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Random thoughts from someone so old that he knows that the original NFL teams included a club based in Racine, but NOT Racine in Wisconsin.

1) If the IHSA's "district" proposal does get overturned, it won't be mostly because of ridiculous matchups in which powerhouse programs from the Chicago suburbs are forced to play "district" games against non-competitive programs from the Chicago Public League, although that clearly is a problem.
It will be overturned because of the Rule of 9.
Some of the districts in the IHSA model had nine teams and a nine-team district will not work.
Forget the first two weeks of the 2021 season because those are practice games that mean nothing.
And ignore the fact that in a nine-team district, some teams won't be playing all the other teams in their district.
The reality is that in a nine-team district, in weeks 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9, one team each week is NOT going to have anybody to play.
Where does a school which has no game in week 3 find a non-district opponent to play in yet another non-counting practice game?
And then, in week 4, it's a different team in the same scheduling situation. And then in week 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9, well, you get the idea.
The only solution will be to find another nine-team district and match up the bye teams each week. Of course, that could create a competitive and worthwhile practice game.
Or, it could create a slaughter-rule game. Or it could create a game in which the visiting team is traveling 150 miles to play a practice game that does't count in the standings.
Anybody think that's a good idea?
The Rule of 9 does not work. An eight-team district can function on some level in terms of scheduling, though certainly not in terms of competitiveness.
A nine-team district fails. As would a seven-team district. A district is going to have to be eight teams or 10 teams or six teams...with the six-team version requiring teams to play some opponents twice during a district season.
The IHSA nine-team district is a train wreck waiting to happen.

2) Practice games the first two weeks of the season...
Do coaches play everybody on the roster in these two games because the result is irrelevant?
What about bizarre strategies in these games, such as testing out the theory of never punting regardless of the line of scrimmage?
Will opposing coaches agree to play starters for a half, and then flood the field with reserves so they get to play the second half?
Will teams use practice games to fine-tune their onside kicks?
Think about this please: In the NFL, everybody hates the preseason games. Yet, the IHSA has now created two preseason games for every high school team.
If a team has an outstanding running back, does the kid get 25 carries in the practice games, or does he sit to avoid injury?

3) Scheduling lower-level games is now the hardest job an athletic director has.
A strong football school might have a Freshman A team, a Freshman B team, a Sophomore team and a JV team. But there are schools in Illinois with enrollments above 1,200 that are going to have trouble fielding teams at at those four levels.
The IHSA has chosen to make scheduling easier at the varsity level, but at the same time, has created the potential for a major mess at lower levels.

