IHSA Football Amendments

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I guess at huge schools who offer lax and rugby it might be an issue but in a lot of those cases they have the space anyway especially with the football practice fields being unused in spring. but in the vast majority of cases boys soccer would just be sharing with girls soccer if boys moved to spring .
Huge schools? Majority offer Lax at this point.
 

MunyonMustGo

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Huge schools? Majority offer Lax at this point.
The are 43 Rugby Programs most of which aren't single school but combined by districts, conferences or area. That's according to Rugby Illinois. Now for Lax, 72 programs played at least 15 games last year according to Max Preps . A few combined but a lot more single school programs. There are over 775 member IHSA schools. We're about 310 schools short or so of schools offering Lax to get to that majority you speak of.
 

ramblinman_rivals165935

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I kind of always thought Boys Soccer should move to the spring. Less wear and tear on grass fields in the fall. Less taxing on place kickers that play soccer.

What do you think boys and girls soccer would do to the fields in the thawing and rainy spring, with boys and girls lacrosse playing on some of those same fields?

There are barely enough soccer officials to handle the demand with girls in the spring and boys in the fall. There absolutely wouldn't be enough if you have girls and boys playing in the same season.
 
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serious question. SInce this is election day, I always try to understand the perspective on people on the other side of an issue.

However, I have still yet to meet anyone who supports either of these proposals. What is the underlying logic?
 
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Girls Soccer, Boys Lax, Girls Lax... even rugby is increasing in popularity. Where they gonna find the field time? Right now boys soccer only competes with football. Seems appropriately placed to me.

Girls soccer should be moved to fall. This is mindboggling to any of my out of state friends. The most common dual sport players in grade and elementary school among girls is soccer and lacrosse. Playing them in same season is assinine
 

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What do you think boys and girls soccer would do to the fields in the thawing and rainy spring, with boys and girls lacrosse playing on some of those same fields?

There are barely enough soccer officials to handle the demand with girls in the spring and boys in the fall. There absolutely wouldn't be enough if you have girls and boys playing in the same season.
The fields issue I see as a non issue. The ref issue is a better point.
 

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I think any team who forfeits regardless of reason should by rule have to pay the team they forfeited to restitution like they do here in TN per TSSAA.
 
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Districts is a concept you either buy into, or you don't. Districts will change every couple of years because of enrollment changes, schools dropping football, schools closing, etc. If you only are in favor of the district concept if you like your district, probably because there are four cupcake programs in it, you are no better than the schools searching for non-conference cupcakes...What if CPS closes 10 big schools and creates 48 small charter schools which are playoff eligible?

Expanding the playoffs to 8 classes of 48, with first round byes for the top sixteen per class, doesn't really help anything...384? 12 classes of 32 begs participation trophies...It would be better to go to the 8 games, 512 playoff teams in 8 classes of 64...Yuck...Leave the playoff structure alone...
 

Wilmatucky

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Districts is a concept you either buy into, or you don't. Districts will change every couple of years because of enrollment changes, schools dropping football, schools closing, etc. If you only are in favor of the district concept if you like your district, probably because there are four cupcake programs in it, you are no better than the schools searching for non-conference cupcakes...What if CPS closes 10 big schools and creates 48 small charter schools which are playoff eligible?

Expanding the playoffs to 8 classes of 48, with first round byes for the top sixteen per class, doesn't really help anything...384? 12 classes of 32 begs participation trophies...It would be better to go to the 8 games, 512 playoff teams in 8 classes of 64...Yuck...Leave the playoff structure alone...

I agree! Leave it alone and find a better formula for weighing the strength (or lack of strength) of schedule. If anything the ideal situation IMHO would be go back to six classes. That will never happen but it's worth dreaming about.
 

ramblinman_rivals165935

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The fields issue I see as a non issue. The ref issue is a better point.

Hold on there. In your first post on the topic of boys soccer, the first reason you offered as to why they should move to the spring was "Less wear and tear on grass fields in the fall" When I bring up what moving them to the same fields in the wet and spongy spring would do to those fields, and sharing those fields at the same time with girls soccer and boys and girls lacrosse, you don't see that as an issue?

You can't have it both ways.
 
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It's not football but there is a proposal to move softball from the spring to the fall? So girls would have to choose between volleyball and softball? Hopefully this gets shot down. :mad:

I assumed this proposal was made by some smaller school with numbers problems supporting softball, soccer & track...Then I see Metea Valley proposed it...This has no chance, and the reason is simple...the 2A/3A split in softball is under 600 kids. I haven't done a school by school survey, but the great majority of Unit Districts in smaller towns share the same diamonds for junior high and high school baseball & softball...Some use park district diamonds - but a lot of the small towns lack park districts and the school diamonds are used by the youth leagues. The idea, then, that the diamonds are just sitting unused is just wrong for probably half the IHSA...

As well, many of the smaller districts have the same coaches for the junior high and high school teams in softball, baseball & volleyball...switching seasons will be a massive problem. Second, small town baseball/softball scheduling generally has the conference games tied together, with the teams taking the same bus...Finding new coaches and doubling the travel budget just is not going to happen at smaller schools....
 
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The District question I have, which I have pointed out on other threads, is 8A. Brother Rice is the 57th largest football playing school in the state, and the smallest 8A school this year at 2290. If the average District will be 68 schools, that would make Round Lake the largest 7A or smallest 8A with 2157 kids. The IHSA table of football playing schools, last updated in September, shows the proposed District cutoffs...the lower cutoff pushes Simeon, Benet and Glenbard East into 8A - yes, the 1 & 2 seeds in 7A this year would be in 8A under Districts...
 
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MunyonMustGo

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Hold on there. In your first post on the topic of boys soccer, the first reason you offered as to why they should move to the spring was "Less wear and tear on grass fields in the fall" When I bring up what moving them to the same fields in the wet and spongy spring would do to those fields, and sharing those fields at the same time with girls soccer and boys and girls lacrosse, you don't see that as an issue?

You can't have it both ways.

It would have an entire summer of non usage and great weather to recover in time for football season. The vast majority of schools offering soccer and lax have artificial turf. I probably should've explained that earlier as to why I see it as a non-issue.
 

MunyonMustGo

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Of the proposals the districts proposal is way better, but its still way worse than the current system.