If you’re Brett Yormark, what is your next move?

[ThePunish-EER]

1.) Go after UA, ASU, Utah and stop at 16?

2.) Go after UA, ASU, Utah, UW, and Oregon and stop at 18?

3.) Offer UConn and stop at 14?

Or…think outside the box and go with something completely different?

Ideally, IMO, the Big 12 would grab Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Virginia Tech, Pitt and stop at 18. Naturally, that’s assuming FSU and Clemson bolt the ACC.

 

[eerdoc]

1.) Go after UA, ASU, Utah and stop at 16?

2.) Go after UA, ASU, Utah, UW, and Oregon and stop at 18?

3.) Offer UConn and stop at 14?

Or…think outside the box and go with something completely different?

Ideally, IMO, the Big 12 would grab Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Virginia Tech, Pitt and stop at 18. Naturally, that’s assuming FSU and Clemson bolt the ACC.

Most definitely do not want UCONN in as an all/sports addition. If Big 12 were to add a BB wing then we consider UCONN, Gonzaga, maybe others. Would be a poor decision, IMO, to add non-football schools and then split monies as if they were participated in ALL sports.
I would be hesitant to jump on VaT and PITT. Schedule them as OOC/rivalry games. Neither strikes me as a friend who would offer whole hearted support to us in time of real need. We have done much for them (VaT in particular) but have seen little in the way of appreciation. Allow them more freedom to make their own pathway by not supporting them for admission to the B12 conference. Same with CUSE and BC. I might even add Louisville, Georgia Tech, and the traditionally weak sisters of the ACC (DUKE and Wake Forest). Really hope no-one stoops to add ND. Would love to watch them squirm when recognizing that they have reached second rate status even in the face of their ultra arrogance.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Most definitely do not want UCONN in as an all/sports addition. If Big 12 were to add a BB wing then we consider UCONN, Gonzaga, maybe others. Would be a poor decision, IMO, to add non-football schools and then split monies as if they were Participated in ALL

Imo, adding basketball only schools is a nail in your own coffin as a P5 conference. Ex: Big East. It caused such a pissing match that it started this expansion nonsense to begin with in the early 2000’s.

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

Go after Arizona and wait until the ACC implodes and pick up two of the remaining schools. Pitt, NC State, Virginia Tech, and or Louisville.

 

[WVUBRU]

Oregon, Washington and Stanford are the three most attractive schools out west. Utah and Cal are right behind those three. I don't see how any ACC school being able to move anywhere anytime soon. That contract is pretty iron clad. I don't favor UConn. I would take Memphis before I would UConn.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Go after Arizona and wait until the ACC implodes and pick up two of the remaining schools. Pitt, NC State, Virginia Tech, and or Louisville.

I think that’s most likely what is gonna happen.

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

The ACC would / could implode if Clemson, FSU and Miami get an SEC invitation, UNC, UVA and Duke get a Big 10 invitation and two more get a Big 12 invitations. That would be 8 schools that could vote to dissolve the conference.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

The ACC would / could implode if Clemson, FSU and Miami get an SEC invitation, UNC, UVA and Duke get a Big 10 invitation and two more get a Big 12 invitations. That would be 8 schools that could vote to dissolve the conference.

In that case, we will probably see a merger of the remaining Pac12 and ACC schools

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

The NEW Conference USA

The leftover PAC members and ACC members. West division winner would play the east division winner in St. Louis for football title. Who knows how they could hold a conference basketball tournament.

 

[edenba]

1.) Go after UA, ASU, Utah and stop at 16?

2.) Go after UA, ASU, Utah, UW, and Oregon and stop at 18?

3.) Offer UConn and stop at 14?

Or…think outside the box and go with something completely different?

Ideally, IMO, the Big 12 would grab Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Virginia Tech, Pitt and stop at 18. Naturally, that’s assuming FSU and Clemson bolt the ACC.

Definite no to UCONN.

The ACC schools are off limits unless they find a way out of their grant of rights agreement with the ACC. My guess is that conference is a few years away from turbulence (absent someone finding a way out of their GOR).

In my opinion the current move is with the PAC 12 schools and the most logical are the four corner schools of Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah (in full disclosure I live in Utah so there is a bit of a vested interest) as they will not need to pay an exit fee. Oregon and Washington would be great, but I have to believe their longer term destiny lies with the Big 10 and I am not interested in being a place where they sit for 6 years and then leave.

Lastly, the Big 12 schools and conference need to figure out how substantially increase their recruiting so that the conference can compete with the SEC and Big 10 for talent.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Definite no to UCONN.

The ACC schools are off limits unless they find a way out of their grant of rights agreement with the ACC. My guess is that conference is a few years away from turbulence (absent someone finding a way out of their GOR).

In my opinion the current move is with the PAC 12 schools and the most logical are the four corner schools of Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah (in full disclosure I live in Utah so there is a bit of a vested interest) as they will not need to pay an exit fee. Oregon and Washington would be great, but I have to believe their longer term destiny lies with the Big 10 and I am not interested in being a place where they sit for 6 years and then leave.