4) Expanding the playoffs, which currently include 256 teams (32 teams X 8 classes).
Starting the season a week earlier so that the number of playoff teams can be doubled to 512 is not going to fly.
If a team's first game is in mid-August and three games are scheduled before Labor Day, when is actual practice going to start? The first week in August? Hello 90-degree days. That is stupid and will not work.
Playing an eight-game season so as to double the playoff enrollment to 512 is not going to work either. The reason? The game that will be eliminated under the IHSA's district plan is one of the practice games in weeks 1 and/or 2.
With an eight-team district, that's seven district games and just one practice game. For teams that are really good and are in a really week district, the game being eliminated is a game that the coaches, players and fans want to see.
Some have suggested making a 48-team bracket for the eight classes, which totals 384 teams. That creates a first-round playoff bye for the top 16 teams in each class, and you can pick those top 16 any way you want.
It's a bad idea.
For starters, you are again adding a week to the season for some teams. You can't add a week at the beginning because of August heat, and you can't add a week at the end because there are so many problems with moving off the Thanksgiving weekend for state playoffs that it has no chance of ever happening.
Just to bring up two problems:
1) If it's not Thanksgiving weekend for the playoffs, then you are trying to hold football playoffs all day Friday and Saturday while the university has school in session. Playing at ISU or NIU or U of I or SIU or any university works for the final games because the campus is basically empty because of the holiday weekend.
You want to see a mess? Trying driving a thousand cars onto the NIU campus during the day on a Friday with school in session. No shot at this happening.
2) Basketball season's opening games are Thanksgiving week. While it's certainly possible that a big school such as Lincoln-Way East will have no football players on its basketball roster, there are hundreds of schools in which the basketball team OR the wrestling team consists of football players.
Also, with a 48-team playoff bracket, you are giving a bye week to 16 teams that won't want it. Remember, they star players are losing a game to play — a state champ/runnerup would play 13 games in stead of 14 which the kids don't want.
But here's the thing: A good team such as Mt. Carmel would get a first-round by and then play the No. 32 or No. 33 seed in what is now the second round. Does a team want a bye to prepare for a 40-point slaughter game? Nobody wants that. It makes zero sense.
5) Finally, in an attempt to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem, here is one idea for expanding the football playoffs, and I kind of am surprised I haven't read this before because I guarantee there are ice hockey and boys lacrosse supporters reading.
Here is a doable play for turning a 32-team bracket into a 48-team bracket.
The top 32 teams go into the playoffs just as they do now. I don't care if you want to seed teams 1-32 or have two 1-16 brackets or four 1-8 brackets. Do whatever you want.
Now comes the new part. The next-best 128 teams — 5-4, 4-5 and 3-6 records under the current system and who know what under the new district system — will qualify for their own Silver Division playoffs with 16 teams in each of the eight brackets.
Those teams would have their own playoffs with the championship games set for the Saturday before Thanksgiving, with four classes playing at pick-a-school (Barrington is awesome and could host four games and I am sure there is a high school further south that could host the other four games. Crowds wouldn't be huge because these are, after all, not elite teams.
The champs would be crowned the weekend before the Gold Division state title games are played.
What this would do would be to give incentive to teams 1-5 to keep working hard to make the postseason
It's a B Division tournament, so to speak.
In ice hockey, the AHAI has done that in the past, playing its top teams in the Red Division (Loyola Gold, New Trier Green, Glenbrook North, etc.) and letting the lesser-skilled teams play in a White Division for a championship.
Boys lacrosse did the exact same thing until the IHSA took over the sport. If you're a lacrosse powerhouses (think New Trier, Loyola, etc.) it's great to compete for an IHSA state title. But if you're at a completely different skill level, then you have zero chance of succeeding in the postseason.
Playing in a Silver Division or "B" tourney would give football teams a reason to play on in October.

That's it. Thanks for reading.
 

JCHillmen

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I propose a revote to do away with districts.

8 game regular season. 48 teams per class qualify. So now 2-6 or even 1-7 may get you in.

Top 16 seeds in each class get a bye in round one. I know you don’t like it, but I think it’s a decent reward for an 8-0 or 7-1 season. That also eliminates the worst of the mismatches with an expanded playoff. Championship weekend is still thanksgiving weekend.

I prefer the status quo, but if a moderate playoff expansion is what it takes to kill the district model, then I am ok with that.
 
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Wow. Some interesting ideas. Some bad ideas.

1) The Rule of 9 is only a problem if there are an odd number of 9 team districts. The goal has to be to make the 9 team districts next to each other and basically force them to play one crossover non-district game. Somehow I foresee that if there are an odd number of teams in a year, known far enough in advance that no schools are dropping football at the last minute, that some CPL school will be dropped as the odd team...So there will only be even numbers of schools in each class - 64, 66, 68 probably...two year scheduling they are discussing should resolve this.

2) Practice games the first two weeks. Probably depends on the teams. If you get a 3A Wilmington playing key neighboring 4A rivals like Coal City and Manteno, probably they play real games. If you get meaningless non-con games, it might be different.
Bizarre strategies? I've seen teams choose not to punt, if you're getting running clocked in the first quarter (Wilmo v. Westmont) why bother = why give up more defensive yards by punting if you know you can't stop them? Or a team has a great returner, so you choose not to kick...Or your first couple punts get hopelessly blocked, so why even try?
Starters for a half, then reserves? Depends on your lower level scheduling probably...
Play the stud back? Depends probably on the meaninglessness of the matchup...

3) Lower level scheduling will always be a mess. But you can always go back to your traditional opponents.

