IHSA Dream Season
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Nope just one with the initials of HHS. I'm just hoping for more competitive state tile games which looks like we are headed for
OTOH, can you imagine the public school outrage if CCL schools capture the title in the top three classes?
There are bad eggs on both sides for sure but let's not pretend there are not more public schools complaining. See every single public that got eliminated by a private. If you could only see the conversations by Wilmington fans after they lost to IC.
I've said all along that in 3A and below (4A is some cases as well) the non boundary schools truly have an advantage. 5A and above to me shouldn't be complaining.
I'd say 5A yes, and even 6A. Your talking 1000-1600 enrollment schools, often having to match up against a private school with a great history that are actively recruiting a metro area (NAZ, JCA, Montini, SHG all come to mind).
However, in 7/8, no way should they be complaining. If you have 1800+ plus kids in your school, figure it out....
How is 1A guaranteed public when 2 of the teams left are private?
And Phillips is also open enrollment as they can have kids from anywhere within the city..
What you are too dumb to realize is this... in the downstate areas and especially in the smaller schools, a HUGE majority of the people agree with me.. and mot just fans, coaches and admin as well.. but in typical fashion, you never once thought that opinions in other areas could be different than yours..
You just can't respond like a grown up without the insults can you. I've been around this game plenty long enough without someone who chooses to just be rude.
Unless you're 12 I suggest trying to get your point across without the name calling. Probably helps your case. But according to you I'm dumb and a Db so what do I know.
You are the one that made the personal attacks, dont cry now when I am beating you with the facts.. Most people here are smart enough to see this is more of a small school problem, and then there is you..
Personal attack? I love it when you claim facts then feign personal attacks. I don't ***** about what I cannot change.
I coach and have always done so under the premise that if you wanna beat the best stop bitching like he world owes you something and get better. The whining about boundaries and recruiting and all that is just a shallow cry for entitlement.
The only teams entitled to anything are the ones that win their 14th game.
I don't require name calling to get my point across.
I think LCN has it nailed.
Whether the public or privates like it or not, the rules are the rules. These days people can ***** about a sunrise.. and they do.
Whether or not people follow those rules is what can be the real issue.
So if you feel your school is being wronged why not leave the IHSA?
If you feel so short changed because your program is being so badly Mis-treated, leave.
The recruiting and zero boundaries aren't going anywhere. Unless and your AD can always do this, create a better proposal.
All the hand wringing about an uneven playing field, why not create a plan to change it. Or is that beneath you?
If you feel so short changed because your program is being so badly Mis-treated, leave.
The recruiting and zero boundaries aren't going anywhere. Unless and your AD can always do this, create a better proposal.
All the hand wringing about an uneven playing field, why not create a plan to change it. Or is that beneath you?
Then at least that's not whining it's some kind of proposal instead of whoa is me, I can't compete with them. Based on most of their results the last few years, they can't compete with many teams.
Leave it as is. Nobody thought little Vernon Hills could compete with Naz and MCC. Do the privates have advantages? Sure, but every year is different. Makes it great when the public schools do make a run!
Hold on there cowboys. Don't lump everyone into the public complaining bus that you and Ramblin are building. There are plenty of public school folks that aren't complaining one bit as they don't feel there is much to complain about regarding this topic. Pretty simple really and not much to debate...Strap on the pads and play:,..and if you lose you lose and if you win you win.
The only boundary school that was better than us in 4A this year is Rochester and we could give them a game.. but hey, thanks for playing..
When you get into the smaller schools, there is more and more talk about separate classes, guys I talk to say within 5 years thats the direction it will go.. you don't seem to realize that in the smaller schools its your opinion thats laughed at..
And if you would make the effort to either ask or read, I suggested separate classes for. A few years....
No outrage about Open Boundaries winning the big classes. No outrage at all actually.
My biggest gripe about the structure of the system is that schools like IC are able to get 5A/6A level talent, play a 5A/6A size schedule, then drop into 3A for the playoffs and competly obliterate the field. That to me is kinda dumb and why I think football enrollment should be a factor in classification.
I'm not mad at the schools, I just don't like the system. IC was actually incredible to watch. Best 3A (or at least most explosive offense) I've ever seen. It will take some serious end of the world type inclement weather for them not to score 40+ each the next two games.
I wouldn't have an issue if Loyola Fenwick and SHG win state titles - they would have earned them.
But before we start dusting off the trophy case some very formidable games are in their way.
