Maybe you can morph into Nostradefense and just tell us what the future will be, thus giving us the best outcome.
And, BTW:
FREE WILLY!
If you were to build all new public schools. & double teachers pay.
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And, BTW:
FREE WILLY!
Education has been hijacked by libs. Teach kids responsibility civility and skills. Not gender fluidity fairness and other lib brainwashing bs
If you have ever gone to an open house at the beginning of the school year of a public school you know.
Right. But first come the grades and test scores. When those are in line kids should feel encouraged to do the other stuff.
As with pretty much every problem facing mankind today, the answer is for people to have fewer kids.
Bingo. Expectations for kids are set low at the schools because there is ZERO expectation that the parents will collaborate in the process. I sat next to a parent at a baseball practice one night who said "My kid knows that they can't play sports unless they get C's". OK, I guess.
The goal for these kids should be A's. You can get all A's and be approximately 10% wrong on everything. That is your margin for error. Anything less than that is unacceptable. If you don't think this is a realistic position to take then you need to evaluate your priorities as a parent. Will you need to participate in the process to get them to all A's? Yes. It's a pain in the butt too. But this is more important than anything else you can do to assure economic survival for your kids so do it.
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Free education is literally everywhere, how can you begin to justify increasing teacher salaries and building new schools?
All education has a price. May not be one that involves you directly pulling cash out of your wallet and handing it over to a cashier at a school, but there is a cost.
Get rid of all this homework. Let kids leave school, go home, be w families, eat dinner, play sports, ride bikes, be kids, etc. The hours of hw each night/week is ridulous. Papers, works cited pages, etc for a 4th grader?? Gtfoh
Get more accomplished while at school. Cut out all the bs kids do and spend time doing at school each day and get back to learning things that actually matter.
Get more accomplished while at school. Cut out all the bs kids do and spend time doing at school each day and get back to learning things that actually matter.
No those are things parents should do. Sterilize people who can’t raise their young. Canadian geese are better parents than many humans very sad
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Quit teaching to the standardized test so those scores look good. Teach the material in a straight forward way so they understand it and absorb it.
You all tap danced around the reason schools are doing poorly. I'm going to be called every name in the book but the unvarnished, unmitigated truth is that Africans average in the mid to high 80's in IQ points. Latinos low to mid 90's, Caucasians mid to high 90's (with the average being around 100) And Asians low to mid 100's. Of course there are outliers for each group But there are fewer black geniuses than Latin, or Caucasians. It is interesting that Caucasians have more geniuses than Asians, but our Bell Curve is more pronounced. (we have more lower IQ people than the Asians too) It's just nature, and nature doesn't give a damn about your outrage, or feelngs.
**** parents and incompetent administration within the school system is what killing it...not teachers.
My kid competes against a 42% Asian population in our local district. These mofos are not only inherently intelligent, their work ethic is unmatched in every phase of their waking day.
Plus, they’re politically quiet & conservative.
We need less loud, stupid, lazy people regardless of ethnicity.
Ok if you can provide a formula that accounts for the quality of the students and environment in which the teacher teaches.
Fact is many poorer performing school districts have to pay more, sometimes much more just to get people to take the jobs. Meanwhile many teachers take pay cuts to go to schools that provide shall we say...less of a challenge.
This past school year my youngest daughter started teaching kindergarten. Her daughter also started kindergarten at a different school. My daughter had 26 kids in her class, exactly 3 were able to count to 10 to start the year. All 26 qualified for free lunch. My granddaughter was in a class with 19 kids, only 1 was unable to count to 10 and that was a special needs child. Most were able to count well past 10, some to 100 which is as far as they tested them. I could go on and on with the comparisons...tell me how you evaluate teacher performances based on the disparities between various classes of children?
My daughter just took a $6000 pay cut... 15% to move to the school where her daughter attends.
There are actually studies that show it provides a short bump, but then they return to the mean. Alternatively, if you cut employees pay/benefits, you see a permanent drop in their output.
Easy, did the student do better than they did the year before. I agree schools are punished for the neighborhood they serve. My children go to a “bad” school as ratings go because a lot of students perform poorly, but it’s a poor district. I know the teachers are doing good work, some are doing great work. Follow each student and cohort through the system and rate the teachers based on how they did with that student and cohort.
I remember back in the KERA days my class at South Laurel was getting these great marks and the school would celebrate because we did better than the group before us, but the next year the group behind us would not do as good and the school got dinged for letting them slip. Well that was stupid, our class just had a lucky draw of several really good students with higher income parents and the class before us only had a few and the class behind us had none. It didn’t make sense to compare those groups against each other, it made sense to compare them against themselves.
