He is nothing more than a yes man for a few Big Donors. Welcome to the Cigar Boys v2.0. They let him make some of the little day to day decisions, but he has no real power when it comes to firing and hiring coaches. He couldn't even sniff Byrne's jock...
If what I am hearing is true, then Scott Stricklin = LT v2.0....
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He is nothing more than a yes man for a few Big Donors. Welcome to the Cigar Boys v2.0. They let him make some of the little day to day decisions, but he has no real power when it comes to firing and hiring coaches. He couldn't even sniff Byrne's jock...
This past month broke a lot of people. But you might be right if you said it 90% of the money versus 10% of the money.
I don't know how I feel about sending messages by boycotting, but I think an attendance like that will show Stricklin that we expect better than a 4 seed in the NIT, and I have no problem with that. Any fan that doesn't think we should have done better than that this year needs to get out. We have the facilities, the money, and the resources available to do better than that, and as fans we should expect to do better than that.When we are losing at large bids to teams like South Florida and Iona, it's time to changethe way we do things.
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I'm not sure how many of you know him personally, but if you did you would know that Scott has nothing but what is in the university's best interest in mind. It's true he might be listening to the big givers, but I know that he would definitely do what is best for the university (whether that is letting a coach go or keeping a coach here in order to keep bringing money in).
It is not 90 percent of the fan base but it is not 50 percent either
There is an incredibly large group of people who want him to remain ... those with the agenda have not been able to succeed yet
They are get closer
Almost all NIT games have not drawn well at MSU, so Tuesday night will be no exception ... somewhere around 3,000
There is an incredibly large group of people who want him to remain ... those with the agenda have not been able to succeed yet
They are get closer
Almost all NIT games have not drawn well at MSU, so Tuesday night will be no exception ... somewhere around 3,000
I've talked to a very small percentage, but the trend is evident that a majority of the fans want him gone.
Most folks don't come on this board and ***** and moan. Whether you like it or not Stans has more than 50% of the fans who want him to stay. That is not to say they don't want to see some changes, but that is a fact. I doubt 10% of the folks who constantly ***** on here give much money to the Bulldog Club or even buy tickets. Those fans who give are the people who any wise administrator will listen to. Blast away but it is what it is and a lot of those domors who are not cigar boys think Stans has made us relative in basketball. maybe not so much this year but in most years. Now, go vent some more.
By "this situation", I mean high expectation, utter disappointment and underachievement leading to a NIT big instead of a decent NCAA seed (the usual, basically)...LT wrote a sunshine-pumping email to the Bulldog Club congratulating the team for making the NIT.
You will not see grasshopper do that. Bank it.
You will not see grasshopper do that. Bank it.
First, as most of us are nothing more than fans of MSU athletics, we have the luxury of simplifying a situation like this to the point where all we care about is which option will win more basketball games. Scott can't always look at things like we do because he has an entire university athletic department to run. You call him a "yes man", but let me ask you something. Would you not at least be pondering another year for Stansbury if our donors said that they'd pull the plug on football stadium expansion money if you fired him? I'm not saying that this is what has happened because I don't have a clue, but I'm just saying that things aren't as cut and dry as we like to think.
Second, comparing the Stansbury situation to Croom's firing is just not fair either. We all know that football is the moneymaker in the SEC and if you look at what was happening from '06 to '08 financially, something had to be done. MSU foundation donations when from $78M in '06 to $51M by the end of '08. Since then, we were back up to $80M last year and my guess is that we're going to top that in 2012 in spite of the basketball performance. We may lose a few season tickets holders here and there, but it just doesn't matter as much. Especially, if you have cigar boys willing to pull the plug on major gifts if you make a move.
So all that is to say this... I think Stans should be gone, and I think the majority of MSU fans now think that too. However, Stricklin doesn't deserve to be bashed for taking the time to think things through from a comprehensive perspective. He's doing what we pay him to do.