4) Playoff changes...theorize away.
Playing on campus issues non-Thanksgiving week? Ever heard of MACtion? MAC schools play more weeknight games than they play weekend games because of TV...sure, its just one game at night, but don't tell me the campus can't handle it - construction of the Convocation Center added 3000 parking spots a few years ago...If Illinois can play Penn State in Football on Friday night, or put 16,000 fans in State Farm Center for basketball or a concert, surely the State Finals would be possible. If Illinois can have 15,000 high school kids for Engineering Open House, flooding the actual academic part of campus, and not have to close the university, certainly they can handle a Friday with football finals...ISU can put 10,000 in Redbird Arena for a hoops game on a weeknight, so state finals could be possible - although parking might be a little more difficult.

You add wrong about going to 48 teams per class, the top 16 get a bye, so the bottom 32 play to cut the field from 48 to 32 = the state championship teams will have at least 14 games, if a competitor doesn't get the bye they will play 15 games. Going to an 8 game regular season with a bye doesn't make sense...if the decision is 8 games, I don't see how the playoffs don't go to 64 per class.

Winter sports do start Thanksgiving week. But have you looked at scheduling by football powers, particularly in the lower classes, with winter sports? St. Joe Ogden started a hoops tournament the week after Thanksgiving, with a theory of inviting opponents who expect to go deep in the football playoffs. Other seemingly weird tournaments have popped up in December, some to avoid the traditional tourney between Christmas and New Years, others to avoid the Turkey Tourney...Rarely do you see football/wrestling powers scheduling much prior to the second week of December - realistically, many small school head wrestling coaches are also football assistants, so they aren't going to schedule a bunch of early season meets if they expect to go deep in the football playoffs.

Your B Division playoffs tournament? In a one class sport like hockey or lacrosse, it is like having two classes. If you do that, a "wrestleback" style tournament makes more sense...your first round 16 losers get the consolation bracket, the 8 winners get the 8 losers of the second round...etc. Play a 3rd place game and a 5th place game...Okay, this idea sounds better than your B Division, yet is not very logical...
 

woody6

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I'm starting to warm-up to the idea of 8-game regular season with 48 qualifiers per class and the bye, given the other options floating about. I was down on the Round 1 pass for 16 teams per class, but what is so horrible about 128 squads state-wide getting a slower week in October to catch up some on their schoolwork, health and well-being? These top 16 may be extending their seasons longer anyway eventually. The idea seems to keep in place several good things about the current state of affairs like maintaining: T-giving weekend end, meaningful non-cons, traditional conference integrity and normal season start date along with expansion to bring in the 5-4 and some 4-5 teams.
 

superac777

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Just do like Indiana.Everyone gets in including lower level CPS.Stupid they don’t get a chance
 

AmbroseBlack

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I say we eliminate classes. Playoffs start in week one and everyone is in. When you lose you hand in your pads. The season is over when only one team remains. This way we don't have to worry about multipliers, success factors, classes, seedings, bye weeks, etc.

I like it. The entire state will belong to the Highlander Conference.

 

Konza

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Respectfully disagree on the Rule of 9.

Nine team districts could work- they'd play eight district games, and have one week to play a game that doesn't count. Hopefully the IHSA would geographically disperse the nine team districts so teams wouldn't have to travel half way across the state to schedule a game that doesn't count.

Ten team districts would work the same way- a ten team conference or district can play nine games that count in nine weeks.

If the district thing is to happen I'd advocate for the top 7 classes to be 64 teams each, and the rest to 1A.
 

mchsalumni

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I say we eliminate classes. Playoffs start in week one and everyone is in. When you lose you hand in your pads. The season is over when only one team remains. This way we don't have to worry about multipliers, success factors, classes, seedings, bye weeks, etc.

Brilliant!
 

LHSTigers94

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I would welcome ESL to 8A or Even 7A lots of talk let's see the action now.

ESL plays 1 7A and 2 8A teams for non conference games this year! Not sure your point. Has petitioned to play 7A since winning state in 2008. 2013 and 2014 they played 6A based on enrollment.