The first key to fixing education is to make sure that all decisions continue to be made by people who have never been in a public school classroom.
Step two is to continue to demand uniformity and standardization among tens of millions of children with varied backgrounds, interests, abilities and goals.
As long as we keep doing those two things, I see no way it fails to improve dramatically across the board.
Step two is to continue to demand uniformity and standardization among tens of millions of children with varied backgrounds, interests, abilities and goals.
As long as we keep doing those two things, I see no way it fails to improve dramatically across the board.
You realize you just totally contradicted yourself?
You're suggesting that they baseline students at the beginning of the year and then test them again at the end of the year. That of course leads to teaching to the test which is exactly what happens when evaluations are based upon standardized testing. You're also telling the teacher that they are responsible for the progress of the class regardless of the environment which they've been given.
Going back to my daughter's kindergarten class...first is the class size which was greater than state mandated maximum of 23. The school had an open teaching position that they couldn't fill. Two months into the school year they did hire a teacher that was to take the overflow from the 6 other classes, that teacher lasted 3 days. Second is the inclusion of 5 special needs children with no aides to help. Again a few months into the school year a teachers aide was hired but being split between 6 other classes she was only available for a few hours twice a week. The district had more than 200 open teachers aide positions that they were never able to fill. Contrast that against my granddaughter's school that had a full time aide in a class with 1 special needs child. Not having the appropriate help is going to affect the performance of the class. How are you going to adjust for these shortfalls that aren't due to the teacher's ability to do their job?
When you say that teachers should be graded on performance how to you adjust for the environment? If a teacher has 5 disruptive kids that require 50% of their time because they can't be sent out of the classroom mainly because there is nowhere for them to go that affects their ability get through their lessons. Another teacher may have a classroom full of high achieving kids with involved parents. Again, how do you adjust for those differences?
My granddaughter left kindergarten reading on a 4th grade level. Is that because she had a great teacher (she did) or because her mother (a teacher) and a grandmother (a teacher) have worked with her pretty much since she's been born?
I find that generally people who think they have the answer to the problems with schools and teacher evaluations have never spent one day as a teacher nor do they know the breadth and depth of the factors that affect an individual much less a classroom's performance. No question there are good teachers and bad teachers. But the teacher is one small cog in a child's education. The exact reason that teacher's unions exist are to protect teachers from people like yourself that fail to see that 80% of what happens is out of a teacher's control. They must work with the children they are given and largely reliant upon administrative support with regards to the tools they have to do their jobs.
Thanks to Jimmy Carter we have the Department of Education. Things started going down hill about that time. As long as the Federal Government is running local schools systems, nothing will change and schools will continue to deteriorate. Receiving funding and orders from Washington DC was not what made the U.S. system of education the best in the world but when the DE became law well.........here we are.
You either do what the government says or they punish you and take away funding that they have no business having to start with. Abolish the Department of Education and return all tax dollars to the people and let local elected (non party affiliated) school boards set the guidelines. As a parent I trust my community to meet the needs and educate our children much more than some bean counter in D.C. If they are failing you can make a local change without worrying about interference from the Feds.
You either do what the government says or they punish you and take away funding that they have no business having to start with. Abolish the Department of Education and return all tax dollars to the people and let local elected (non party affiliated) school boards set the guidelines. As a parent I trust my community to meet the needs and educate our children much more than some bean counter in D.C. If they are failing you can make a local change without worrying about interference from the Feds.
We just won the international math olympiad
https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2018/july/us-wins-math-olympiad.html
https://www.cmu.edu/news/stories/archives/2018/july/us-wins-math-olympiad.html
I think we need more societal shaming tbh. Are you fat? You should be shamed daily in public and embarrassed of yourself. Are you divorced? Public shaming. Single parent? Public shaming. Your kid a moron with bad grades? Public shaming. etc etc
It's how it's done in lots of other cultures, especially Asian, and is quite effective.
It's how it's done in lots of other cultures, especially Asian, and is quite effective.
So because my ex-wife was a complete ***** and did things no person should ever do, I should be publicly shamed? You wouldn't like the shame that came back at you. That I can guarantee.
Had the wife been more afraid of the social repercussions of divorce maybe she would have shaped her behavior up to avoid it...The vows do really say "for better for worse".
Nope, that's not how that works. Once they know they have you trapped they just ramp things up because they know they have you trapped. I see it all the time.
That's correct Glenn, public shaming is the solution. 60 years ago you would be publicly embarrassed and shamed for being an idiot and marrying a moron, as you should be.