Illinois college in state tuition

WIU@78

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Hold on folks before you send the little rascals off to that Illinois University...this is going to be interesting with budget cuts ahead and competition already pulling our students to Iowa, Missouri and Indiana.

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Anon1754760634

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My daughter is heading to an out of state school next fall and she will pay roughly 7-8000 less a year compared to my son at NIU
 

ignazio

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In-state//out-of-state tuitions (annual, based on a typical full-time undergrad):
UGa: $10836//29046
U of Alabama: $9,826//24950
Auburn: $10,200//27384
Ole Miss: $7096//19144
LSU: $8750//26467
Texas: $9798//34722

U of I: $15020//29646

What that doesn't show is the merit aid that the schools down south are offering IL residents, typically getting very competitive w/ UofI in-state rates.

Down in Georgia, if you are a GA resident, and you maintain a 3.0, you qualify for the Hope Scholarship -- and your tuition is approximately $1800/year for UGa.
 

WIU@78

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Ignazio...and those are straight up numbers. I tell the kids that applying out of state, those numbers will almost always go down with merit aid. That statement for the state schools of Illinois, nothing should be expected. The out of state numbers are posted but very flexible once you speak with the admissions folks. Leave no stone unturned if you like the campus etc.
 

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According to a front page Tribune article earlier this year ten percent of this years freshman class at Illinois are Chinese nationals. Another article maybe a month or so later said that Illinois was going to increase its budget for financial aid to keep in state students at home. In a seperate announcement after second Tribune article U of I announced a plan to freeze tiuiton for next years freshman class, again in an effort to attract and keep Illinois kids at home. Fast forward to this week and Governor Rauner announces a 400 million dollar cut to education. Goodbye Illinois high school class of 2015. Good luck finding good deals in other states . It's a shame .
 

GMAN81

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The fact is, tuition doesn't go up each year because of cuts, it goes up because of the fact student loans are so easy to get for kids and parents. We are headed for the same thing that happened in the housing collapse in this country. They are giving loans to people who are going to have a hell of a time paying them back and a person coming out of college with $100,000+ in loan debt is fairly common.

I have a daughter at ISU who will graduate next spring. Luckily we haven't had to take any loans so far. I also have a son who graduated college a few years ago and is married now. His wife had over $100,000 in loan debt from a nursing degree. She had been making all the payments on time and they came to her and said if she paid $20,000 in cash they would consider the loan paid off. Naturally they jumped on the option and are debt free from college. Not all people can do that. But if they were going to accept $20,000 to pay off a $100,000 debt what does that tell you?

I think college expenses in this country are a complete rip off and these kids are really being put behind the 8 ball when they get out. How many can't even find jobs based on their degrees and in their field? A ton, and most are saddled with a lot of debt too. College costs more than 10 times what it did when I was in school. Probably colser to 15 times. That may be 30+ years ago but how many things have gone up by ten times? Incomes sure as hell haven't. Even the price of gas isn't close. Gas was .99 when I was in school when I got out. Easy loans are what is causing this problem.
 

ignazio

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eireog, Dr:
My friend's son - solid grades (3.5+), top math student, selective enrollment Chicago high school, 35 ACT, applied to U of I engineering ... rejected.
Seems that the U of I has decided that they'd rather the Chinese kid who pays in full, up front than the Illinois taxpayer's kid. And with a policy like that, that school doesn't deserve taxpayer support.

If you're wondering why the cost has risen:
U.S. universities employed more than 230,000 administrators in 2009, up 60 percent from 1993, or 10 times the rate of growth of the tenured faculty, those with permanent positions and job security, according to U.S. Education Department data.

Sure the loans are part of the problem and everyone has a story about a family member drowning in student debt, living out their 20s in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life.

Folks are getting wise. Graduating without debt is the new masters degree.
 

Lockport Dad

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Not true, my son was accepted at U of I the acceptance letter came last Friday and he is not from China. Yes, there are foreign students there but you will find that at any quality school.

My son was also accepted at several other quality schools. We will know have to decide which one will be the best fit academically and financially.
 