But before we start dusting off the trophy case some very formidable games are in their way.
ICCP is already multiplied up TWO classes to be in 3A. Their actual enrollment is 300. This year, they would be the third largest school in the 1A field if they weren't multiplied.
ICCP has been playing in that hodge-podge conference of theirs since 2014. The first year, they didn't even qualify for the playoffs. Last year, they were trounced in the semis. How about they win their next two games and then you can really let loose on them.
You want to gripe about how they breeze through the playoffs? I assume you are also griping about Forreston breezing through 1A and Phillips through 4A. Phillips played five schools in the regular season twice its size or more. Three of those schools are at least 3 times the size of Phillips.
Relax Francis. I didn't attack ICCP. It's not ICCP's fault. They are well within the IHSA rules. Why are you getting all worked up?
BTW, - Are you suggesting they should be playing 1A? That would be a hoot.
Where would they be in your nebulous power ranking system of class determination?
I've been an advocate for a return of FB enrollment. For all. Even though it would likely push the team I root for up a class.
If poor wittle bitty ICCP can play (and dominate) 5A/6A sized schools all year then they should be okay playing 4A or 5A in the playoffs. I think they'd win personally. At least this year. Was that an attack on IC? Sorry.
Same rule would apply to Rochester....and Wilmington and Phillips and Fenwick and Herscher and DuQuoin and ....everyone else.
As for Phillips, they get the best of all worlds. Open enrollment and no multiplier. How dumb of a rule is that?
If a team from central Illinois does a co-op they assume the entire enrollment of the other school. Look at Watseka, they get about a half dozen kids from St. Anne and are rewarded with getting sent to 4A. It's a choice, but it's still dumb.
The rules are the rules, but they don't make any damn sense.
I'm not very in tune with what Forreston is doing. Didn't realize they were a story or a best ever type team like IC is being talked about. I know they are from a traditionally very strong 1A league. Looking at the bracket, it appears that they will be facing a Catholic school in the semis and another one likely in the title game...
Phillips gets open enrollment and no multiplier... AND no tuition
They better beat 4A teams with 8A talent..
http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/ic-catholic-prep-knights-(elmhurst,il)/football/schedule.htm
55 according to this website.
You want to talk worked up? YOU are the one who said you had a gripe.
I'm not suggesting they play 1A. Just wanted to remind you that they were already multiplied up two classes from their actual size. If you want to go by football enrollment as it used to be calculated, you take out the largest and smallest opponent and determine the average ACTUAL enrollment of the other 7 regular season opponents. Using that formula, ICCP's FBE this year is 808 which would make them the smallest school in the 5A field.
However, if you think for a minute that playing the likes of much larger Fenton, Elmwood Park, etc. is the reason behind ICCP breezing through 3A this year, you are fooling yourself.
If there were football enrollment in place, how long do you think a school like ICCP would stay in a conference where they play a number of much larger schools that would skew upwards the average enrollment of their opponents? They likely would have never joined that conference.to begin with if football enrollment had been in place.
Not sure what difference that make. 55 is a great number no matter what classification each kid is. Are their other 3A schools with 55 on the roster?
kids in catholic schools come out for football whether they play or not same enrollment we suit more kids its in our DNA! when public schools dominate its ok we just win and they sing the blues example maine south rochester and simeon in b ball you don'thear us crying PLAY BALL!
Then you see no difference between 14 and 18 year olds. Interesting take.
Of the remaining three 3A semifinalists, here is the roster breakdown:
Monticello 65, 37 of whom are frosh and soph
Carlinville 52, 21 of them are frosh and soph
North Mac 45, 12 of whom are frosh and soph
Frosh and sophs as a % of varsity roster:
ICCP 62%
Monticello 57%
North Mac 47%
Carlinville 27%
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Based on the past five-year period, from 2012-present, IC has compiled the records: 7-4, 6-4, 4-5 and 11-2. The football program is currently 12-0.
Could you please explain to me precisely how IC is able to "get 5A/6A-level talent?" Are you aware of any specific device IC harnesses to lure student-athletes to the school?
The conclusion I am drawing is IC appears to have a particularly talented team this year, but judging by their record over the past five-year period it does not indicate lordship over class 3A or any other class.
IC last won a state title in 2008.
It appears to me, now Montini has been dismissed from the playoffs, supporters of the punitive measures the IHSA has applied to Catholic schools are now directing their rage at Immaculate Conception.
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