Lastly, the Big 12 schools and conference need to figure out how substantially increase their recruiting so that the conference can compete with the SEC and Big 10 for talent.

I agree. If Yormark can pull off adding UA, ASU, and Utah, this conference could grow into a powerhouse. All it needs is a little time

 

[WVUALLEN]

1.) Go after UA, ASU, Utah and stop at 16?

2.) Go after UA, ASU, Utah, UW, and Oregon and stop at 18?

3.) Offer UConn and stop at 14?

Or…think outside the box and go with something completely different?

Ideally, IMO, the Big 12 would grab Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Virginia Tech, Pitt and stop at 18. Naturally, that’s assuming FSU and Clemson bolt the ACC.

Utah will never join the Big 12. They're to cocky to attempt it. UCONN basketball only. ASU will not want to join. Rumors of Arizona accepting invite August 1, 2023. Oregon and Washington are outside possibilities but will they only stay 8 years then go Big 10. Or does Big 10 come get them when PAC goes under without TV deal.

Stop at 14 and with Arizona coming with Colorado then wait for ACC to lose it's top members. Then go after VT, Pitt, Syracuse, NC State. Not sure where 19 and 20 come from but UCONN probably last taken.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Utah will never join the Big 12. They're to cocky to attempt it. UCONN basketball only. ASU will not want to join. Rumors of Arizona accepting invite August 1, 2023. Oregon and Washington are outside possibilities but will they only stay 8 years then go Big 10. Or does Big 10 come get them when PAC goes under without TV deal.

Stop at 14 and with Arizona coming with Colorado then wait for ACC to lose it's top members. Then go after VT, Pitt, Syracuse, NC State. Not sure where 19 and 20 come from but UCONN probably last taken.

I am ok with only Arizona and Colorado joining and stopping at 14. And then, as you said, wait….

Also, no to UCONN

 

[WVUALLEN]

I am ok with only Arizona and Colorado joining and stopping at 14. And then, as you said, wait….

Also, no to UCONN

I agree with a no to UCONN but after awhile the bottom of ACC just about the same as UCONN.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

I agree with a no to UCONN but after awhile the bottom of ACC just about the same as UCONN.

If the B12 waits and FSU and Clemson find a way out of the ACC, it would be rewarding for the B12 to explore VT, Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse.

 

[WVUALLEN]

If the B12 waits and FSU and Clemson find a way out of the ACC, it would be rewarding for the B12 to explore VT, Pitt, Louisville, Syracuse.

Louisville. I knew I was forgetting somebody.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

Louisville. I knew I was forgetting somebody.

Yeah, I would now favor them over Boston College. I wouldn’t mind Georgia Tech or NC State

 

[OlegeezEER]

I agree. If Yormark can pull off adding UA, ASU, and Utah, this conference could grow into a powerhouse. All it needs is a little time

The Big 12 will never grow into a powerhouse. The Sec and Big 10 will never allow it. It's an arm race between those two conferences. The teams that are coming to the Big 12 are the leftovers that the Big boys don't want and if they get the call from the Big two, they are out the door asap.

 

[oceantide83]

Go after BAMA, Georgia, LSU, Ohio State, and Michigan. If that doesn't work, grab the crumbs that fall from the big boy's table.

 

[ThePunish-EER]

The Big 12 will never grow into a powerhouse. The Sec and Big 10 will never allow it. It's an arm race between those two conferences. The teams that are coming to the Big 12 are the leftovers that the Big boys don't want and if they get the call from the Big two, they are out the door asap.

They can’t take everyone. Everything moves in cycles. And everything comes full circle eventually. There will be a day when the bluebloods go back to independent again. It’s all about money, greed and power. You think all the bluebloods will get along in the same conferences of the SEC and B10? There’s too much ego and pride. Right now it’s the trend. It will not last.

 

[OlegeezEER]

They can’t take everyone. Everything moves in cycles. And everything comes full circle eventually. There will be a day when the bluebloods go back to independent again. It’s all about money, greed and power. You think all the bluebloods will get along in the same conferences of the SEC and B10? There’s too much ego and pride. Right now it’s the trend. It will not last.

They will get along as long as the paycheck is right. I have seen projections that the Big 10 and Sec will eventually grow to 32 team. If that were to happen the Acc, Big 12 and Pac would cease to exist. Whatever does happens is dictated by these two conferences. If for say they grew to 32 the majority of the teams needed to make it happen are not bluebloods. Currently you have Fsu, Clemson, Notre Dame and maybe Miami as the only teams left on the chess board that are considered Bluebloods. If the Big 12 is ever to grow into a power conference it would have to start reeling in some heavy hitters. All we have done to date is attaract the best of the G5 and middle of the road at best power 5 programs.

 

[WVUALLEN]

The Big 12 will never grow into a powerhouse. The Sec and Big 10 will never allow it. It's an arm race between those two conferences. The teams that are coming to the Big 12 are the leftovers that the Big boys don't want and if they get the call from the Big two, they are out the door asap.

Definitely won't be a power house but will survive as the best of what's left.