Thedoctor50

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Originally posted by Lockport Dad:
Not true, my son was accepted at U of I the acceptance letter came last Friday and he is not from China. Yes, there are foreign students there but you will find that at any quality school.

My son was also accepted at several other quality schools. We will know have to decide which one will be the best fit academically and financially.
What is not true? Of course kids from Illinois are accepted, however there are qualified kids from Illinois that are rejected. The 35 ACT is an example. If that kid had applied to another college at U of I he may have been accepted, but the fact that the college of Eng. is heavily populated with kids from other countries is true.
 

Thedoctor50

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One more thing on college tuition. I grew up in a blue collar family, first to attend college, I paid my own way. Parents gave me $60 per month for spending. I paid from money saved ( birthday/1st communion/paper routes, etc) and summer jobs. There is no way a student can pay via that method these days.

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OldLeaf

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The #1 reason and root cause for the prolific rise and cost of college is the same prolific rise in the availability of the money supply to pay for college in the form of easy, unlimited and pluthera scholarships, grants, loans, financial aid, etc. It's no secret.....it's the ever-increasing money supply and availability of easy money to pay for college . If one plots the available money supply for paying for college and the cost of college over time, those two curves are identical and parallel to one another. The same would apply to anything whether it be houses, cars, gasoline, ketchup, underwear, hookers or condoms. Eliminate or reduce the amount of money supply, ease of availability and getting the money to pay for college.......and the cost of college will drop like a rock and fall in line where it should be. And it should be a smart mandatory academic and financial requirement for everybody to pay for at least 75% of your total college costs as one goes without debt to earn/receive that college diploma. That's about the best and smartest thing colleges can give college graduates for their future lives after college.

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GMAN81

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Originally posted by OldLeaf:
The #1 reason and root cause for the prolific rise and cost of college is the same prolific rise in the availability of the money supply to pay for college in the form of easy, unlimited and pluthera scholarships, grants, loans, financial aid, etc. It's no secret.....it's the ever-increasing money supply and availability of easy money to pay for college . If one plots the available money supply for paying for college and the cost of college over time, those two curves are identical and parallel to one another. The same would apply to anything whether it be houses, cars, gasoline, ketchup, underwear, hookers or condoms. Eliminate or reduce the amount of money supply, ease of availability and getting the money to pay for college.......and the cost of college will drop like a rock and fall in line where it should be. And it should be a smart mandatory academic and financial requirement for everybody to pay for at least 75% of your total college costs as one goes without debt to earn/receive that college diploma. That's about the best and smartest thing colleges can give college graduates for their future lives after college.

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Very well said Old Leaf and right on. If you listen to financial experts they all pretty much say the same thing.
 

GMAN81

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Originally posted by ignazio:

If you're wondering why the cost has risen:
U.S. universities employed more than 230,000 administrators in 2009, up 60 percent from 1993, or 10 times the rate of growth of the tenured faculty, those with permanent positions and job security, according to U.S. Education Department data.

Sure the loans are part of the problem and everyone has a story about a family member drowning in student debt, living out their 20s in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life.

Folks are getting wise. Graduating without debt is the new masters degree.
Ignazio:

You are right as to where the money is going. But the fact is, if the money supply isn't there from easy loans, then you don't have this many "staff" to pay in the first place.

As for your second paragraph. You have the Pres proposing and saying community college should be free. People have to understand that NOTHING is free. Someone has to pay for it and we in the middle are getting stuck the most whenever he offers anything for "free." Yes, people are finally wise. Too bad they weren't paying attention in 2008.
 

WIU@78

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Lockport Dad...keep us posted as to which University lands your son please...and to which college/ studies he pursues. Options versus U of I?
 

OldLeaf

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I'm a UIUC College of Engineering graduate and attended from 77-81. The overall enrollment and make-up at UIUC hasn't changed a significant lick since I attended. However, the demand and interest to go there has increased substantially. Yes, there are going to be many academically worthy people rejected from IL and all over the place from various backgrounds, groups or categories. And there will be a few academically not-so-worthy people or "underdogs" accepted into the UIUC College of Engineering. I'm living proof of the later.