Second, comparing the Stansbury situation to Croom's firing is just not fair either. We all know that football is the moneymaker in the SEC and if you look at what was happening from '06 to '08 financially, something had to be done. MSU foundation donations when from $78M in '06 to $51M by the end of '08. Since then, we were back up to $80M last year and my guess is that we're going to top that in 2012 in spite of the basketball performance. We may lose a few season tickets holders here and there, but it just doesn't matter as much. Especially, if you have cigar boys willing to pull the plug on major gifts if you make a move.
So all that is to say this... I think Stans should be gone, and I think the majority of MSU fans now think that too. However, Stricklin doesn't deserve to be bashed for taking the time to think things through from a comprehensive perspective. He's doing what we pay him to do.
To be honest I am not a big basketball fan. I like watching MSU but other then that I am not. I hope MSU wins and never pull against them and I never bet on them either. I love football. That's the sport I like and when it comes to baseball I am almost like basketball but I do care a little more about it. I really want to win at baseball and who coaches them matters.
happens with Stans but just looking at the team we are probably going to have back next year do you really want a new guy to have that for his first year? Would we be able to get a decent guywith our obvious expectations vs what would probably be achievable next year? Blast away if you want but I think that has to be considered.
This though process is why we "are MState". This, "well we aren't going to be any good, why fire the coach when no one else will come here" bs has to go. Ninja and Grasshopper have shown us another way. Hell, Scott spent time finding a good softball coach and we know that hardly anyone cared about that program. If he cared enough about softball, you can bet he will care about basketball. </p>
just because Stricklin won't fire him now makes him Templeton? As far as our athletic department is concerned we are in a much better situation now than when Templeton was here and Bryne did a lot of that, I agree. But to be fair, Bryne had two years to fire Rick and didn't pull the trigger. Yes, he brought Mullen and removed Polk to bring in Cohen. I agree that Rick should be gone but just because he isn't when you want him to is crazy. Yes, I also understand that recruiting becomes and issue but even with that in consideration we are still going to be behind the eight ball whenever he is fired.fishwater99 said:
and theyeventuallycame around buttherewere someshorttermramifications. Stricklin needs to do what's best and make a change but it doesn't have to be this week. I will give him timebeforeIcriticizehim, but if he doesn't cut Stans loose, then he will lose a lot of the respect that I have for him now. Like I mentioned earlier, my source keeps saying that Stans is out, so that's what I'm going with until I hear something different.
The fans that matter - the ones that actually go to the games - aren't pleased. I went to about half of our home games this year. I usually go alone, and enjoy a bit of the "people watching" aspect, but this time, let's call it "people listening," following crowds, or quietly lingering around exits. Just from that little sample, you have no idea how many fans - crossing all demographics - are sick of the coach. From college dudes to grown *** men, to high school girls, to blue haired old ladies.
If you think sixpackers are the only ones that want Stans gone, you must live in an IRL genespage.
If you think sixpackers are the only ones that want Stans gone, you must live in an IRL genespage.
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tickets and give too much money to MSU because I care about how the teams
perform.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;"> </span>Winning games equals more fun
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think that they don’t care winning and have some hidden agenda that will doom
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tickets and give too much money to MSU because I care about how the teams
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Can someone tell me why these "Cigar Boys" enjoy having a ****** BB coach?
Does Rick have photos of them?
Is "cigars" code for setting else?
Thanks
A Greatful Out of Stater
Does Rick have photos of them?
Is "cigars" code for setting else?
Thanks
A Greatful Out of Stater
I'm sure I live in some what of a bubble, but the every MSU fan I know that watches basketball either wants him gone this year or is on the fence. I don't know anybody that is content to continue on as is for several more years and find it hard to believe that the majority of state fans are.Paper Dog said:
our history is firing coaches right and left with no real though given to anything but getting rid of them. THAT is as much why we "are MState" as anything. Like I said I'm ok eitherwway here. If we are SMART we will test the wind on the new hire BEFORE we get rid of the current guy, esp this year. We don't want a Coach O or a Hugh Freeze panic hire.
already firedMiller, the 'national;y' acclaimedand recognized softball coach. Looks like he made a good hire.fishwater99 said:
Where is the evidence that he does not evaluate each and everyhead coach at the end of the year?Stans will meet with the AD after the season ... we will see what happens.