 

[WVUALLEN]

They will get along as long as the paycheck is right. I have seen projections that the Big 10 and Sec will eventually grow to 32 team. If that were to happen the Acc, Big 12 and Pac would cease to exist. Whatever does happens is dictated by these two conferences. If for say they grew to 32 the majority of the teams needed to make it happen are not bluebloods. Currently you have Fsu, Clemson, Notre Dame and maybe Miami as the only teams left on the chess board that are considered Bluebloods. If the Big 12 is ever to grow into a power conference it would have to start reeling in some heavy hitters. All we have done to date is attaract the best of the G5 and middle of the road at best power 5 programs.

They will not go past 24. Might only go up to 20.

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

They will not go past 24. Might only go up to 20.

I agree. The greed will overwhelm the big boys and they will jettison the Vanderbilt, Rutgers and Northwesterns of the world.

 

[WVU-SE]

Utah will never join the Big 12. They're to cocky to attempt it. UCONN basketball only. ASU will not want to join. Rumors of Arizona accepting invite August 1, 2023. Oregon and Washington are outside possibilities but will they only stay 8 years then go Big 10. Or does Big 10 come get them when PAC goes under without TV deal.

Stop at 14 and with Arizona coming with Colorado then wait for ACC to lose it's top members. Then go after VT, Pitt, Syracuse, NC State. Not sure where 19 and 20 come from but UCONN probably last taken.

Out of curiosity, why do you say ASU won't join? I thought I saw somewhere that none of them will leave alone and want the other two "corners" or something like that.

 

[xWVU2010x]

I agree. The greed will overwhelm the big boys and they will jettison the Vanderbilt, Rutgers and Northwesterns of the world.

That’s the next phase. The only thing keeping it from all collapsing is the ACC GOR. If they negotiate out of that it’s over, and the B1G and SEC will finish their raiding and then the only upward mobility for more profits is how to dump low quality inventory.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Out of curiosity, why do you say ASU won't join? I thought I saw somewhere that none of them will leave alone and want the other two "corners" or something like that.

When it comes to money brotherhood and sticking together disappear.

See OU leave behind Oklahoma State and Texas leave behind Texas Tech.

See the money and knife your brothers in the back.

 

[oceantide83]

I agree. The greed will overwhelm the big boys and they will jettison the Vanderbilt, Rutgers and Northwesterns of the world.

Not so fast. The Big boys will still need some guaranteed conference wins after beating each other up.

 

[DAN79_rivals650805]

Kick back and have a beer with my phone off

 

[xWVU2010x]

Not so fast. The Big boys will still need some guaranteed conference wins after beating each other up.

The NFL is built on a few teams going 14-3 and a few teams going 3-14 and most others 1-2 games within .500 and it’s the most successful sports league, economically speaking, in the world.

 

[oceantide83]

The NFL is built on a few teams going 14-3 and a few teams going 3-14 and most others 1-2 games within .500 and it’s the most successful sports league, economically speaking, in the world.

You think going 3-14 to 1-2 games within .500 is going to make the big boys happy after being accustomed to double digit wins per season?

 

[eerdoc]

Imo, adding basketball only schools is a nail in your own coffin as a P5 conference. Ex: Big East. It caused such a pissing match that it started this expansion nonsense to begin with in the early 2000’s.

No disagreement. But, I hear too much from official sources that indicates interest atom 'someone'. Main issue, is I do mot want to see UCONN added as a full member.

 

[WVUALLEN]

You think going 3-14 to 1-2 games within .500 is going to make the big boys happy after being accustomed to double digit wins per season?

Somebody has to win and somebody has to lose. Not all of them are going 3-14 or .500, it's about the playoff system and money. Open your eyes.

 

[xWVU2010x]

You think going 3-14 to 1-2 games within .500 is going to make the big boys happy after being accustomed to double digit wins per season?

Given OU left, yes I think it will. They have had a paved road to a conference title and probably playoff berth for most of the playoff era and that didn’t stop the insatiable appetite for more money to be Alabama’s punching bag and probably not win a conference title for atleast a decade.

It goes back further than that as well. PSU joined the B1G to be Ohio State’s *****. Miami traded in its renegade image and 5 national titles to sip Chardonnay with UVA while Clemson dominates, and now Clemson wants to be next! Shoot even we traded in our winning ways for financial security, albeit our hand was forced by our peers.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Imo, adding basketball only schools is a nail in your own coffin as a P5 conference. Ex: Big East. It caused such a pissing match that it started this expansion nonsense to begin with in the early 2000’s.

That is incorrect. Brett Yormark and the Big 12 Conference want media rights holders to pay for his conference’s basketball product as they do for football.

Time will tell, but it seems almost certain that Yormark, who is nearing his one-year anniversary as the leader of the Big 12 on August 1, is going to transform the conference into a multi sport TV property.

This doesn’t mean Yormark is de-emphasizing the most important college sport. He knows the numbers, and he plans to have Big 12 football on TV screens from the morning until those late-night kickoffs close out the day.

It’s all part of the master plan.

“Now, that doesn't mean we compromise football; we understand the value of football,” Yormark said. “But if I can grow football, and grow basketball, (the Big 12 will) be in a much better place long term.”

Think outside the box.

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