And there is no question that the UIUC enrollment is heavily.....very heavily.....made up of students from Chicagoland, especially from the burbs. When I was there it was rare to meet or cross paths with another student that wasn't from the burbs. Seemed like at least 75-85% were from there and it was extremely rare to meet someone from rural, downstate or outside of Chicagoland IL as well as from out of state. A few, but certainly not many. My sources there today say that is all still true today and has not changed. And it is also true that there is a heavy contingent of Asians within the College of Engineering. But one would be dead wrong to conclude or assume this Asian student population is heavily from China or foreign. Sure there are some engineering students there that are foreign or from China....and from Japan, Korea, Taiwan, India, etc. However, the majority of the "Asian" student population there is in fact from IL....the burbs.....or from elsewhere in the US and are US citizens with most being born and raised in the US. And they may have Asian names or they may have American names. Yes, Asian people from all over the world are pretty darn good and better than other ethnic groups in the math and sciences, and for engineering studies.

I think the UIUC and their college of engineering trys to be as diverse, fair and give a wide range of people from various backgrounds, groups or categories of people an opportunity at an engineering degree there for various reasons. And I think it is quite cool that there will be a very few limited lottery picks for the underdogs that meet some strange and mysterious set of combination criteria from country-bumpkinville that may not meet or exceed their brilliant academic requirements and had all the fortune coming from a high school or area that had all the resources providing all the AP classes that allowed them to achieve an ACT score of 35. Sometimes in some specific cases, a student with an ACT score of only 24 with no AP classes in high school deserves the opportunity over the gifted brilliant super nerd and makes damn good on that lottery pick opportunity. Sometimes the underdogs succeed against all odds and what's just on paper and academic records. Work ethic, commitment, dedication, character, motivation, self-discipline, effort, relentlessness, maturity, street smarts, survival skills, and a never give up mentality and heart are all wild cards and aren't necessarily reflected in applications or brilliant academic records.

Yes, the UIUC College of Engineering sometimes works in some strange and mysterious ways.....and I'm damn fortunate and glad they do. And I'm one of those few UIUC College of Engineering graduates who was blessed with an underdog lottery pick or opportunity for whatever reason(s) that I will never know where I may tell one to stick one's brilliant super nerd ACT score, AP classes, GPA and class ranking where the sun don't shine.
 

WIU@78

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OldLeaf...all respect as I am the same era, but, it don't work that way today. All the extras, SAT, ACT, GPA, Class rank ARE important to placement. Now, there are special minority issues that could come into play.

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crusader_of_90

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As far as admissions go, my research indicates that elite colleges and programs have profiles they want to satisfy, such as low-income white/black/brown kids from X ZIP code. Someone with a 504 plan or ADA qualifier from Y ZIP code. A person with some unique skill set or quirky ability. Then the rest come down to competitive placements - tiered based on financial background.

My twins are sophomores at Fremd. In their class, it is expected that a few hundred apply to U of I, about 40 will be accepted and 20 will attend freshman semester. That's a class of about 1000 from good schools. Of those accepted, maybe half will be "white," while others, most of whom are citizens, will fall under "other" categories.

That said, we have a visit scheduled for April 3 and their MyIllini accounts are populated. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out in the coming months.
 

all4theillini

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Originally posted by cpachicagosteve:
Originally posted by Dr. Mirakle:

I have a daughter at ISU who will graduate next spring.
Illinois State University.................the Harvard of the Midwest!
Ha! Who's the dope on this board who continually referred to UI as the, "newly minted Yale of the Midwest?"

What at does that even mean?!?
 

WIU@78

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What at does that even mean?!? I don't know...please tell me All4. There are specialty majors at all universities that are better than any of our own beloved. Joliet Junior College for culinary arts for instance. Keep calm and worry about selection Sunday.
 

Bwm57

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University of Texas is closer to $53,000 with very little grant/scholarship money available despite having the third largest endowment of any US university. Problem is they have to participate with the other Texas public universities in the admission process which allows them little flexibility, particularly with incoming freshmen.