent NFL invite at worst. Nickoe Whitley is going to be phenomenal. Broomfield was freshman all-SEC. Ditto Jonathan Banks. It's not real hard to make a D with that many good players to look great.
if you want to become a head coach some day - where are you more than likely to land a head coaching job. Being DC at Mississippi State or DC at Texas?
They got the Jack. Don't know what the amount is now but in 2009 their Endowment was around 2.9 billion dollars. Plus they haven't payed coaches **** for ever and don't spend a lot a facilities but have been ranking in SEC money for years. They got it if they want to spend it.
listening to whining about Diaz leaving than I am listening to the hysteria about Mullen leaving. Looking for a new DC is much less disruptive to the program than looking for the next Crooms.
Manny has been here 1 year. Ellis was here multiple years and had time to get the players he wanted in position. Plus he had been a DC at a BCS school for several years prior. You can't base how good Manny is versus EJ after just one year.
anybody that could get that 2007 team to a bowl game off of nothing other than defensive play and scoring is worthy of something significant.
Having coaches hired away is definitely better than having to fire them. And on the upside, I actually trust Mullen to go out and hire another good DC. But damn, I'd hate to lose Manny.
I think he's one of the top young assistant coaches in the country (and I'm talking about at least in the top 5). If/when Mullen does eventually leave, I wouldn't mind at all if Diaz came back as head coach, assuming his career progresses like I think it will.
I've always said that being a stepping stone is way underrated. It looks like we may have been Diaz's stepping stone and it was a pretty good year for us. And like you, I have confidence that Mullen/Stricklin will make a good hire to replace him if he does indeed take the Texas job (he apparently didn't just immediately accept it so I'm still holding out some hope that he might stay).
I've always said that being a stepping stone is way underrated. It looks like we may have been Diaz's stepping stone and it was a pretty good year for us. And like you, I have confidence that Mullen/Stricklin will make a good hire to replace him if he does indeed take the Texas job (he apparently didn't just immediately accept it so I'm still holding out some hope that he might stay).
At least as far as Croomshurting our reputation goes. The reality is an average coach can have MSU in a bowl game consistently. May be rotating between the liberty and birmingham bowl, but still in a bowl.FlabLoser said:
As far as Diaz, I think Diaz is more than a pretty good coordinator. I've yet to see him get out coached in a second half and Idon't expect to have somebody equally as good next year. However, I do expect to get a good coordinator. I'd feel better if Mullen hadn't hired Torbush the first time, but I understand the logic of going with aDC that hadprior head coaching experience. All that said,although I hate having to potentially change schemesafter one year, I'd much ratherreplace a DC at MSU than an OC. Lots of DC's have proven you can have good D's at MSU and also turn a D around quickly.Not so easy to change offenses quickly.
I guess as successful as the defense was this year you probably have to at least give the "co-creator" a shot at running it if you have confidence in him.
I never understood the Manny Diaz worship.
His defense gave up numerous big plays in big games (Bama, UPig) & if not for the clock running out on theEgg Bowl, he couldn't even stop Masoli & the Bears in the late going.
I get Diaz was "sneaky" & "inventive."
But I also get he often had his players out of position & he took risks that the down & competition didn't dictate.
Manny Diaz is a prime example of a coach cashing in on one game: The 17-14 loss to Auburn. If Auburn had dropped 30 on Manny's defense, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
I could care less if he leaves. If his replacement plays a more conventional, assignment oriented defense, thenI'll actually feel relief.
That was by design. The idea was this defense would make a lot of negative plays what would more than offset the big plays they gave up. The problem that I have, and I said it there throughout the season, is....where are all the negative plays? Big Pern McPhee only had 1 sack all year.RonnyAtmosphere said:
This D got tough as teams got closer to our goal line. So it was a good scoring defense. Otherwise, it didn't look anything like what was advertised.
The aggressive style looked more of a liability than anything, as a simple lead off tackle run worked like a draw play. A second after the snap, most of our DL along with some blitzers, are behind the play.
I wasn't unhappy with Manny. I would have been glad to keep him. He had a goods scoring D and his handling of Denard Robinson was impressive.
But on the other hand, I think this is not a huge loss as long as we make a decent hire to replace him. Chris Wilson? I dunno....seems to make sense. I'll trust Mullen's judgment.